Herrera was a better creative passer and more dangerous around the box, while Fred is a better 'controller' in the middle of the park.
Not a chance, and Herrera wasn't sold. He left on a free after refusing to sign the contract that we offered.
The measure of a good deal in your mind is based entirely on the sell-on price ?
I disagree. Sorry, yeah Herrera left on a free, but the point still stands, the club didn’t see him as good enough to offer more to keep, so he left, and he ended up as a bench option for psg.
No thats not what I'm saying at all. Regarding Fred: We've had him for 2.5 yrs and he's now 27 yrs old. I'm saying if we were to sell him now we wouldn't get anywhere near the price we gave for the player. That's my opinion and yes it's subjective. Albeit he's valued on Transfermarkt at 20m euros (not saying thats spot on, although one wonders why they would underestimate his value). Whatever, the estimated drop in value is based upon his performances since he joined us. (His contribution to the Leipzig game got us out of the competion ffs). Yes players depreciate in value owing to their age or how far they have come in their contract. However in Fred's case he's 27 which means he's got a good 3yrs at least before he enters a downhill curve and yet we'd be lucky to get over 20m for him. That is how I would value the player and I don't believe that to be a good deal!
He wasnt good last time out anyway against Fulham. Last good midfield performance was Matic and Pogba Vs. Burnley and the match before that against Watford that Fred also missed.
No way that second goal goes in if Fred is on the pitch. Its was lovely of our players mind you to wait around and ensure that the bottom team had as many chances as needed to put it in the net.
Thats a crazy take. Fred doesn't track back into our box very often at all.
Usual anti-Fred from you. At least you are consistent....
Ah I see then. I guess it must be just some crazy coincidence that Fred has missed the games against Crystal Palace, Spurs, Istanbul, RB Leipzig and Sheffield United.
Oh the games where Fernandes carried us? You like Fred, you're attributing things he doesnt do to him because of your agenda
Unlucky but good guess all the same. Fernandez didnt carry us in those games as we actually lost them.
Why are you bothering? The dude you’re arguing will never concede a point, under any circumstances, no matter how stupid it makes him look. He’s the redcafe Donald Trump of doubling down.
I agree. Both Fred and Mctominay are hugely underrated in helping us function as a team in the premier league. The midfield was way too lethargic today.
Another year another stupid post from Pogue. If you ever had the capacity to read posts instead of creating phantom arguments that people never said, it would be obvious that I concede a lot. Example - Mata being the better signing from Valencia than Silva. Of course theres no point providing you with actual information because you'll just pretend I said something I didnt say then argue against it
He sets about winning it much further up the pitch. It makes a huge difference turning it over like that. It gets the ball to our forwards in good positions before the defense is fully set. We do miss him.
I agree, it would obviously have helped in pressing in midfield. Not tracking back into the box
Another game with no Fred, another game we look so shit. It‘s just not coincidence anymore. We are turning Brighton, RB Leipzig away & Sheffield United home & away to look like playing against Pep’s Man City
Interesting. No harm in being rested but I didnt realise he only started 4 of the last 6. I suspect he will start against Arsenal on Sayurday.
2 of the last 6. Been on the bench and subbed on at times, which means there's no reason he can't play other than resting him. Seems Ole took the gamble to have him fresh or decided he needs to be fair and give Matic and McTominay the same amount of game time.
Apologies yes meant to say 2 not 4.
He had missed a few games but he played 2 weeks ago vs Burnley. His last game before that was 2 weeks earlier against Wolves, so he's not played much I suppose. 2 in the last 5 or 3 in the last 9 games.
In certain situations. He usually plays quite well in big games and gets due credit for this — it’s just that he doesn’t have the skills to be influential while we’re in possession. I think he’s a great squad player exactly for the above mentioned situations, but he shouldn’t be a starter for a team that aspires to win big titles.
I think because most of us expect more from our 47M midfielder than “kept the ball moving and helped us to keep possession.” That’s fine for a academy rotation player like McTominay but even he has more strings in his bow.
Indeed, he did. He makes the sort of passes you might expect from Telles rather than Shaw, but with the technique of a midfielder.
I'm starting to see that. I think I'll just go to bed. Crap day all round.