Gio/Theon VS Enigma - NT peak Draft - Final

Who would win based solely on their peak performances in the chosen tournaments?


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Who would win based solely on their peak performances in the chosen tournaments?

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Into the second half and time for Dragan Dzajic to stretch his legs down the left wing. His credentials are exceptional:

Player of the tournament lighting up an otherwise fairly drab and defensive Euros. Dzajic was in rampant form, clocking up 3 goals and 3 assists out of 8 goals Yugoslavia scored against France, England and Italy for Euro '68. Those defences boasted some top class personnel - he ghosted in behind Bobby Moore and lobbed Gordon Banks to knock out the world champions - and Dzajic combined both productivity and the dazzling dribbling we fame him for in unlocking them. Top scorer in 1968 and again in the team of the tournament in 1976, this time giving Berti Vogts the runaround, Dzajic has a strong case for producing the best tournament performances of any left-sided attacker.


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PLAYER PROFILES

PETER SCHMEICHEL, EURO 1992

Regarded as the most influential goalkeeping performance of all time, Schmeichel dragged a workmanlike Danish side to success in the unlikeliest of circumstances. Having dispatched France and England in the group stages, he became increasingly unbeatable as the tournament wore on, producing two man-mountain displays against holders Holland in the semi-finals and world champions Germany in the final.

MATTHIAS SAMMER, EURO 1996
In what was perhaps the greatest libero tournament display of all, Sammer was Germany's best defender, midfielder and attacker all rolled into one package at Euro '96. Sammer's organisation saw Germany keep three clean sheets to stroll what had been coined the 'group of death' as a stacked Italy squad tumbled out of the tournament. The libero stepped up another gear in the quarter finals, almost single-handedly dismantling a brilliant Croatia side, winning the penalty for the opener then scoring the winner - both goals coming after trademark bursts forward to cut open the opposition like a hot knife through butter. His performances saw him fend off peak Ronaldo to earn the 1996 Ballon D'Or later that year.

FABIO CANNAVARO, WORLD CUP 2006
The Berlin Wall drove Italy to the title with an impeccable series of flawless performances throughout the tournament. The highlight was a man-mountain display in the famous semi-final to overcome hosts Germany. But Cannavaro's overall tournament portfolio is arguably unmatched in its defensive prowess. Joins Sammer as one of only three defenders to win the Ballon D'Or.

LILLIAN THURAM, WORLD CUP 1998
Thuram was the highest rated player at the 1998 World Cup and the standout for a dominant and defensively bulletproof French outfit. A key tactical feature of Aime Jacquet's side was the overload of the midfield with an extra defender. All four of the defensive line including Thuram took turns at creating that midfield dominance and, in turn, spent the majority of the game, when on the ball, forming a tight back three. Thuram was exceptional at both - defensively rock solid and swashbuckling when moving forward - generating the type of influential performances that made him the highest rated defender in the 1998 Ballon D'Or.

ROBERTO CARLOS, WORLD CUP 2002
Twice in the team of the tournament, it is the 2002 version which is on show here. That Roberto Carlos played in a 3-5-2, liberated to own the flank in the same way he did every week alongside Zidane for Real Madrid. Called El Hombre Bala - the bullet man - in Spain for his searing pace, tree-trunk thighs and cannonball shot.

JAVIER ZANETTI, COPA AMERICA 2004
Argentina's most capped player started off his international career scoring the best set-piece goal of the 1998 World Cup in a rollercoaster match against England. His best international tournament though was the 2004 Copa America where his endless stamina, power and poise dominated his right flank in every game, gaining high praise:
Left on the bench for a World Cup qualifier in June and many assumed he was finished. Emphatically proved the contrary with a series of storming displays down the right flank.
BASTIAN SCHWEINSTEIGER, WORLD CUP 2010
The man who made it a personal crusade to win the World Cup as ultimately shown by his man-of-the-match efforts in the 2014 final. Went very close in 2010 where he dictated games with aplomp, using his brilliant passing range, physicality and positional discipline to give Germany a solid platform to go forward. Special mention to his second-round performance in making mincemeat out of Maradona's wayward Argentina while marking Messi out of the game. An obvious choice for team of the tournament with 3 assists to his name.

LOTHAR MATTHAUS, WORLD CUP 1990
In what was surely the most influential central midfield performance of any World Cup, Matthaus was in dominant form in 1990 scoring 4 goals from the heart of midfield (the 3rd top scorer in the competition). The apex was the 4-1 demolition of pre-tournament dark horses Yugoslavia, as the box-to-box dynamo netted two bristling goals from outside the area. A step ahead of the game throughout as he not only won all those little battles that are the bread-and-butter fare of the proper central midfielder, but also made repeated match-winning impacts.

DIEGO MARADONA, WORLD CUP 1986
The stats barely tell the story, impressive as they are - 5 goals, 5 assists, providing 10 out of 13 Argentina scored, 27 chances created, fouled 53 times (smashing his own record of 36 from '82). It is the evidence of your eyes that show that this was the very pinnacle of footballing greatness. From the way he slalomed around any defender who didn't manage to scythe him down, to the way he mastered the ball almost as an extension of his left foot, as it bobbled up to his shins on the Aztec potato field, it was football like nobody has ever seen before or since.

JOHAN CRUYFF, WORLD CUP 1974
In 1974 Cruyff reached heights that had arguably never been seen before in a major tournament. He was the turbocharged driving force behind the unforgettable Dutch side, buzzing around the full breadth of the attack, cutting open and thrusting through the channels with a level of unprecedented intensity and penetration. Little wonder he created a whopping 36 chances in the summer of 1974 - by some distance the most anyone has provided in the World Cup - a greater contribution than even Maradona in 1986 and Xavi in 2010.

