I like how he is standing up to the corporate crap barca is pulling. But Its world cup year freddie, and you need to be playing regularly but not as a centerback. Come over, let's talk son.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Xavi and Barcelona are taking the piss out of Frenkie to the point of embarrassing him right now
If you believe the Barcelona fans in this thread, they don’t own him the 17m because it’s meant to be paid over the remaining period of his contract.
Surely if that’s the case, any club that wants to cover the 17m can just say it’s a signing bonus to bypass FIFA/UEFA law?
Yeah, I think they are in a weak position and they’re trying to make his staying there as unpalatable as possible so he will take a lower pay off to get away. If they eventually make a reasonable offer (who knows, 50% of what he agreed to “defer”?) that might be enough.
I don’t know any of the contract terms or understand the legal implications but it doesn’t sound like law suits or arbitration would apply unless he stays at Barca and they then refuse to pay him what his new (current) contract promises, possibly arguing that he should have agreed to move (either morally or having received a “fair” offer to settle, or whatever). I wouldn’t rule out any level of depravity on their part.
Not for 22.5 million a year. They are embarrassing themselves.
They have no leverage against him other than benching him or playing him out of position.
I thought we all accepted that was the case.
The wages while morally owed maybe aren't legally owed if a new contract was drawn up. Therefore the only way he can get the money is to stay and honour the contract. But they don't want him to stay and get the wages due.
But from their perspective if he is adamant he wants the money then they may as well keep him.
It's a dicey standoff.
Both of these statements are technically true, to be fair. He signed a renegotiated contract, which meant that his salary increases significantly this season in exchange for being much reduced for the last two. And any club could in theory:
a) increase the bid by 17M to keep UEFA happy - but Barca would still just try to keep the marked-up price and pay FDJ nothing, or
b) pay the 17M directly to FDJ themselves - but why should they when it's to cover his deferred salary playing for Barca.
It's like that scene in Blackadder when Edmund owes the church £1,000 and Percy tells him to pay the "trifling amount" which Blackadder obviously doesn't have. £17M isn't a small amount of cash, why should United or any other club pay that deferred salary (especially as a down payment) when Barca are as keen as anyone for the transfer to go through?
Would be hilarious if he ends up staying and fecks Barcelona where they’ve so many signings but can’t field a single one of them in their league.
Which is why we should have enforced a deadline and told Barcelona to feck off if the deal wasn’t settled.
Even they aren’t stupid enough to say no to 75m for 17m.
Maybe it's the Muppet in me reading too much into it but his body language seems so dejected - especially in some parts right after he passes the ball off.
I have seen a few other videos of him on YouTube from previous barca seasobs and he seems very proactive and energetic but I don't know if it's becuase he's playing CB and trying to stay disciplined..
Can't wait for this saga to end, hopefully with him being a United player..
When we sold Sanchez it was reported that we had to give him a payoff of between £5m and £10m to account for the wages he would lose out on over the remainder of his contract on by moving to Inter.
Seems like a similar situation to me except Barca don't want to pay anything.
The main difference is the reason behind the ridiculous salary we gave Sanchez (Woodward) vs a 'deferral' signed in good faith that De Jong would see out the contract.
(and De Jong would rather stay)
Seems like a similar situation to me except Barca don't want to pay anything.
The main difference is the reason behind the ridiculous salary we gave Sanchez (Woodward) vs a 'deferral' signed in good faith that De Jong would see out the contract.
(and De Jong would rather stay)
We know why he isn’t saying publically he will leave, because it will likely cost him millions of euros personally.
We know categorically he will not be a dud because we can review his time at Ajax under the same manager we have now, and can see he was an exceptional player which is why Barca forked out £85m for him in the first place.
As for the end of your post, if you can’t see that this deal is every bit the same level as those players you mention then I can’t explain enough to help you out.
And those signings are extremely important to their intended success, as their annual projected budgets are based on league and CL success.
The players they brought in are very good and improved them loads, which is necessary because they have to compete in the league and in Europe to reach their projected financial forecasts which are tied to financial fair play.
