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I will be using this thread to keep you numpties updated with progress since most there are idiots on here who believe we are not capable of hosting the World Cup in 2010....

First article of interest, let's talk MONEY!

Six firms on board for 2010 sponsorship
July 12 2006 at 04:38PM

By Carol Hills

Pretoria - Six major South African businesses will officially back the 2010 Soccer World Cup in South Africa, the local organising committee announced in Pretoria on Wednesday.

First National Bank has already announced that it will sponsor the soccer extravaganza to the tune of R213-million.

A second company was expected to announce its sponsorship on Thursday, committee chief executive officer Danny Jordaan revealed after a meeting between President Thabo Mbeki and Business Unity SA (Busa) at the Union Buildings.

The construction of stadiums had to be tackled as had transport
He would not disclose the name of the company ahead of its announcement.

Jordaan said the value of the companies' sponsorships would not be the same, with different distributions of cash and in-kind components.

He said Fifa's sponsorship programme consisted of five tiers, the highest being for six global corporations including Coca-Cola, Adidas and Visa. The next tier was for 2010 World Cup sponsors including major multinationals such as McDonalds and Budweiser.

The third tier was for national support and would consist of only South African companies. Small enterprises and the second economy would have an opportunity to participate in the fourth and fifth tiers which concerned licensed products including caps, T-shirts and memorabilia.

"This World Cup must be a World Cup for all of our people," he said.

In Germany, about R21,27-million of the total budget went into the stadiums, but more than R56,72-million went into the fan parks, where people with concessions generated almost ten times the profit of those in the stadiums," said Jordaan.

There were constraints inside the stadiums because of the exclusivity Fifa had to guarantee its major sponsors.

Jordaan said the fundamental argument behind not granting Africa the contest in the past 100 years was that it would not generate the same returns for Fifa as Europe.

One of the reasons it was placed behind Germany in 2000 was the idea that sufficient revenue would be generated in Germany "to protect Fifa against possible losses in South Africa".

However, Fifa had already succeeded in meeting its R21,27-billion budget for 2007 to 2010, incorporating the 2010 World Cup - the highest revenue in the 100-year period, he said.

It had about R21,78-billion in the kitty so far, mainly from major global corporate sponsors and broadcasting deals - and that with broadcasting deals yet to be concluded in Asia, Africa and South America.

Fifa's budget for 2003 to 2007, incorporating the 2006 World Cup, was R12,76-billion.

The issue behind a negative perception of South Africa's ability to hold the event was the "unreasonable" comparison of Germany in 2006 with South Africa in 2006, when it should more appropriately be compared with Germany 2002, he said.

"Do we have challenges? Of course we do," he acknowledged.

The construction of stadiums had to be tackled as had transport.

Jordaan pointed out that even when it came to transport, comparisons had to take into account the huge challenges which had existed in countries like the United States, where enormous distances and time zones had to be covered between stadiums, and the Koreas, where there had been different monetary systems and visa requirements with which to contend.

He had been working with Fifa on South Africa's challenges since 1994, said Jordaan, adding: "... We will deal with all of those challenges.

"Fundamentally, we are still determined to deliver an African World Cup that will be world class. There is no contradiction between being African and being world class," he said.

Also present at Wednesday's Busa working group meeting were Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, Minister in the Presidency Essop Pahad, Trade and Industry Minister Mandisi Mpahlwa, Busa president Patrice Motsepe and its chairman Bobby Godsell.

Other issues addressed were progress on achieving unity in the business sector; Busa activities, particularly its support of small, medium and micro enterprises; broad-based black economic empowerment; the Doha trade negotiations and crime. - Sapa

Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=19&art_id=qw1152712805619S163

In other words WC2010 will see FIFA sponsors providing an astonishing $3billion for WC2010 to be a success. Our government has also put it's full weight behind 2010 so funding on their part will not be a problem...
 

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Ok, matter number 2, Transport infrastructure:

Billions to be spent on 2010 transport

July 10 2006 at 07:42PM

The government has allocated R3,5-billion for public transport infrastructure in preparation for the 2010 Soccer World Cup, SABC news reported on Monday.

