Frank Lampard | Burnley?

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I think Frank will grow in the job, small expectations for a few years. Toward the end of his time at Chelsea he was starting to understand his defensive short comings and brought in Anthony Barry. Tuchel immediately recognized Barry’s defensive work and kept him at Chelsea.
If this is true, Frank already knows he needs someone strong to coach defense.

 

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Does he need set-piece specialist with strong Chelsea ties?
 

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Could see him going for VDB now or in the summer. They have no attacking midfielders and he loves a 4-3-3 and he's not un-Mount like in being a 10 whose best quality is his movement off the ball.
 

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Yeah fair point. I thought dropping down to the championship would have been a better direction for him. Finding a stable club there willing to have him wouldn't have been too difficult. But a huge PL club in disarray? Tough situation to walk into.
Eh, he just has to keep them up this year and they are 4 points and a game in hand up on Newcastle and 3 up and 2 in hand on Norwich. Then they have to buy a #8, get Doucoure healthy and he can get them playing his 4-3-3, finish 12th next year and be praised for it.
 

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Does he need set-piece specialist with strong Chelsea ties?
Barry’s role grew beyond set pieces with Lampard and Tuchel. I would say that Lampard knows exactly how Barry would approach the defense.
 

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Barry’s role grew beyond set pieces with Lampard and Tuchel. I would say that Lampard knows exactly how Barry would approach the defense.
Somehow I don't think this is what he was getting at.
 

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Can't post media, but that Venn diagram doing the rounds a couple of months ago is basically a prophecy.

They have all the Premier League teams in a variation of the categories:
  • Frank Lampard thinks he is too good for (e.g. Norwich, Watford)
  • Too good for Frank Lampard (e.g. Man City, Liverpool)
  • Too sensible to hire Frank Lampard (e.g. Leeds, Brentford)

The only two not fitting into at least one of the circles was Everton and Newcastle.
 

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Can't post media, but that Venn diagram doing the rounds a couple of months ago is basically a prophecy.

They have all the Premier League teams in a variation of the categories:
  • Frank Lampard thinks he is too good for (e.g. Norwich, Watford)
  • Too good for Frank Lampard (e.g. Man City, Liverpool)
  • Too sensible to hire Frank Lampard (e.g. Leeds, Brentford)

The only two not fitting into at least one of the circles was Everton and Newcastle.
Just googled it :D

What I particularly love is that Arsenal and Spurs are in the intersection of the first and second categories
 

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Was wondering how much responsibility, if any, does Frank bear for Derby's current difficulties. Only there for a year & almost got them up, but was his signings (or even reliance on CFC loaners) a cause of them possibly going tits up. Most of the problems are due to Mel Morris, but was Frank's star burnished with fool's gold?
 

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Was wondering how much responsibility, if any, does Frank bear for Derby's current difficulties. Only there for a year & almost got them up, but was his signings (or even reliance on CFC loaners) a cause of them possibly going tits up. Most of the problems are due to Mel Morris, but was Frank's star burnished with fool's gold?
I don't think you can hold a manager responsible if the finances of the club are bad. A manager should get a budget he can use for his players and than that's it. If the budget isn't sustainable it is the fault of the CEO/CFO in my eyes.
 

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Was wondering how much responsibility, if any, does Frank bear for Derby's current difficulties. Only there for a year & almost got them up, but was his signings (or even reliance on CFC loaners) a cause of them possibly going tits up. Most of the problems are due to Mel Morris, but was Frank's star burnished with fool's gold?
None at all is surely the answer.

I think the manager's job is big enough without them having to act as financial director too.
 

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Was wondering how much responsibility, if any, does Frank bear for Derby's current difficulties. Only there for a year & almost got them up, but was his signings (or even reliance on CFC loaners) a cause of them possibly going tits up. Most of the problems are due to Mel Morris, but was Frank's star burnished with fool's gold?
They made an overall profit in the transfer market over the two transfer windows that Lampard was boss.

Also Chelsea paid Derby £4 million in compensation to take Lampard away.
 

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He was ok at Chelsea but benching Rudiger was criminal. His in game
management was absolutely horrendous and made some absolutely bizarre substitutions.

I hope he learned from the experience though and does well. A player I found very hard to be critical of. A club legend.
 

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Can't post media, but that Venn diagram doing the rounds a couple of months ago is basically a prophecy.

They have all the Premier League teams in a variation of the categories:
  • Frank Lampard thinks he is too good for (e.g. Norwich, Watford)
  • Too good for Frank Lampard (e.g. Man City, Liverpool)
  • Too sensible to hire Frank Lampard (e.g. Leeds, Brentford)

The only two not fitting into at least one of the circles was Everton and Newcastle.
Lampard actually interviewed for the Norwich job. I know it's just a Venn diagram that someone random created but I don't think it's true to say he thinks he's too good for that club.
 

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Frank Lampard is too good for Norwich. A horrible club.