RONALDO, WORLD CUP 1998
Golden Ball winner thanks to a number of electric displays from the Brazilian at the peak of his powers. Scored 5 goals in 1998 on his way to 15 World Cup goals, he created countless chances for himself and was the very definition of a one-man attack who tore a generation of great defenders to bits.


WHY WE WILL WIN:
  • Impeccable tournament defence marshalled by Matthias Sammer, Fabio Cannavaro, Lillian Thuram and Peter Schmeichel, each of whom have a strong case to have delivered the greatest tournament performance in their respective positions - Matthias Sammer was voted the best player of the tournament in '96, Cannavaro the second best player in '06 (missing out to his teammate Zidane) and Thuram the third best player in '98 (missing out to his teammate Ronaldo). In contrast none of the opposition defenders were one of the top three players in their respective tournaments - All told we look to have the slightly better tournament defence which is well suited to matching the strength of Enigma in attack.

  • Better balance in midfield. Schweinsteiger has excellent credentials at the business end of World Cups and has twice put the brakes on Messi. He is the perfect foil for Lothar Matthaus who could be the match-winner today. If Matthaus has to square up to Didi in a box-to-box role, I think he can contain him off the ball, then leave him for dead when he surges forward.

  • Maradona was a one-man army in 1986 reaching the greatest heights of any player in tournament football. Here he is in his element in a 3-5-2 with pace and physicality out wide, sheer graft and German discipline behind, with two busy play-stretchers in front on the same technical level who will open up oceans of space for him.

  • Incredible attack illuminated by some sensational tournament showings from Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff and Ronaldo. Only Maradona betters Cruyff's tournament in 1974 when the Dutchman created a World Cup record number of chances in '74 and in a prime Ronaldo there isn't a better man to finish those chances off.

  • In particular the synergy between Cruyff and Ronaldo will be off the charts. Ronaldo, like Muller on the other side, has plundered the goals at the World Cup (15 and 14 respectively), but it would be fair to say that Ronaldo brings an extra dimension of dribbling and power - as well as previous experience in getting the better of Maldini - to the table. Crucially, it looks like the strongest attack on the park with Maradona and Cruyff boasting superior peak World Cups than their opposition equivalents


Team Enigma

Formation: 5-3-2 / 3-5-2
Style: Quick direct tempo

Players:

GK: Ulbaldo Fillol WC 1978 - quite possibly the best South American keeper had a blinder in the WC in 1978. He decided the game against Poland, saving a penalty by Kazimierz Deyna, and helping Argentina to win the first World Cup with a superb performance in the final against Holland. Fillol was voted the best goalkeeper of the 1978 World Cup, conceding only 4 goals in 7 games against the likes of Brazil, Netherlands, Italy, France, Peru, boasting with incredible attacking threats in their ranks.

LWB: Giacinto Facchetti EURO 1968 - Strong, tall, elegant and imposing defender in his playing days, he rarely seemed to lose his cool. Revolutionized the full back position playing 634 official games and scoring 75 goals. He played for the Internazionale team remembered as La Grande Inter. Facchetti is remembered as one of the first truly great attacking-full backs. He would make marauding runs upfield using his wonderful dribbling and crossing. He also possessed wonderful stamina and scored important goals. EURO 1968 winner in a team that conceded only 4 goals in 9 games and scored 20.

RWB: Manuel Amoros WC 1986 - Best right back in Mexico and voted team of the tournament he provided solid performances against the likes of Brazil, France, the Soviet Union, etc in a team that conceded just 2 goals up until the SF's against West Germany. He provided defensive solidity and had a amazing performance against Brazil in the QF's, where he ripped them apart going forward.

LCB: Paolo Maldini WC 1994- Many remember the incredible performance Baresi put against Romario in the final, but it was grande Paolo who put a pretty uninspiring(apart from Baggio) Italian side through the finals. Baresi was injured in the group stage, and Maldini put excellent performances both as a LB and CB bossing the defence and putting masterful performances in a patched up defence most of the time. He was voted in the team of the tournament and later 3rd in Ballon D'or on the back of that WC.

Libero: Bobby Moore WC 1966 - probably the highest peak of a defender in a WC tournament at the biggest stage with some of the GOATS on the other side of the pitch. Sir Geoff Hurst said he was his hero, Sir Alf Ramsey claims he was the best he ever worked with and that England would never have won the World Cup without him. Franz Beckenbauer, an opponent in that 1966 final, called him "the best defender in the history of the game" and Pele agreed. There were the last-ditch tackles - perfectly timed, of course - and the instinctive sense for danger that led Jock Stein to quip that "there should be a law against him as he knows what's happening 20 minutes before everyone else". And the final performance was truly spectacular:

RCB: Elías Figueroa - Don Elías was elected best defender in the 1974 WC and in the team of the tournament after a majestic display against the best team (and striker) in the tournament along with the Dutch side. He nullified an in form Gerd Muller and produced a 10/10 performance that is rare to be seen up against one of the best forwards in history. After all games Figueroa took part in that WC he received a standing ovation by the German fans - a testimony of how he performed and how high was rated during those games. An absolute colossus in the box he won every challenge in the area, marshaled the Chile defence, attacked the first ball and was usually a one man defence.


