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We currently have four senior holding midfielders, three senior number 10s, and three senior players for LW, RW and striker. Behind them are the youth players Garner, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood

Sure, most would agree that Matic, Mata, Pereira and Lingard isn't good enough, and despite looking better recently, Fred has also been unconvincing.

It's pretty clear that CM and AM should be improved on, but the need is just as big for a new RW and striker. I don't know if Haaland will be the right signing, but if Ole believes that he is, and the other signings that we want is unavailible in January, then I am 100 % behind signing him.
Do we? The only DMs I'm seeing are Fred, who's only just getting his act together, and Matic, who's finished.
 

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If that's true, I'd rather we stay well clear off Haaland. No need for another Lukaku, focus on rebuilding the midfield and get some specialist RW.
Haaland does indeed look like a younger, perhaps more agile version of Lukaku. But we definitely need options up front. We are lacking a natural 9 that wants to get on the end of the crosses we get into the box. Hopefully he is better than Lukaku outside of the box..
 

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But he's a generational talent. Which matters more than logic.
Again, I'm quite sure we were all saying this about Lukaku at the same age. He had very good numbers in the Premier League for relegation sides no less.
 

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Sooo we still have about 12 games to play before January. I think that's enough time to judge Martial's performance as our striker whether all he will need is a back up because he has proven in those 12 games he is capable of leading our front line. Or whether he will need some competition for the no. 9 if he puts in some poor performances.

Basically if Martial plays well and shows he's more than capable of leading our attack then by January we should be looking at getting a back up like a Giroud or Mandzukic. But if he has some poor games and shows he's incapable of leading our front line every week then get Haaland for some competition for the no.9
You think you can base a long term decision like that from 12 games? OK then.
 

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We do need one or two more attackers for sure.

Whether we should sign 19 years old for a huge amount of money, I am not sure if it means we have less fund for other areas.
 

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Again, I'm quite sure we were all saying this about Lukaku at the same age. He had very good numbers in the Premier League for relegation sides no less.
Joao Felix, Ousmane Dembele, Sancho, De Ligt and now Haaland...5 players the Caf has gone overboard about in the last 3 years. We've got form for this kind of rabid over-excitement.
 

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Joao Felix, Ousmane Dembele, Sancho, De Ligt and now Haaland...5 players the Caf has gone overboard about in the last 3 years. We've got form for this kind of rabid over-excitement.
To be fair Joao Felix, Sancho and De Ligt are still top talents of the world.
 

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He will probably end up at Real Madrid. Its all paper talk and linking him with Ole as he played at Molde. Would a foreign kid (I know he was born in Leeds but identifies as Norweigan) who could have his pick of the top teams want to come here and play for a top 6 place, when he could play in the Champions league and have a real chance of winning top trophies? Its all just a dream.
 

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He will probably end up at Real Madrid. Its all paper talk and linking him with Ole as he played at Molde. Would a foreign kid (I know he was born in Leeds but identifies as Norweigan) who could have his pick of the top teams want to come here and play for a top 6 place, when he could play in the Champions league and have a real chance of winning top trophies? Its all just a dream.
English football has a special place in the hearts of Norwegians. I can say nothing about Haaland´s feelings, but I think most Norwegian players have dreams about playing in the PL, and that could be a factor alone.
 

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He will probably end up at Real Madrid. Its all paper talk and linking him with Ole as he played at Molde. Would a foreign kid (I know he was born in Leeds but identifies as Norweigan) who could have his pick of the top teams want to come here and play for a top 6 place, when he could play in the Champions league and have a real chance of winning top trophies? Its all just a dream.
He is 19 and still developing. He will not choose a club where he is not guaranteed playing time. He chose RBS over Juventus who offered 2xsalaries, putting development over gold. He will of course have a more longterm motive for signing here than the current league position. So should we!
If we don’t sign him he will eventuelly end up in one of these 7 clubs though: Barca, RM, Juve, Bayern, Liverpool, City or the further development route to Leipzig (before going to one of the first 6). And he will be banging in goals and assisting where ever he ends up for the next 15 years.
 