It quoted acting Transport Director-General Jerry Makokoane as saying R700-million of the total budget had been set aside for this financial year.

He said R241-million had been allocated to municipalities that would be hosting 2010 World Cup matches.

Makokoane was addressing the Southern African Transport conference in Pretoria.

He said the infrastructure of airports would also be upgraded to ensure efficient and safe transportation for all visitors. - Sapa


Source: iol.co.za

On top of this aournd $1billion is being spent on upgrading our airports as we speak and the transport from the airports. Then their is also the high speed train track being built between Pretoria and Johannesburg where a lot movement is expected. Our national road system is world class as it is and is the best in Africa, period.
 

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I agree that you'll be ready.

I'm not too pleased about what the weather will be like though! It'll be far too hot for any decent football to be played at all.. it be like the world cup just gone all over again, all the matches during the day time were snoozers!
 

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I agree that you'll be ready.

I'm not too pleased about what the weather will be like though! It'll be far too hot for any decent football to be played at all.. it be like the world cup just gone all over again, all the matches during the day time were snoozers!
No it won't be too hot, it will be winter time then. So I guess temps of between 18-27 degrees celcius can be expected.
 

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Ok seems I don't have to go yet...So here's matter number 3, Security & Crime prevention.

Security key to 2010 World Cup in SA
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July 10 2006 at 08:48PM

Security - that's the single most important word from the head of the City of Cape Town's World Cup organising committee, Teral Cullen, as South Africa begins the countdown to the 2010 World Cup.

Speaking to the Cape Argus from Germany this morning after attending the World Cup final in Berlin, Cullen said security and infrastructure were the key to staging a successful
tournament.

The capacity of the SAPS would have to be drastically improved if it was to lead planning and operation of security for the event successfully, she said.

Meanwhile, President Thabo Mbeki boldly declared yesterday that South Africa would "succeed in organising a World Cup to Fifa's satisfaction and for millions of fans across the globe".




'We need to plan how people will move about town'

As the final whistle brought down the curtain in Berlin on a superbly organised event, the eyes of the world turned to South Africa.

Speaking from her hotel in Berlin, Cullen said the Germans had excellent transport and security measures in place to cope with hundreds of thousands of fans arriving in the country for the World Cup .

Large-scale security measures included high-profile visible policing, with officers in vehicles and on foot wherever spectators were present.

"Security is a huge responsibility and cost and the SAPS would have to lead the planning and execution of such levels of security," Cullen said.

Despite strategic road closures and high security, World Cup cities had continued to function normally and daily business had not been interrupted, Cullen said.

"People worked together to achieve success and there has consistently been a great relationship between football and government in the country.

"As far as transport was concerned, it was easy to move around, with both inner-city transport and inter-city services.

"In the cities, people walked a lot and it should be no different in Cape Town, as our city is small and has its own special structure, when you consider the city bowl effect.

"We will therefore have to provide sufficient security for people to be able to do so.

"Of course, there were hold-ups in Germany too. It took us 45 minutes to get from the stadium to a function hosted by the SA Department of Arts and Culture last night at the end of the game.

"We need to plan how people will move about town."

Cullen said as a long-haul destination, South Africa would not expect to get the same volume of spectators as Germany.

"Many people came (to Germany) for a single overnight stay. We will have people staying for longer. According to our bid book, we should expect that between 25 percent and 30 percent of the spectators will be foreign."

Cullen said the city's planned new stadium and the related transport plan had to be completed in parallel and that transport was part of the overall environmental impact assessment.

Mbeki told journalists in Berlin yesterday: "We have absolutely no doubt we will stage a very successful World Cup in 2010. We will succeed in organising a World Cup to Fifa's satisfaction and for millions of fans across the globe.

"It is important for the whole continent of Africa and we are very conscious that we dare not and cannot fail," he said.

"Some people might have already aired their scepticism, but they will see in four years' time that Africans can do this. They will see that Africa can discharge its responsibilities the same as every other continent.