CM: Franz Beckenbauer - Known as being a stylish captain as a player, an inspirational leader as a manager and a statesmanlike figure as an administrator. Best described by some old time greats(Eusebio and Sir Bobby):

“He could play in either position (defence or midfield). [ . . . ] He had versatility, suppleness, read the game very well, knew how to play, and could get forward and score goals too.” — Eusebio

“Franz was a marvelous distributor of the ball, a great tackler, he always had control of a situation and he never panicked. [ . . . ] (He was) extremely cool and never looked like (he was) at full stretch. Such a hard player to play against.” — Sir Bobby Charlton

“The most important thing he had was a fantastic vision.” — Sir Bobby Charlton

Playmaker: Didi WC 1958: Golden ball winner, team of the tournament and the star of the tournament. In 6 games he scored 1 goal, and provided 6 assists. Key Performance: Brazil 5 - 2 France (Semi Final) 1 Goal, 2 Assists
One of the very best midfielders ever in the top of his game.

AM: Pelé WC 1970: Strong contender of the best individual performance at international stage ever, Pele was at his best at the time - more mature, more well rounded and was the cornerstone behind one of the greatest teams in history. He played as an AM most of the time timing his runs in the box, scoring important goals, setting up team mates, getting stuck in and also dribbling his way through opponents left, right and centre. He was literally everywhere.

SS: Eusébio WC 1966 - considered one of the greatest goalscorers ever, the black panter lit up the WC in 1966. Hard to imagine a more decisive player than him who turned the game against North Korea practically on his own with Portugal having their back to the wall and being 3-0 down. Eusebio's nine goals in England propelled Portugal to a third-place finish, and a succession of opposing teams simply had no answer to the power and pace of his play. It took the great Bobby Moore, Nobby Stiles and Jack Charlton to handle him in the SF's to effectively stop the whole Portugal team going forward, yet he still found the net from peno late in the game.

CF: Gerd Muller WC 1970 - Der Bomber won the Ballon D'or the same year on the back of that WC performance, and what a performance it was. A strong contender for the very best individual performances in an international tournament. Muller netted the Golden Shoe for his ten strikes and he also provided three assists ensuring he makes the record books once again for the best ever individual contribution by a player in a single finals since 1966. Trailing Morocco in the first game it took an equaliser from Uwe Seeler and a late winner from Muller to secure the two points. Muller's winner was trademark bomber stuff as he nodded in from barely a yard out after the ball rebounded off the crossbar.

The Nationalmannschaft were rolling with Muller in particular in sparkling form. A hat-trick including a bullet header for his third was the highlight in the next match against Bulgaria while he added another hat-trick in West Germany's final group game against Peru. All in the space of 20 minutes!

Muller's second hat-trick of the tournament proved he wasn't just a poacher as he scored a goal with both feet and added a dipping header for his third. Seven goals already and that was just the group stage.

Thoughts on the game:
Defence
: In defence we have Maldini at his absolute peak who alternated between LB and CB in 1994 - one of the most complete defenders of all time, paired with Figueroa - fast, strong as an ox and absolute colossus in the air. Moore will be sweeping behind in a sweeper role and push up in possession like he did in 1966. Amoros and Facchetti will man their flanks, supply width for the attackers, go on marauding runs and stretch the opponents. The 5-3-2 transforming into 3-5-2 plays to the strengths to all of my defenders and boosts their ability both in defence and attack, as it liberates Facchetti/Amoros when going forward, being covered by Maldini and Figueroa and plays to Moore strengths with two physical top defenders besides him flanked by all time great Facchetti and one of the best right full backs in Amoros. Moore, Figueroa and Maldini form a monumental defensive unit protected by quite possibly the best defensive player of all time in der Kaiser. This allows Amoros and Facchetti to roam forward and provide the width in attack and sets the stage for their natural game to go in full force.

Midfield: In the center of the park we have a midfield general in Beckenbauer who with his energy fits like a glove Didi and sets the stage for him and Pele to do their thing. Pele will be in his 1970 incarnation, helping out the midfield, looking for openings dribbling his way through opponents and scoring goals himself. What sets our midfield apart is Didi who is one of the greatest deeper playmakers in the game, which makes the transition in all lines very fluid and not overlapping with two advanced playmakers in the team, which most of the great #10's SS's are. Matthaus obviously is not a mug in terms of distribution but Didi is more natural in his zone and his playmaking game in a central playmaking role.

Atttack: In an all time draft is always hard to bring balance to the attack as most players in the later stages are pretty dominant figures and have overlapping roles. I think our big advantage in that sense is that we have a much more balanced attack with the best pure finisher in history in Muller, whose movement will keep Gio's defence on the back foot and honest, Eusebio in a free attacking role from 1966 all over the attack and target the space between Gio's full backs when they venture forward and Schweinsteiger who is not the best fit for him when he drops deep. We have complimentary players with the Brazillian flair and ability on the ball in Didi/Pele, whose vision can unlock any defence. Complimented by will, pace, work rate and determination of Eusebio and German coolness and finishing ability by Muller, provided by excellent flanks in Facchetti and Amoros and the always threatening Beckenbauer surging forward on occasion.

Why we would win:
In an all time draft final the teams are always close with quality and GOAT's all over the park. We would most likely field generally the same formation and roles in a 3-5-2/5-3-2 so the individual quality and balance in the respective teams would provide the difference in this encounter.

I think we have a slight advantage in every line and a much more balanced attack, without dominant central figures like Cruyff/Maradona stepping on their toes and having only runners with the ball who like to drop deep - practically the whole Gio attack does that - Ronaldo/Maradona/Cruyff.

