I also don't get why people believe what the media says about our budget? Blows my mind....
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Give us the Jong, or suffer the Jongsequences!
I hope we sign De Jong, I've heard he's mustard
So basically United (and Ten Hag who isn't an innocent party in this because De Jong is his boy and he's pushing for him) are happy to let this transfer run until the end of August to try to get a few quid knocked off 
And Risk derailing the start of the season when we could get Neves tomorrow and have him on the tour to settle in which is only a few weeks away now.
i think some here criminally underrate Neves by the way.. Prem Proven midfield who loves a tackle and can hit a pass.
I think De JONg is the biggest risk + he's more expensive. He's very slight and looks like he will get bullied off the ball Like Donny.
if the club do get Ten Hag De Jong it's on the gaffer if he fails as If the club hired Poch no way they would be going balls-deep in for De Jong as the club would know they had no chance without Ten Hag so probably would've already got Neves + Bissouma.. De Jong is a Ten Hag exclusive.
Most big clubs would set a deadline by now.
And Risk derailing the start of the season when we could get Neves tomorrow and have him on the tour to settle in which is only a few weeks away now.i think some here criminally underrate Neves by the way.. Prem Proven midfield who loves a tackle and can hit a pass.
I think De JONg is the biggest risk + he's more expensive. He's very slight and looks like he will get bullied off the ball Like Donny.
if the club do get Ten Hag De Jong it's on the gaffer if he fails as If the club hired Poch no way they would be going balls-deep in for De Jong as the club would know they had no chance without Ten Hag so probably would've already got Neves + Bissouma.. De Jong is a Ten Hag exclusive.
Most big clubs would set a deadline by now.
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So using my advantage math i predict it to be €5m tomorrow .
Just watch this turn into a zeno problem !
It's amazing how people predict future transfers based on one transfer where we couldn't negotiate fee down but ignore all the transfers where we completed the signing in good time and for good fee.
This is besides the point completely but isn’t it fecking weird to release an athletic article at 5 in the morning
Sounds like it will be done in the next week or two. It’s not an issue as the players are not due to train until first week of July.
There were reports earlier this year saying ETH wants his signing in place for pre-season, so let’s see what comes of it.
The way some people are moaning you’d think it was August with us signing no one.
There were reports earlier this year saying ETH wants his signing in place for pre-season, so let’s see what comes of it.
The way some people are moaning you’d think it was August with us signing no one.
Problem is, United have lost 6 first teamers. Henderson is off too. Van de beek is the only loan returnee who’ll likely stay and get first team opportunities. So United are going to need to sign 5-7 players this summer and seem only capable of negotiating one deal at a time.
Really good chat if anyone interested with Ian Irving, Whitwell, Mitten and Carl anka.
Our squad was always bloated, even with our last round of purging the deadwood. The players leaving do account for a fair few minutes that needs replacing, so I am in agreement we need to see some signing and promotions from youth, however those need to be targeted and scouted players that will play how our manager wants. There’s little benefit to just signing players to make up the numbers. I would prefer to see a youth player get a chance than spending £X millions on a known name player that doesn’t fit with our expected style of football.
I don’t agree with the sentiment that we can only negotiate for a target at a time. From the respected journalists (the few there are) it sounds like we’re in for FDJ, Antony, Eriksen, Timber and Ebiowei. I’m sure ETH has also listed backups to his main targets, so should we miss out on them then we’d then negotiate for them. Plus I’m sure there are players we’re in for that the media hasn’t picked up on.
De Jong on August 31st > Any other available midfielder today
What do you get out of writing pure fantasy with the most negative spin possible?So basically United (and Ten Hag who isn't an innocent party in this because De Jong is his boy and he's pushing for him) are happy to let this transfer run until the end of August to try to get a few quid knocked off
i think some here criminally underrate Neves by the way.. Prem Proven midfield who loves a tackle and can hit a pass.
I think De JONg is the biggest risk + he's more expensive. He's very slight and looks like he will get bullied off the ball Like Donny.
if the club do get Ten Hag De Jong it's on the gaffer if he fails as If the club hired Poch no way they would be going balls-deep in for De Jong as the club would know they had no chance without Ten Hag so probably would've already got Neves + Bissouma.. De Jong is a Ten Hag exclusive.
Most big clubs would set a deadline by now.
You've clearly also never watched de Jong play if you think he gets bullied off the ball.
Two questions
1. Which performance since his Barca move did you ever witness that suggests he is an elite midfielder worth anywhere near the money that's been quoted? Rather than pretty mediocre and very overhyped?
2. Have you ever considered why Barca are so eager to get rid of him? Yes, they need to save the money - but to invest it in players that they deem worth it, quality-wise..