Mbeki was in Berlin both to watch the World Cup final and to witness the signing of a deal between Fifa and the European Commission to use the 2010 World Cup as a vehicle to promote African development.

Fifa president Sepp Blatter said he expected a "wonderful World Cup" in 2010.

"Not only does Fifa trust the African organisers - more than that, the market trusts Africa," said Blatter, who suggested the next edition of soccer's biggest tournament would generate more money than any before it.

"Of course, the 2010 World Cup will not be the same as this one, but the World Cup in South Korea and Japan had its own character too," he said.

"It will be a World Cup played to the sound of African drums and all of Africa will be supporting it."

Source: iol.co.za

And they've started flushing out criminals already...

Weekend crime blitz nets 500 arrests

July 16 2006 at 12:32PM

A total of 505 people were arrested in a weekend crime prevention operation on the East Rand, police said on Sunday.

Superintendent Andy Pieke said the arrests were for offences including rape, assault and housebreaking.

"Others were nabbed for being in possession of drugs, possession of unlicensed firearms, driving under the influence of alcohol, shoplifting and for being in possession of stolen goods." Police also seized 14 unlicensed firearms.

He said the operation was conducted in Germiston, Springs, Katlehong, Boksburg and Brakpan.

"Ninety-two of those arrested were illegal immigrants and they will first have to be processed by home affairs officials to determine whether they should be sent to the Lindela repatriation centre," Pieke said.

He said those arrested were expected to appear in court on Monday and Tuesday. - Sapa
 

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Moving on, matter #4, the stadiums:

Germans to design three of SA's 2010 stadiums

July 17 2006 at 11:48AM

Berlin - A Berlin firm said on Monday they have been awarded contracts to design three of the stadiums for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

Gerkan Marg and Partner said they will design the stadiums in Cape Town, Durban and Port Elizabeth.

The ground in Durban will be the biggest of the three with 85 000 seats.

"We plan to work with local architects on all three stadiums," the director of the company, Volkwin Marg, told Die Welt newspaper.

The company was responsible for the renovation of Berlin's Olympic Stadium, where the final of the 2006 World Cup was played on July 9.

In 2010, the tournament will be played in 10 stadiums in nine South African cities. It will be the first time the tournament will be held in Africa.

The final will be played in the Soccer City stadium outside Johannesburg.

Source: iol.co.za
 

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Ronaldo07 said:
I'll make sure to pack my scarf and coat
Yeah, make sure u bring it to Cape Town if you come, Cape Town has a wet Mediteranean climate in winter so it gets cold and wet in the heart of winter.
 

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How many pitches are currently up to standard needed? (As in 40,000+ capacity and in top condition)
Sorry didn't see this post, will give you a reply in a mo...
 

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Currently we have Newlands Stadium (not on the official list though), Loftus, Greenpoint Stadium, Kings Park and Soccer City which can host up to 70 000 and will be the venue for the final.

Let's not forget that in both the 2002 and 2006 World Cups the stadia were only completed months before the tournament started. When all the new stadia are complete all the venues will be able to host more than 55000.
 

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The worrying thing about SA is crime - nothing concrete is being said on how crime will be tackled and controlled before 2010. It's not only increasing the policing - the SA government will need to tackle the issue from it's grassroots which involves lot of different social issues..
 

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This is from the report of the Technical investigating commitee of Fifa about the stadia in SA:

STADIUMS
In the opinion of the Inspection Group, if the 2010 FIFA World Cup were to start on the date of submission of this report [30 April 2004], three stadiums in South Africa would easily be suitable for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

They are: Cape Town (Newlands), Johannesburg (Ellis Park) and Durban (King's Park Soccer Stadium), which have been venues for world events such as the Rugby World Cup.

Furthermore, five stadiums would have to undergo partial refurbishment to qualify as 2010 FIFA World Cup venues. They are: Bloemfontein (Free Park Stadium), Pretoria (Loftus Versfeld), Rustenburg (Royal Bafokeng Sports Palace), Orkney (Oppenheimer Stadium) and Johannesburg (Soccer City).