In defence: we have similar units, however as good as Sammer, Thuram and Cannavaro were in their respective tournaments, we have the same amazing performance from Figueroa, Maldini and Moore - all in their absolute peaks. The difference here IMO is the pure quality in our defensive trio. While Sammer/Thuram/Cannavaro are no mugs and one of the best defenders in the game. Maldini, Moore and Figueroa have the bigger ceiling individually as being the highest echelon in defensive individuality, whilst being a lot complimentary as a unit - Figueroa with his pure strength, impeccable marking and ability in the air. Moore bossing the defence, reading the game and intercepting. Maldini who obviously loved playing alongside Baresi/Moore type of defenders which his pace, tackling and general all round defensive nous and qualities.

Midfield: Protecting the back four we have arguably the best defensive player and leader in the game in Beckenbauer who will be up against Gio's best player in Maradona. A younger version in 66' managed to neutralize Sir Booby in the zone, and here he is the more mature, rock solid defensively version of 1970. Obviously a colossal tussle, there's nobody IMO more capable of coming against peak Maradona and a better fit then der Kaiser himself. On the other side obviously Matthaus and Schweini had a great tournaments, but Schweini vs Pele would work in our favor. Schweinsteiger is not the Davids/Tigana type of midfielder who will hassle constantly Pele and hound him all over the park. That was Khedira whils Schweinsteiger played more positional role. Pele in the zone would be too much to handle especially at this stage.

Attack: I think here lies the big difference between the two teams - when both teams go forward. Gio's attack is based on excellent individuals, who were also focal points to their teams and in the case of Cruyff and Maradona - the main playmakers of their teams. Our attack is much more balanced without a dominant advanced playmaker in Pele who links the defence and attack along with Eusebio - runner with the ball who dropped deep and could exploit all the gaps left by Gio's defenders and Muller who would keep their defence pegged back. Gio's attack is a lot different in that sense - it has Ronaldo who loved to run with the ball and drop deep, Maradona/Cruyff practically the same and even worse both of them being much more dominant figures and main advanced playmakers of their respective teams. It's not only clash of personalities, but also clashes of styles and zones, not releasing the ball quickly and also even more troubled by Matthaus and his forays of 1990 where he alternated between playing as a #8 and #10 in some games(and part of the games).
 
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Awesome names but I'm really not sure about Cruyff and Maradona together. IMO Maradona was more dominant than Zidane so I can see issues with Cruyff not in regards positioning but who runs the game.

I still have reservations about Pele's position but thinking about it with less of an issue than I thought last game. I do like though Eusebio and Muller as a front two - that could cause many problems indeed.

Undecided.
 
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Awesome names but I'm really not sure about Cruyff and Maradona together. IMO Maradona was more dominant than Zidane so I can see issues with Cruyff not in regards positioning but who runs the game.

I still have reservations about Pele's position but thinking about it with Matthaus in his '90 role it's less off an issue than I thought last game. I do like though Eusebio and Muller as a front two - that could cause many problems indeed.

Undecided.

Yeah, I was quite surprised by Gio/Theon picking him up in the last reinforcement round.

Going by Gio quotes from last game in the semis he himself addressed the issue of having two dominant figures like Maradona and Cruyff. Also Ronaldo who is a forward who liked to drop deep and run with the ball there are just too many players in the attack doing essentially the same thing and wanting the ball every time the team goes forward.

The Maradona/Cruyff conundrum:

Obviously in a star studded team is always a question sometimes of too many cooks, dominant figures and the likes. Sometimes it might work sometimes it might not. Having said that it's hard to find a more dominant figures than Di Stefano, Maradona, Cruyff and Platini in the game, especially in their respective tournament peaks.

While Zidane/Cruyff IMO is a better fit - sacrificing parts of each other game to make it work and share somehow the playmaking responsibility, Cruyff/Maradona is whole another issue altogther.

A bit more insight from Gio himself from previous rounds:

Gio said:
As for Maradona being a selfish dribbler, it's more the case he was a selfless and economical dribbler who created countless opportunities for team-mates. He typically wasn't the end of the move, but the creator setting up the striker. I get your point if it's about how dominant he was and you'd struggle to combine two massively dominant central personalities like Maradona and Cruyff for instance in the same team. But Puskas is completely proven at dovetailing with a dominating 10 of that ilk.

It would be interesting to see how such a dominating figure as Maradona in 1986 would connect with another direct ball-hogging type in Eusebio. Both of their tournaments were distinguished by their singular directness with the ball, forever running at opposition defences. What worked in both of their favours was that they were the single player in both teams who carried the ball. I think Maradona would really prefer someone who releases the ball quicker and doesn't go off on long solo runs (as good as they often were). There is potential for quite a lot of clashing as they both operate in the same area of the park off Van Basten and, fundamentally, I don't think they really maximise each other's qualities.
In Gio's team there are 3 players of that ilk who loved to drop deep and run with the ball - Ronaldo, Maradona and Cruyff.

The problem with Eusebio is that he doesn't necessarily get the best out of Maradona, because he likes to pick up the ball in some of the same positions and likes to go on long slaloming runs, while Maradona is impatiently waiting for the return ball.
same could be said about Ronaldo and Cruyff.
 
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I also disagree with the notion that G/T have the better defence - for one it should be the other way around. I think Moore, Maldini and Figueroa - who also were the stars of the tournament - Maldini nominated top three for the Ballon D'or in 1994, Moore is arguably the greatest defensive performance as a captain and Figueroa facing the greatest pure finisher in Muller and awarded best defender of the tournament and nullifying him in 1974. They also faced forwards like Romario, Eusebio, Muller, Stoichkov, etc - the very elite tier in terms of attacking talent in all time pool.
 

