Erik ten Hag vs Sancho

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Its not an opinion when you claim Ten Hag is one of the only managers to do it, when you were quickly sat down with two examples from Pep.

That would actually be more of a cherry picking of history to make Ten Hag's statements sound abnormal.

What IS unprecedented is a manager allowing a top earner 70m+ signing 3 months break midway through the season, unrelated to injury, just to get his headspace together. And then that player returning and still being an unprofessional cnut.
Sat down? Bit of child'ish thing to say? Anyway, its still an opinion even if someone attempts to respond with something thats an opinion too.
Managers critcise players, but this is unprecedented in my opinion when you consider the context.
Nice use of language to make the point but the irony is, thats exactly why I said its unprecedented, you've also kindly shared the same opinion. You really cant make this forum shit up.
I'll leave it there, got grown up things to do....
 

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Lied? So you are making assumptions that I knew it wasnt true? I think it was unprecedented due to a unique set of circumstances, but again thats my opinion. Not sure why you are intent in proofing me wrong, when theres no 'right'.
If it helps, you win todays forum medal for persistence.
No, I'm not making assumptions. I'm stating outright that you know it wasn't unprecedented. It's been pointed out to you with multiple examples, in this very thread, that it's happened before. You lied, and not for the first time.

I'm done discussing anything with a dishonest person.
 

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No, I'm not making assumptions. I'm stating outright that you know it wasn't unprecedented. It's been pointed out to you with multiple examples, in this very thread, that it's happened before. You lied, and not for the first time.

I'm done discussing anything with a dishonest person.
...wow. The irony, maybe you have more in common with Sancho than you think!!!!!
 

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Sat down? Bit of child'ish thing to say? Anyway, its still an opinion even if someone attempts to respond with something thats an opinion too.
Managers critcise players, but this is unprecedented in my opinion when you consider the context.
Nice use of language to make the point but the irony is, thats exactly why I said its unprecedented, you've also kindly shared the same opinion. You really cant make this forum shit up.
I'll leave it there, got grown up things to do....
It's not an opinion, I'm basing it off facts. The grace ten hag gave to sancho has never been seen (3 month break mid season to set his mentality right).

The open criticism of sancho from ten hag has been seen by other managers with players. In fact if we just expand out of England in Bundasliga, you can find open criticism of sancho from their footballing director. So no, it's not "unprecedented"
 

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Lied? So you are making assumptions that I knew it wasnt true? I think it was unprecedented due to a unique set of circumstances, but again thats my opinion. Not sure why you are intent in proving me wrong, when theres no 'right'.
If it helps, you win todays forum medal for persistence.

Here’s some more harsh criticisms of a footballer by his manager:

“He was not injured, he trained yesterday. I had to go on what I was seeing and, to be honest, it was not good enough,” (after being subbed off after 36 minutes)

“He has a lot to learn, a lot of potential. But for every player who has talent there is no talent without hard work. Hard work is 90 per cent. Talent is 10 percent." (after a poor individual performance in a disappointing result)

'we need players on the pitch who are focused and ready' (explaining why player had been dropped from matchday squad for huge CL fixture at last minute, after turning up late for training)

These are all about the same footballer.

Guess who?!?
 
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It's gone on too long now and it doesn't reflect well on him as a professional footballer. United don't need players like him, manager sacked or not.
 

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It's gone on too long now and it doesn't reflect well on him as a professional footballer. United don't need players like him, manager sacked or not.
I was also thinking, the length Sancho let this go on for shows what a mug he is.
 

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If he was good enough, none of this would’ve happened, imo. He never really played well for us. His being left out of the squad would be nothing - there’s plenty of guys over the years who’ve not done enough to make a match day squad.

Problem was, every time he got left out the press banged on about it like it was some kind of shock and it never was. He’s in the same bracket as Donny but because he cost us twice as much the journos pretended it was news because what they really wanted was exactly what happened - a scandal, more chaos at this once great club. They are happy as could be with this farce.
 

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There was a YouTube video about 4 years ago showing footballers who are in it just for the money, not because they also love playing as well. Ter Stergen was the highest profile, I can recall. Perhaps Sancho is in this bracket. He’s got it made. Getting 375k a week and doesn’t have to do feck all.
 

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It’s baffling to me how many people still defend Sancho, despite him being so obviously in the wrong and behaving so incredibly childish. Especially when those people are United fans, as he has done nothing of note for your club. I kind of get Dortmund fans taking his side. But United fans defending him is really strange.
Same mate. Sancho has done far less in a United shirt than every "failed" transfer that people moan about. I genuinely cannot wrap my mind around it. The only United fans I can see defending him are people who want to use it as a stick to beat the manager with (As if we need this particular one as there are plenty available) because otherwise I cannot see what a United fan would have seen in this waste of space to think that he is what we are missing right now, or that he could be useful in the future after floundering around like a Magikarp under 3 different managers.
 

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Something has to be happening in January, he can't just pick up £300 k per week and sit football out until the summer.
 

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I noticed Shaw and Rashford have both been commenting on Sancho’s recent posts.

By all means wish him luck but why in front of the eyes of the world when he’s had a very public falling out with your manager? At best it’s tone deaf.
 

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I noticed Shaw and Rashford have both been commenting on Sancho’s recent posts.

By all means wish him luck but why in front of the eyes of the world when he’s had a very public falling out with your manager? At best it’s tone deaf.
Those two don’t seem the sharpest knives in the draw that’s for sure.
 

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I noticed Shaw and Rashford have both been commenting on Sancho’s recent posts.

By all means wish him luck but why in front of the eyes of the world when he’s had a very public falling out with your manager? At best it’s tone deaf.
Or they both know exactly what they're doing in the context of the existing culture at United.
 

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Liking a insta post is now a headline worthy story...modern football at its finest!

Stop repeating social media shite it means absolutely nothing.
 

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Ten Hag making it harder to get any kind of fee for him with comments like this
 

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Ten Hag making it harder to get any kind of fee for him with comments like this
Feels like he's just pointing out the obvious. He fecked off to Holland for most of last season! His issues at both City, Dortmund, end even with England, are well known.

If he does well back at Dortmund it won't matter what EtH says. What will really reduce the fee is the fact we so obviously want rid of him, and he seems to want to go.

Even if he plays a blinder for 6 months in Germany we'll be lucky to get £40m for him.
 

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It’s near impossible to sell him for any sort of sensible fee because of his wages (unless he agrees to take a significant cut). Best case has to be that he remembers his love of football, tears it up in Germany and returns determined to succeed in the big leagues. If he can have a decent season in 24-25 for us, even if as a rotation option, we might find someone willing to pay decent monies thereafter.

If we sell him this summer, it feels like a situation where we end up accepting £10-£15m in real terms to subsidise his wages. We are then left still without RW cover and no monies to spend to cover it.