1. Which performance since his Barca move did you ever witness that suggests he is an elite midfielder worth anywhere near the money that's been quoted? Rather than pretty mediocre and very overhyped?
2. Have you ever considered why Barca are so eager to get rid of him? Yes, they need to save the money - but to invest it in players that they deem worth it, quality-wise..
This is scaremongering at its finest.
A lot of the first framers leaving barely saw any action anyway in an already bloated squad. We do not need to replace them all man for man.
We lost what now?
You're counting Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Cavani and Matić all as first team players?
Don't even know who the no 6 is...
And no, almost any of them wasnt a first team player.
I think they just want a different player instead of retraining him. Bernardo is way more suited to roaming and attacking between the lines. I don't think FDJ's quality is the issue but rather the type of player he is. Combine that with good academy players coming through the ranks and his salary and it makes him a prime candidate to be sold.
Caf United fans: We need to stop signing overpriced cast offs from other big clubs for big money on daft salaries this summer, and start focusing on just getting in the right players who actually really want to play for the club.
Also Caf United fans: inject De Jong straight into my veins.
Well 10-15 guaranteed could still be 20 total.
It's a situation of our own creation. We've now only left with McT and Fred as senior midfielders in the squad!
This is my position as well. The likes of Barcelona don’t sell their best players. He’s coming off the back of poor form and once again we are being lead down the road of overpaying for a player. Will be on huge wages as well so if it’s a disaster signing getting rid will be impossible. The club hasn’t learnt a thing.
Good analysis. Fingers crossed we sign him.
1. Haven’t watched him regularly enough to pinpoint performances. But I can tell you this much - he will be absolutely miles better off than any midfielder we currently have. Also, this type of player is critical for the manager to implement his philosophy and Ten Hag would know how to get the best out of him
2. Barcelona have Pedri, Gavi, Busquets and God knows how many other talented midfielders. So they can afford to lose him to raise some cash, ease the wage bill and focus on other areas of the squad that need strengthening.
Sure, 80 M euros might be overpriced. But those sums are dictated by the market. I mean Liverpool just paid 75-100 Mn for Darwin freaking Nunez - a player who hardly anyone had heard of the year before last.
I just hope this is over soon. Whether he comes or not It's just getting annoying. The same news every day.
Getting nearer, Getting nearer. Wish we would just move on to other signings.
Getting nearer, Getting nearer. Wish we would just move on to other signings.
His perfomances for his national team really, where they know how to play him.
Ten Hag will unlock him in a way Barca can't/won't.
You asked a cheeky question. TBH, I don't recall myself seeing FdJ really have elite performance for Barcelona. However, FdJ always looks elite individual for me.
For example:
This is nowhere near the best of FdJ like in Netherland shirt., but you can see he has no problem against other elite midfielders.
The issue with FdJ and Barcelona set up with a declined Busquet is that they don't get the best out of FdJ while at the same time create an issue where players step each other's foot in one situation while lacking cover for each other in another situation.
Even in their humiliating defeat to PSG at home in CL in 20-21, FdJ was not bad individually. He just couldn't influence the team and the game because the unsuitable system. It's just he played the game different to Barcelona set up, and Barcelona set up was brainless due to nepotism.
The situation is similar to Robben and Snejder time with Real Madrid. They're elite individuals. Played well for Netherland NT, but RM was not built around them, so they and the team could never be at their best.
So Barcelona gets rid of him because they need the money, and to reallocate his wage. They just have their own vision which they're not willing to bend to suit FdJ.
Who are you asking?
I honestly have never watched FDJ consciously, not even on Youtube, so can't comment on the first one, but your second question is worth consideration.
I've heard he's not been played in his right position, however, he seems keen to stay regardless, while they're really keen to push him out.
You'd think for one so good, they'd try harder accommodate him even with their money problems and get rid elsewhere.
In previous cases where we've wondered why big European clubs weren't fighting harder to keep their players, things haven't typically gone great. Add that to the fact that his wages are eye-watering, and if he doesn't take a salary cut, we're basically inheriting a perfect example of the bad management that put Barca were they are.
The biggest point in that article is we're haggling over €10-15 Million. When shareholders are getting £11 Million in dividends on June 24th.
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10-15m is not that big gap
The boy is the closest thing to Modrić as can be.
We can't let this one go.
Nor will we.
We can't let this one go.
Nor will we.
But it's also enough to fund another player we need.
Think what he means is that there will be an agreement eventually, no need to fret.
Never in doubt.. ETH knows what he wants and needs.. Frenkie is worth whatever part of the budget we have and he’ll make up for a lot of our incompetence just by holding onto possession and keeping the starting 11 in an organized formation while he’s on the pitch.. ETH knows that
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