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Our attack is much more balanced without a dominant advanced playmaker in Pele who links the defence and attack along with Eusebio - runner with the ball who dropped deep and could exploit all the gaps left by Gio's defenders and Muller who would keep their defence pegged back. Gio's attack is a lot different in that sense - it has Ronaldo who loved to run with the ball and drop deep, Maradona/Cruyff practically the same and even worse both of them being much more dominant figures and main advanced playmakers of their respective teams. It's not only clash of personalities, but also clashes of styles and zones, not releasing the ball quickly and also even more troubled by Matthaus and his forays of 1990 where he alternated between playing as a #8 and #10 in some games(and part of the games).
This is where I'm not sold on the idea of superior balance. Enigma has Beckenbauer and Didi jostling for the same playmaking duties, with Pele not far in front looking to take command, and then Eusebio dropping off into the same area trying to get on the ball for a long run. It's quite clustered and, for all the individual quality, is marked by a fair bit of duplication.
 

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This is where I'm not sold on the idea of superior balance. Enigma has Beckenbauer and Didi jostling for the same playmaking duties, with Pele not far in front looking to take command, and then Eusebio dropping off into the same area trying to get on the ball for a long run. It's quite clustered and, for all the individual quality, is marked by a fair bit of duplication.
I disagree there. The team has one focal point in terms of playmaking in the middle of the park (not advanced playmaker) and that's Didi. Beckenbauer is not a dominant playmaker of any sorts nor he can't play with another playmaker in the team - it's exactly the opposite as he was often paired with Overath in midfield two. Beckenbauer won't try to take the playmaking duties off Didi. What he brings is impeccable defensive nous to counter your best player in Maradona.

There's absolutely no duplication of the roles - Beckenbauer of 1970 is the defensive solid midfielder paired next to the main playmaker (Overath) Didi. Pele is not a dominant playmaker of any sorts - he played alongside 4 other 10's and won't get in the way but his role is of an AM as the most advanced ahead of Didi/Beckenbauer (he had a similar setup centrally with Clodoaldo and Gerson- the main playmaker - behind him). Eusebio is the runner with the slaloming runs, stretching the defence, looking for holes between Zanetti/Carlos/Schweinsteiger, while Muller is the best finisher on the pitch. I'd say their roles are pretty evenly distributed and they don't overlap at all.
 

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It would be interesting to see how such a dominating figure as Maradona in 1986 would connect with another direct ball-hogging type in Eusebio. Both of their tournaments were distinguished by their singular directness with the ball, forever running at opposition defences. What worked in both of their favours was that they were the single player in both teams who carried the ball. I think Maradona would really prefer someone who releases the ball quicker and doesn't go off on long solo runs (as good as they often were). There is potential for quite a lot of clashing as they both operate in the same area of the park off Van Basten and, fundamentally, I don't think they really maximise each other's qualities.
That's the beauty about Cruyff and where Eusebio and Cruyff obviously differ.

Cruyff can give and go, it's all about short and sharp stuff and his use of the ball is very economical. Eusebio's whole tournament was characterised by those long slaloming runs with the ball. Cruyff was capable of those and occasionally as in the final would go for one, but fundmenatally he never held on to the ball for a second longer than he needed to. His tactical nous and appreciation of the needs of the team are second to none. There's no reason why he couldn't form part of devastating attack here.
 

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That's the beauty about Cruyff and where Eusebio and Cruyff obviously differ.

Cruyff can give and go, it's all about short and sharp stuff and his use of the ball is very economical. Eusebio's whole tournament was characterised by those long slaloming runs with the ball. Cruyff was capable of those and occasionally as in the final would go for one, but fundmenatally he never held on to the ball for a second longer than he needed to. His tactical nous and appreciation of the needs of the team are second to none. There's no reason why he couldn't form part of devastating attack here.

The big difference is(both are team players of course) that Eusebio was never the dominant playmaker or figure in terms of all the game directed and flowing through him. He was the best attacker and focal point in attack, being Portugal's best player, but he wasn't the same figure like Cruyff in the team. Cruyff was the centerpiece in the total football side. You have two advanced playmakers in Cruyff/Maradona who are by far the biggest dominating figures in the game (along with Di Stefano and Platini). It required Van Hanegem to tune up his game and play more restricted role in 1974 to make it work.

Cruyff was characterized with long slaloming runs and he did it all over the pitch - especially the one in the final against West Germany. Zidane is less mobile/less agile compared to Maradona and is different type than both so they compliment a lot better (Zidane/Cruyff). Maradona as you said yourself is practically the same player Cruyff was in their respective tournament peaks - given the full freedom to roam all over the pitch. Get the ball from deep whenever possible and go on a run and create chances for their team mates.

Cruyff even dropped back to defence on occasion to take the ball directly off the defender.

It's a different kettle of fish altogether IMO.

They are obviously star names, but the star names doesn't guarantee you success as the Galacticos project has shown and as other numerous failures in combining the best individuals rather than the best team.

That's why I wouldn't have picked Maradona as it effectively would have shot down Didi's game and clash with Pele resulting to fielding a lesser version of him. I also had the chance to pick Platini who would be a very big name in this context but again would mean sacrificing the whole attacking balance.
 