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We bought Ronaldo on the back of a friendly, so no reason to scout Haaland as we already know he is similar to Lukaku and his dad will make sure he never plays for us because Keane injured him to the point he had to retire.
 

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We bought Ronaldo on the back of a friendly, so no reason to scout Haaland as we already know he is similar to Lukaku and his dad will make sure he never plays for us because Keane injured him to the point he had to retire.
You need to have your facts checked, cause they are all wrong.
 

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We bought Ronaldo on the back of a friendly, so no reason to scout Haaland as we already know he is similar to Lukaku and his dad will make sure he never plays for us because Keane injured him to the point he had to retire.
:lol: This is so true.
 

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We bought Ronaldo on the back of a friendly, so no reason to scout Haaland as we already know he is similar to Lukaku and his dad will make sure he never plays for us because Keane injured him to the point he had to retire.
This is actually all wrong. OGS said once that he saw some of Lukaku in him when he broke through in Tippeligaen, and now suddenly he is the reincarnation of Rom. He is big, strong and scores a lot of goals as a teenager, thats how far the similarities go. He is faster, has better movement and a lot more energy in his game than Lukaku. He really is his own breed, and is hard to compare to anyone in particular.
I’m not commenting on the Keane thing because either you are trolling or you are just really, really slow.....
 

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I’m not sure why people are so against this on the basis we have Martial.

We’ve already seen this season how sh*te we are if he’s unavailable.
 

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I’m not sure why people are so against this on the basis we have Martial.

We’ve already seen this season how sh*te we are if he’s unavailable.
So if we buy Haaland for £80 million, would we only play him when Martial is injured?
 
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So if we buy Haaland for £80 million, would we only play him when Martial is injured?
Or maybe when Martial is out of form, when Martial needs a rest, when Rashford or James is out and Martial needs to do some wing-duty, when the game needs another type of striker, when Utd need to mix their tactics up and try another formation with two upfront. (And who knows, maybe Haaland turns out to be twice the player of Martial.)
This is so not a problem!
 

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Or maybe when Martial is out of form, when Martial needs a rest, when Rashford or James is out and Martial needs to do some wing-duty, when the game needs another type of striker, when Utd need to mix their tactics up and try another formation with two upfront. (And who knows, maybe Haaland turns out to be twice the player of Martial.)
This is so not a problem!
You don't pay almost a club record fee for a player that is a substitute. I bet that if we buy Haaland, Martial will want to leave and we will have to buy another attacker because of that, on top of the Norwegian.
 

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You don't pay almost a club record fee for a player that is a substitute. I bet that if we buy Haaland, Martial will want to leave and we will have to buy another attacker because of that, on top of the Norwegian.
If Martial is contagious to competition he probably shouldn't be with us.
 

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If Martial is contagious to competition he probably shouldn't be with us.
Martial is at an age where he would want to play almost every game. It's not about competition, it's about his career and it's perfectly understandable. Mourinho fecked around with him far too much, he can't afford not playing due to "competition" in the face of an £80 million signing who would basically have to play straight away because of his price tag.
 
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You don't pay almost a club record fee for a player that is a substitute.
You pay for a huge talent, a sublime goalscorer, that may very well put 20+ goals in the back of our opponents net every season for the next 10-15 years. (I've watched just about every minute he has played since he joined Molde, not one of those who is basing my opinion on youtube clips.)

I bet that if we buy Haaland, Martial will want to leave
If Haaland is good enough to put Martial on the bench, isn't that a good thing? Seems like the comfort of Martial is more important than the quality of the the team for some of you guys. Whats up with his god-like status, he is not that good?
 

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You pay for a huge talent, a sublime goalscorer, that may very well put 20+ goal in the back of our opponents net every season for the next 10-15 years. (I've watched just about every minute he has played since he joined Molde, not one of those who is basing my opinion on youtube clips.)