Not sure if it's quite that simple. At this stage it seems as though De Jong is not viewed by Barcelona as being worth the quite extortionate wages that they will have to pay him if he decides to stay. In paying him the 17 million they'd avoid paying him potentially up to 90 million across the years remaining on his contact, and also obviously rake in whatever fee (reportedly around 85 million in total) that either United or another interested party are offering for his services.
I don't think Barca will necessarily look at his sale as being pointless if they have to pay him the 17 million for him to go; they'd be foregoing quite a bit more than that if they decide to keep him.
Are you sure it's not the music track skewing your impression?
Yeah, that's why FdJ (& others) will eventually be out. Imagine spending $100m on Lewa & Raphinha, plus Kessie on a free and not being able to play them, while still paying their salary. Rumors are only Christensen has been able to be registered. Not sure the 'levers' could help in registering the any of the above 3, let alone Kounde. Gotta wonder how much Barca has to pay any outgoings for any deferred wages. You would think agents probably are working that angle. A bit insane Barca committed to signing new players before getting rid of those that need to leave.
I honestly often forget he even played for us.
Yeah, of course it's not that simple, but it's a variation of that. Or this post, which is basically the same.
Wouldn't be surprised if that is it tooAre you sure it's not the music track skewing your impression?
- the video felt like a downerSo excited, we are really approaching 1000 pages here soon.
So there is no end in sight for this, eh? If, as it looks, we are willing to wait until the end of the window to get this done, doesn't that screw up our chances of getting an alternative if it simply doesn't work out?
ETH is basically FDJ or no - one. There aren't any alternatives.
Pretty sure he said if he can't find the right player for the role, he'll develop one
And then what?
Go into the season with an even weaker CM? Or signed... who? Even then, if there is someone to sign, we'd already have very visibly made them second choice and they may have been less than enthusiastic.
Marching into negotiations and laying down ultimatums like you've got the biggest one in the room only works if you've got a viable backup plan.
Let's develop a Kimmich as well while we're at it
True, because you inevitably get told where to go, and have your bluff called.
That's feckin terrifying. So same midfield as last season, minus Pogba and Matic and with Eriksen added. That is simply not good enough. Maybe Garner can come through and be a beast for us, but that's unlikely.
Yeah, not buying that one. The players we have at the minute are just not good enough to be developed in that role with the possible exception of Garner. But Garner to FDJ is a hell of a gap.
And this is our issue - what's the backup? Surely there has to be one? FDJ or no one is scary. I shudder to think of MCFred lining up again next season, especially against City or Liverpool.
Maybe it's FdJ or no one because ten Hag knows that de Jong is going to sign when the issues are sorted?
There has to be some reason as to why he's reluctant to buy anyone else?
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Quite random that
I hope that's it. Otherwise we'll be looking like mugs at the end of the window.
Interesting that he's used pictures with the colour red in them...
Wonder if he will change his profile pic to a sad face. Way too smiley there
Posting a picture with him and Kroos in it. Clearly a message that he wants to play in midfield. Done deal.
Last pictures of him as a midfielder before he becomes Pique's replacement in defence
I understood the current situation differently. I don't know the numbers exactly but it will be enough to bring the point across.
FDJ sat on a wage package of 60 million for 5 years. 10 million per year plus a stepped loyality bonus, 1 million after the first year, 2 after the second, 3 after the third, 4 after the fourth
(10+1)+(10+2)+(10+3)+(10+4)+10=60
As the virus hit he agreed to change his contract in a way, that his wage package stayed the same in total but the payments were structured differently. For example like this:
(6+1)+(6+2)+(13+3)+(13+3)+13=60
So if there are no other clauses involved in FDJ contract, and he would be transfered in his third year, than he would "lose" out the increased earnings of the fourth and fifth year.
I know the numbers aren't correct, but that is how I understood the situation, which would also be an explanation of why Barca seems intent not to pay him the defered wages, as they are simply not due. The player could sit out his contract to receive the full wage package. But if he wants to go out early, he misses the benefits.
One point seems pretty clear, he seems pretty badly advised legally and economically, if that is the case.
Apparently we’ve already entertained that approach but been told it’s not possible from a legal perspective. No idea if true.
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