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A great piece for Muller from the Guardian, and why he's considered the best goalscorer in the game and the man for the biggest occasion:


Who are the best big-game goalscorers in football history?
After analysing 1,931 goals scored by 1,071 footballers across 63 years, sportswriter Liam Corbett has compiled a list of the 50 players whose goals changed the course of the sport's history

Gerd Müller picks up a few more points on his way to topping the list of big-game goalscorers. Photograph: Staff/AFP/Getty Images
Whose goals have most changed the course of football history? Lionel Messi scored 91 goals in 2012 to beat Gerd Müller's record of 85 in a calendar year set back in 1972. Messi seems to break records every time he plays. Putting five goals past Bayer Leverkusen in last season's Champions League was a remarkable achievement but, for all his heroics, Messi still lags some way behind Müller when it comes to changing games on the grandest stages.

Sportswriter Liam Corbett of the Average Opposition blog has analysed all the goals scored in the world's biggest competitions since 1950 – that's 1,931 goals by 1,071 different scorers in 63 years – and complied a list of football's top 50 big-game goalscorers. This exercise is about the goals that have shaped matches at the very pinnacle of the sport. And Gerd Müller has scored more that anyone.

Müller scored 68 goals in 62 internationals for Germany and another 398 in his 453 appearances for Bayern Munich. The numbers are staggering, but his consistency is even more impressive. He was no flat-track bully. Müller scored in the finals and semi-finals of the World Cup, European Championship and European Cup. His last goal for Germany was the winner in the 1974 World Cup final, played in his club's stadium in Munich.

He's the clear winner on a list that throws up a few intriguing insights. Bobby Charlton is the highest placed English player, with Geoff Hurst also making the top 50 thanks to three goals scored on the same afternoon. Nine Brazilians make the list, while Argentina has seven representatives.

Diego Forlán, the best performer at the last World Cup and Uruguay's top scorer and cap-holder, is the only man in the top 20 still playing. Messi has plenty of time to rise up the list, but he's currently sitting in 39th, just below Jari Litmanen.

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Points

World Cup final 5
European Championship final 4
Copa America final 4
World Cup semi-final 4
World Cup final group stages 3.5
European Cup final 3
European Championship semi-final 3
Copa America semi-final 3
Copa Libertadores final 2.5
Copa America final group stages 2.5
European Championship final group stages 2.5
Copa America final stages 2
Europa League final 2
UEFA Cup final 2
Cup-Winners Cup final 2
Champions League semi-final 2
Copa America semi-final 2
Copa Libertadores semi-final 1.5


The top 50 big-game goalscorers

Rank -- Player -- County -- Career -- Goals -- Points

1. Gerd Muller -- Germany -- 1963-1981 -- 16 -- 51
2. Alfredo Di Stefano -- Argentina-- 1945-1966 -- 19 -- 45
3. Pele -- Brazil -- 1956-1977 -- 13 -- 40.5
4. Ferenc Puskas -- Hungary -- 1943-1966 -- 15 -- 40
5. Zinedine Zidane -- France -- 1988-2006 -- 10 -- 33
6. Ronaldo -- Brazil -- 1993-2011 -- 9 -- 32
7 . Alberto Spencer -- Ecuador -- 1953-1972 -- 13 -- 27.5
8 . Vava -- Brazil -- 1949-1969 -- 6 -- 27
9. Mario Kempes -- Argentina -- 1970-1996 -- 6 -- 24
10. Eusebio -- Portugal -- 1957-1979 -- 9 -- 23

4 out of the top ten big game goalscorers are on the pitch and 3 of them are in our side. :)
 

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Some great stats there Enigma.
Cheers, mate. The weightings make a lot of sense as well as it highlights the biggest games in international/club football and against the best opposition/highest level.
 

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Frequency of phrase "slaloming runs" keeps increasing with every passing draft. On the game itself can't separate the teams, wish I could see the score without having to vote.
 

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Great stuff there @Enigma_87

Pretty much confirms what we know about Müller. Arguably the most ruthless player and one of the most decisive players to ever play the game.

Was just watching Germany vs Scotland (late sixties WC qualifier) the other day and Scotland were dominating, whilst Germany could barely impose themselves upon the game or create chances. As usual Müller completely bails out his side, with an utterly ruthless goal against the run of play (probably his first significant chance of the match).

We've seen players use their flair/magic to unlock a tight game or decide a scrappy affair with a moment of genius, with their sides playing poorly. Hard to think of another matchwinner in the mould of Müller who was just decisive, plain and simple. Mind you I'd take Müller's brand of decisiveness over the vast majority of those flair players too.
 

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Cheers, mate. The weightings make a lot of sense as well as it highlights the biggest games in international/club football and against the best opposition/highest level.
Just noticed Riquelme comes above Cristiano Ronaldo in that list. Cal will sure like that
 

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Just noticed Riquelme comes above Cristiano Ronaldo in that list. Cal will sure like that
The list is from 2012. Cristiano moves up to 5th place with 35 points if I haven't missed anything ;)

edit: 38 points, was missing the EURO 2016 semifinal goal
 
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Great stuff there @Enigma_87

Pretty much confirms what we know about Müller. Arguably the most ruthless player and one of the most decisive players to ever play the game.

Was just watching Germany vs Scotland (late sixties WC qualifier) the other day and Scotland were dominating, whilst Germany could barely impose themselves upon the game or create chances. As usual Müller completely bails out his side, with an utterly ruthless goal against the run of play (probably his first significant chance of the match).