Additionally, during the visit, the Inspection Group received information that a final choice is expected to be made from among the following stadiums if the 2010 FIFA World Cup is granted to South Africa: Kimberley (Kimberley Stadium), Nelspruit (Mbombela Stadium), Pretoria (Rainbow Junction), Port Elizabeth (Port Elizabeth Stadium) and Polokwane (Peter Mokaba Stadium).

The latter already has a building, but because of the importance of the 2010 FIFA World Cup, the Inspection Group believes that it would be better to build an entirely new stadium.

The Inspection Group considers that this important investment will be a legacy for future generations in South Africa and will help to continue developing football, plus other sports in the country, due to the fact that they have already a very strong sporting culture.

TRAINING FACILITIES
Since South Africa has a very strong sports culture, many sports centres and stadiums are available (facilities for soccer, cricket, rugby, athletics, etc).

Most of the training facilities are smaller stadiums, technical schools or university centres, and the group does not expect problems for teams in this respect.

The bid programme for upgrading the training grounds is a main part of the strategy to leave a lasting legacy, as the training facilities will have a positive impact on local clubs and communities after the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Most of the pitches must be improved, especially the quality of the grass, as well as some dressing rooms, but there is no doubt whatsoever that almost all basic infrastructure is available and can be easily upgraded to World Cup standards.
 

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Stretch said:
Currently we have Newlands Stadium (not on the official list though), Loftus, Greenpoint Stadium, Kings Park and Soccer City which can host up to 70 000 and will be the venue for the final.

Let's not forget that in both the 2002 and 2006 World Cups the stadia were only completed months before the tournament started. When all the new stadia are complete all the venues will be able to host more than 55000.
That seems impressive. With the amount of cash being pumped into the World Cup I reckon the host nation can definetely pull it off.
 

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The worrying thing about SA is crime - nothing concrete is being said on how crime will be tackled and controlled before 2010. It's not only increasing the policing - the SA government will need to tackle the issue from it's grassroots which involves lot of different social issues..
I agree that crime is a problem but I must say as a victim of crime in this country, I am more than happy with the commitment government and the police have shown. For the next six months police raids are expected to round up a list of over 3000 criminals wanted for violent crimes. This has already started as I pointed out in my previous post, post number 9.

Furthermore, government is changing the whole policing system. This is being done in partnership with the NYPD which had similar restructering with staggering results. This is also part of the 6 month flush out.

Also, crime on tourists have decreased rapidly over last few years as both government and police have tightened security in areas where tourist are expected to move. So, in actual fact the crime problem really does not touch tourists that much and with increased security around those areas there really won't be that much of a problem. As an example of this refer to the other World Class events we have hosted like the cricket WC where crime really wasn't a problem.

All I can say, government and the South African policing authorities are making all the right noises.
 

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It'll be too hot. We could do with some clouds for the english. a weather machine should do the trick. maybe you could let them know
 

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I have family with a villa in Cape Town, overlooking the waterfront and Robben Island.

I'm sure they'll put me up again :D
 

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I've heard they've had problem getting sites for the stadia in South Africa due to the campaigns by local communities to block the planning permission for some reason. Is this true Stretch?
 

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I've heard they've had problem getting sites for the stadia in South Africa due to the campaigns by local communities to block the planning permission for some reason. Is this true Stretch?
There is some thruth but not that much. The situation pertains to Cape Town's stadium. An environmental impact study had to be conducted on all the available sites. This document will be published later this week and then left for scrutiny from the public for a month. After that the local government in conjuction with the LOC and FIFA will then select the appropriate site. It looks like the old Greenpoint Stadium will be scrapped and the new one will be built there. I must say that Greenpoint is the perfect location.
 

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Soccer City?

Oh please, change the name to Football City, for the love of God!
:lol:

Actually it's not funny, since the reason for the term soccer has to do with our past. The apartheid outkasted football since it was played by black folk. They used the 'derogatory' term soccer and also 'afrikaanised' the word. Football was seen as rugby which was the premier white sport. Since then it stuck and it is a reality in SA that we refer to footy as soccer.
 