If Haaland is good enough to put Martial on the bench, isn't that a good thing? Seems like the comfort of Martial is more important than the quality of the the team for some of you guys. Whats up with his god-like status, he is not that good?
First of all, Martial only needs to become more consistent to genuinely be considered world class. Secondly, Martial will not want to be sitting on the bench and we will have to sell him, meaning that we would be short on attackers yet again, so we'd have to buy another player on top of Haaland for the same area of the team.

I'd rather spend £80 million on a top class DM/CM, CAM or RW than a striker anyway.
 

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I have no idea what word you’re trying to use there!
I was thinking allergic :lol: But still, it's a good word, let me have it!

Martial is at an age where he would want to play almost every game. It's not about competition, it's about his career and it's perfectly understandable. Mourinho fecked around with him far too much, he can't afford not playing due to "competition" in the face of an £80 million signing who would basically have to play straight away because of his price tag.
You don't just rock up earning a spot because you're at an age where you want to play every game. Martial for all his worth has still shown form in patches with us. Competition is always vital at Manchester United whether you're a teenager, in your early 20's, in your prime or in your twilight.

Also I'm quite tired of others being scapegoated for him. He's been on and off since he joined and it's not all circumstantial. If he demonstrated a season's worth of consistency in a 9 I'd be happy to back him. But he hasn't. This idea that we should build around him is just hilarious, I'm not sure why you're boning him so much. He's a superb talent that needs consistency. Haaland is a superb talent that is likely ready for the next stage of his career. They may well operate in the same system well together.
 

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First of all, Martial only needs to become more consistent to genuinely be considered world class. Secondly, Martial will not want to be sitting on the bench and we will have to sell him, meaning that we would be short on attackers yet again, so we'd have to buy another player on top of Haaland for the same area of the team.
Erm, no. Let’s not get bogged down in this insane debate but by more consistent you must mean doing one good thing 99% of the time more than he does now.

Absolute nonsense fanboying!
 

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I was thinking allergic :lol: But still, it's a good word, let me have it!



You don't just rock up earning a spot because you're at an age where you want to play every game. Martial for all his worth has still shown form in patches with us. Competition is always vital at Manchester United whether you're a teenager, in your early 20's, in your prime or in your twilight.

Also I'm quite tired of others being scapegoated for him. He's been on and off since he joined and it's not all circumstantial. If he demonstrated a season's worth of consistency in a 9 I'd be happy to back him. But he hasn't. This idea that we should build around him is just hilarious, I'm not sure why you're boning him so much. He's a superb talent that needs consistency. Haaland is a superb talent that is likely ready for the next stage of his career. They may well operate in the same system well together.
I can bet my life on it - they won't work well together because Martial wants to be a number 9. And I know you are notorious Martial basher, not sure why I actually bother to debate this whole situation with you.
 

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I can bet my life on it - they won't work well together because Martial wants to be a number 9. And I know you are notorious Martial basher, not sure why I actually bother to debate this whole situation with you.
I'm a notorious Martial basher? That's a new one.

Literally called him a superb yet inconsistent talent and its bashing :lol:
 

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Erm, no. Let’s not get bogged down in this insane debate but by more consistent you must mean doing one good thing 99% of the time more than he does now.

Absolute nonsense fanboying!
Another Martial basher and Mourinho lover? I'd have to add you to the list.
 
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Martial will not want to be sitting on the bench and we will have to sell him
If Martial ends up on the bench, it's because there is a better striker in the club. Again: how on earth is that a bad thing?

We better get rid of Greenwood, what if i ends up being better than Martial in a couple of years.
 

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If Martial ends up on the bench, it's because there is a better striker in the club. Again: how on earth is that a bad thing?

We better get rid of Greenwood, what if i ends up being better than Martial in a couple of years.
Greenwood didn't cost us £80 million and has no pedigree to demand first team football. Haaland will do just that, why would he sign for us if Ole doesn't promise him guaranteed first 11 position?
Get a grip with that. Martial is fecking miles from World Class at the moment.

Absolute wacko Jacko type fan there.
Better to fanboy over a player of our own than some Norwegian lad that has just had his breakthrough season.
 
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