We've seen players use their flair/magic to unlock a tight game or decide a scrappy affair with a moment of genius, with their sides playing poorly. Hard to think of another matchwinner in the mould of Müller who was just decisive, plain and simple. Mind you I'd take Müller's brand of decisiveness over the vast majority of those flair players too.
Indeed. For many Müller is flat track bully and nothing but a finisher, which doesn't showcase the quality in his game. It's not only the finishing but the movement the way he always gets to the end of chances. Müller is not the flashiest forward and maybe that sometimes doesn't do him favors in highlighting his game and his importance in a football game, but to me he's the most deciding factor to finish even a half chance in the box.

The bigger the stage the more clinical he was and was the ultimate big player in those games.

For example on the road to that 1970 world cup and the qualifiers they were drawn in a group against Scotland, Cyprus and Austria.

1st game - opening goal against Austria away in 2-0 win.
2nd game - a 90th minute decider against Cyprus away for a 1-0 win.
3rd game - opener against Scotland away in a 1-1 draw.


Then in the 4th game first home game against Austria. 0-0 draw until the 88th min when Muller clinches the win in a narrow 1-0.

The last two games - 4 goals against Cyprus at home and a crucial goal in a 3-2 win against Scotland( the second goal).

THe result - West Germany finishing 4 and 5 points ahead of Scotland and Austria respectively. The Müller effect? Without him only the Cyprus game at home would possibly be given.

On the road and in the final itself Müller scored 19 goals in 12 apps for his country, so whilst Maradona and Pele had very memorable effect on their teams, Müller was the main reason why West Germany even qualified for the 1970 WC let alone his impeccable performance in the finals.
 

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The list is from 2012. Cristiano moves up to 5th place with 35 points if I haven't missed anything ;)
Just noticed Riquelme comes above Cristiano Ronaldo in that list. Cal will sure like that
Indeed Cristiano moved up especially in his CL and EC performances out of late. Whilst his international record isn't that great especially in the ending stages of the tournaments at club level he has been a very important goalscorer and difference maker.
 
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The list is from 2012. Cristiano moves up to 5th place with 35 points if I haven't missed anything ;)

edit: 38 points, was missing the EURO 2016 semifinal goal
Really? I wouldn't have expected him that high. Fair play
 

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Some Muller goals on the road to the 1970.

Quick counter with Beckenbauer quickly releasing and squaring the ball. The attack shifts on the left - cross comes in and a great finish by Muller against Austria to make it 1-1.

Again against Austria. Tumble in the box after a cross. Muller flicks the ball over his head and finishes in style:

Fantastic volley against Scotland with his left foot.

Poacher finish with excellent movement in the box against Scotland again.

and lastly a compilation:

The thing about Muller is there are no excessive touches in the box. He always knew where the goal was, made the right decision - either to hit it first time or to calm the ball down to find the perfect angle and that last step when the ball is coming to him to make himself available.

Out of all the big games I've seen of him he always found the net one way or another. The only time I've seen Muller neutralized in a big game that was against Figueroa in that 1974 world cup. It took one of the best defenders in history in don Elias to prevent him from scoring.

His international record really speaks for himself at the biggest stages:

68 EURO qualifiers - 6 goals in 3 games.
70 WC qualifiers - 9 goals in 6 games.
70 WC - 10 goals in 6 games
72 EURO qualifier - 6 goals in 7 games
72 EURO - 4 goals in 2 games
74 WC - 4 goals in 7 games.

Guy was a machine at the biggest stage:

No wonder der Kaiser often said that Germany wouldn't be the super power in international football if it weren't for him.

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What made Müller so deadly is the fact that he had an almost supernatural ability to be in the right place at the right time to pounce and put the ball in the back of the net. Something that has often been overlooked is his deceivingly fast acceleration over short distances.
As Beckenbauer recalled: "His acceleration was incredible. In training I have played against him and I never had a chance". Due to his short stature, he was also able to turn sharply and get shots off that other players could not, as author David Winner once wrote: “His short legs gave him a strangely low center of gravity, so he could turn quickly and with perfect balance in spaces and at speeds that would cause other players to fall over. He also had a knack of scoring in unlikely situations”. In short, Müller was a once-in-a-lifetime player, the likes of which we have never seen since or will probably ever see again.
Gerd is a great role model for me. When I came into the amateur ranks at Bayern I got to know him. Gerd told me how to conduct myself as an attacking player in the penalty area - For this I remain very grateful. No-one in Germany has reached Gerd's strike-rate and yet he is totally modest and never seen himself as something special” – Thomas Müller
"Without the goals of Gerd Müller, Bayern Munich would not be where it is today. What Bayern have today, their palace on the Säbener Straße, that would have stayed a shed without him” – Franz Beckenbauer
Müller himself was instrumental to all these successes. While Maier was peerless in goal and Beckenbauer controlled games with elegance and authority in equal measure, it was the “kleines dickes Müller” (Short fat Müller), as his first coach at Bayern, the Croatian Čik Čajkovski, labeled him, who put the ball in the back of the net and ultimately led Die Roten to their greatest heights. Der Bomber still, to this day, holds the record for most career Bundesliga goals, with an amazing 365 goals in 427 games, while also setting another unbeaten benchmark in 1971-71 by slamming home 40 goals in a single campaign.
 