Anyone is too good for Norwich except Dean Smith.
 

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He was ok at Chelsea but benching Rudiger was criminal. His in game
management was absolutely horrendous and made some absolutely bizarre substitutions.

I hope he learned from the experience though and does well. A player I found very hard to be critical of. A club legend.
Chelsea’s underlying metrics, both on defensive and offense were pretty good in his first season. Better than this season. He made some mistakes but he was kind of a rookie manager learning on the job. As you say, hopefully he's learned from that experience.

One thing I don't want to hear from him though, is 'I learnt a lot about them today' after a loss. Find another cliche to throw at journalists :lol:
 

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Chelsea’s underlying metrics, both on defensive and offense were pretty good in his first season. Better than this season. He made some mistakes but he was kind of a rookie manager learning on the job. As you say, hopefully he's learned from that experience.

One thing I don't want to hear from him though, is 'I learnt a lot about them today' after a loss. Find another cliche to throw at journalists :lol:
I think it's okay to say that and actually I demand a manager to learn from losses. But he needs to back that up by doing the right changes. He lacked that at Chelsea and that's why it sounded just like a cliche there I guess.
 

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I think it's okay to say that and actually I demand a manager to learn from losses. But he needs to back that up by doing the right changes. He lacked that at Chelsea and that's why it sounded just like a cliche there I guess.
It just sounded silly, empty words, towards the end when we were losing a lot and he kept saying the same things.
 

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Lampard actually interviewed for the Norwich job. I know it's just a Venn diagram that someone random created but I don't think it's true to say he thinks he's too good for that club.
As you say, it is more of an amusing image than supposed to be some sort of accurate documentation, but (via The Athletic): "It is unclear how impressed either party was with the other’s sales pitch but, regardless, having agreed to think things over before speaking again, Lampard took himself out of the running the following day before Norwich had determined to whom they would offer the job."
 

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Regardless whether the general football fan thinks its a good appointment or not, I think people are forgetting that there's still an interview process to go through. Lampard may not be the most glamorous, not the most popular decision, however, he's obviously sold himself pretty well during the interview and has a vision in place.

Now, whether or not that vision goes to plan or not is another thing, but lets be honest, there weren't really a whole host of experienced or top class managers in the run in anyway. Actually, Benitez had those aforementioned attributes and we all know how that ended.

God knows how Lampard will get on, but I get the feeling, as with us, that its much deeper than the manager.

Everton need a rebuild in structure!

P.S. Im glad Rooney didn't go in for it because he knows that the club is a mess at the moment.
 

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As you say, it is more of an amusing image than supposed to be some sort of accurate documentation, but (via The Athletic): "It is unclear how impressed either party was with the other’s sales pitch but, regardless, having agreed to think things over before speaking again, Lampard took himself out of the running the following day before Norwich had determined to whom they would offer the job."
Yeah its clear Lampard took himself out of the running after being interviewed. That part isn't in dispute.
 

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Lampard talks a good game, is a smart guy and certainly doesn't lack self confidence. Be interesting to see if he's learned from his experience at Chelsea in regards to man management.

Falling out with Alonso, Rudiger and others was a major cause of his downfall and needs to take a more diplomatic approach sometimes when dealing with players I think to improve as a manager. Banishing players, immediately shipping them out or making them the scapegoat doesn't work well for the team generally.
 

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I think Frank will grow in the job, small expectations for a few years. Toward the end of his time at Chelsea he was starting to understand his defensive short comings and brought in Anthony Barry. Tuchel immediately recognized Barry’s defensive work and kept him at Chelsea.
If this is true, Frank already knows he needs someone strong to coach defense.

Unless he's homesick (he's Scouse) or having a role bigger than what he's got here it literally makes no sense for him to go.

Lampard talks a good game, is a smart guy and certainly doesn't lack self confidence. Be interesting to see if he's learned from his experience at Chelsea in regards to man management.

Falling out with Alonso, Rudiger and others was a major cause of his downfall and needs to take a more diplomatic approach sometimes when dealing with players I think to improve as a manager. Banishing players, immediately shipping them out or making them the scapegoat doesn't work well for the team generally.
The strangest thing was come the end he was failing with the three things I thought was a safe bet (man management, youth and good football).
 

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I'm not sure Frank is the right man for Everton at all now, BUT - and it has to be said - this is an absolutely gorgeous picture of him

 

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Pretty conclusive proof that there is a spot for Ole in a Premier League team if he wants to go back to managing.

Good luck to Fit Frank.
 

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Pretty conclusive proof that there is a spot for Ole in a Premier League team if he wants to go back to managing.

Good luck to Fit Frank.
Nope.

Frank is rated higher than Ole in the country.

Plus Lampard has far better PR and image as a coach due to the legendary English player he was.


If you ask a Bottom Table team's fans they'll turn Ole down instantly. Even Arteta has a better image as a coach than Ole.

Probably unfair but it is what it is. All are actually managers of a similar level.