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SmashedHombre said:
It'll be too hot. We could do with some clouds for the english. a weather machine should do the trick. maybe you could let them know
Again, the World Cup takes place during June/July which is winter time in the Southern Hemisphere. As long as Gland play/have home base in Cape Town they will feel at home. Plus temperatures won't go above 25 much.
 

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I work with a South African and he thinks the government will have a very big problem to gurantee security to hundreds of thousands who will show up for the cup. making the right noises is one thing....
I disagree again. I reiterate what said earlier, even if crime is still a huge problem at that time, it won't affect the tourist any worse than if it had been anywhere else in the world. Reason being that from past world class events, like the cricket world cup, tourists were unaffected since they don't go townships and all the dodgy parts of town where they will prey to criminals. The inner city is actually much safer than the suburbs since their is 24/7 security (besides the police) and camera monitoring. You can actually walk late at night in Cape Town CBD with nothing happening to you, that has been a visible improvement that everyone has seen.

But let's wait and see, there is no point in just saying we can't fix the problem, we have to try and that's where the government and police get full marks...they really are trying.
 

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Stretch said:
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Actually it's not funny, since the reason for the term soccer has to do with our past. The apartheid outkasted football since it was played by black folk. They used the 'derogatory' term soccer and also 'afrikaanised' the word. Football was seen as rugby which was the premier white sport. Since then it stuck and it is a reality in SA that we refer to footy as soccer.
Interesting. That would explain why the SA commentators in the recent pre-season friendly kept using that term, much to my consternation.
 

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I disagree again. I reiterate what said earlier, even if crime is still a huge problem at that time, it won't affect the tourist any worse than if it had been anywhere else in the world. Reason being that from past world class events, like the cricket world cup, tourists were unaffected since they don't go townships and all the dodgy parts of town where they will prey to criminals. The inner city is actually much safer than the suburbs since their is 24/7 security (besides the police) and camera monitoring. You can actually walk late at night in Cape Town CBD with nothing happening to you, that has been a visible improvement that everyone has seen.

But let's wait and see, there is no point in just saying we can't fix the problem, we have to try and that's where the government and police get full marks...they really are trying.
hope you are right...it will be great for football if the World Cup is held in the African continent.
 

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So many problems in South Africa that need to be fixed yet they decide to throw money and resources at a World Cup.

How much does the government expect in profits from tourism, merchandising, etc.?

Will the profits offset the expenses to upgrade/build new stadia, roads, hire additional police and train them, etc.?

Or is South Africa staring at a revenue loss?
 

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So many problems in South Africa that need to be fixed yet they decide to throw money and resources at a World Cup.

How much does the government expect in profits from tourism, merchandising, etc.?

Will the profits offset the expenses to upgrade/build new stadia, roads, hire additional police and train them, etc.?

Or is South Africa staring at a revenue loss?
How many problems do we have extra? Name me them? The only one that springs to mind is crime and that can be contained. All the other so called 'problems' are standard World Cup issues. Building the new stadia will alone create 3500 direct and indirect jobs. All the new stadia are going to be equipped to host other events. This will also enable to country to put a city up for Olympics and other future World events.

I mean, why do people have so many questions about South Africa when Fifa's technical assesment committe already found us competent when we bidded for the 2006 World Cup.

How can hiring additional police be bad for the country? Its fantastic news not just for crime fighting but also to create jobs which in turn alleviates poverty. There are so many positive spin-offs in this for South Africa, anyone who fails to see this just has a problem with a so-called third world country form Africa hosting the World Cup.
 

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South Africa host the world cup....

Who'd have thought it eh.

Imagine the first time they get a "free kick".


It took the feckers 30 years to "free mandela".

:D :D
 

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South Africa host the world cup....

Who'd have thought it eh.

Imagine the first time they get a "free kick".


It took the feckers 30 years to "free mandela".

:D :D
Go eat a dick! :D