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I also disagree with the notion that G/T have the better defence - for one it should be the other way around. I think Moore, Maldini and Figueroa - who also were the stars of the tournament - Maldini nominated top three for the Ballon D'or in 1994, Moore is arguably the greatest defensive performance as a captain and Figueroa facing the greatest pure finisher in Muller and awarded best defender of the tournament and nullifying him in 1974. They also faced forwards like Romario, Eusebio, Muller, Stoichkov, etc - the very elite tier in terms of attacking talent in all time pool.
The defences are fairly close and you've probably got a better back three in a normal draft. But in terms of this draft, it's clear that our back three and goalkeeper reached a higher level of performance in their respective tournaments.

Sammer was the player of Euro 1996, deciding games in all phases, and won a Ballon D'Or on the back of it. Your equivalent Moore had a great tournament but didn't reach the same heights.

Cannavaro produced the most influential central defensive tournament performance probably of all time in 2006. He won the Ballon D'Or on the back of it and was second in the Golden Ball. Maldini was class in 1994 but wasn't as singularly influential and wasn't in the running for Golden Ball.


Thuram was the highest rated player at France '98 and third in the Golden Ball. Figueroa was class in 1974, probably the closest of the three, doing a great job nullifying Muller. But he didn't contend for a Golden Ball and only played in 3 out of 7 World Cup games.

WC 1998 Average Ratings
7,10: Thuram (Fra)
7,00: Zidane (Fra)
6,95: Davids (Nld)
 

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The defences are fairly close. But in terms of the draft, it's clear that our back three and goalkeeper reached a higher level of performance in their respective tournaments.

Sammer was the player of Euro 1996, deciding games in all phases, and won a Ballon D'Or on the back of it. Your equivalent Moore had a great tournament but didn't reach the same heights.

Cannavaro produced the most influential central defensive tournament performance probably of all time in 2006. He won the Ballon D'Or on the back of it and was second in the Golden Ball. Maldini was class in 1994 but wasn't as singularly influential and wasn't in the running for Golden Ball.


Thuram was the highest rated player at France '98 and third in the Golden Ball. Figueroa was class in 1974, probably the closest of the three, doing a great job nullifying Muller. But he didn't contend for a Golden Ball and only played in 3 out of 7 World Cup games.

WC 1998 Average Ratings
7,10: Thuram (Fra)
7,00: Zidane (Fra)
6,95: Davids (Nld)

On Cannavaro - no doubt that he had a great tournament but trouble with statistics and awards is that they are highly subjective. Also Cannavaro never faced a forward of the quality of Eusebio, Muller, Romario at their pump and the likes.

Nothing to take away from Cannavaro of course you only play against the other side of the pitch, but if in 2006 there weren't that many great forwards/players with huge reputation like in 1966 and 1994 to leave their mark on the tournament and Ballon Do'r awards.

It's also a bit telling that Cannavaro was not voted as a man of the match in any game in that WC with Pirlo grabbing the award 3 times and Gattuso and Buffon once.

For example in 1966: Eusebio had a great tournament and hit 9 goals compared to Klose scoring 5 in 2006 and the next in line 3. There weren't that many bright individuals in 2006 and the awards usually tend to go to the more shiny names.

While Cannavaro in 2006 had some excellent rivals like Ronaldinho (who hugely under performed at the WC) Bobby Moore was #4 in the ranking of the Ballon D'or that year and the reason why he was ranked so "low"?

The top three - Sir Bobby, Franz Beckenbauer who had an awesome tournament as well and Eusebio. Beckenbauer, Sir Bobby and Eusebio were playing for top sides and Eusebio was the current Balon D'or holder.

In 1994 Maldini was 3rd in the Ballon D'or only with Stoichkov on the back of his Barcelona performances and great WC for a much inferior side and Baggio who had an excellent WC and was a household name at the time.

Maldini himself had to play as a LB, CB and was the absolute leader in that defence which had Costacurta and Baresi injured at the time.

Thuram obviously was great in that WC, but then again as we had this argument before he was playing as a RB in a back four and his goals against Croatia had a huge part of his performance and award for it.

So again without taking away any of the credit for Sammer, Cannavaro and Thuram, they obviously bossed their defences and had great tournaments, but Maldini, Moore and Figueroa are individually the better defenders and they were in the form of their life in those tournaments, backed up with the accolades (team of the tournament, best defender in WC74, and Ballon D'or nominations).
 

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I also feel we have an advantage when comparing the fit of the two defences. Matthias Sammer is the ultimate libero in a back three who moved up a couple of gears in the same set-up he has here. By contrast, Bobby Moore was a left-sided centre-back for England in a back four in 1966 and 1970 (and has probably never played in a back three in his life).
 

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Awesome names but I'm really not sure about Cruyff and Maradona together. IMO Maradona was more dominant than Zidane so I can see issues with Cruyff not in regards positioning but who runs the game.
Agreed with this. It's as tight as it can possible be and I can't for the life of me decide thus far but this is the most glaring issue on the pitch imo.

Will see how the discussions go before voting.
 

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I also feel we have an advantage when comparing the fit of the two defences. Matthias Sammer is the ultimate libero in a back three who moved up a couple of gears in the same set-up he has here. By contrast, Bobby Moore was a left-sided centre-back for England in a back four in 1966 and 1970 (and has probably never played in a back three in his life).
Same can be said about Thuram performing as a RB in a back four in 98 and Cannavaro being LCB or RCB in a back four in 2006.

If you disagree about Moore being able to do a job as a sweeper that's another matter but based on his credentials and what his game was about he's more sweeper than anything else to be honest.
 

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@Enigma_87, black mark for poor spelling. Your team is harder to love.

@Gio lovely side but the Maradona-Cruyff combination is really worrying.

I can take Maradona and Matthäus in one game, they would fall out over time if training together (not ego, just Matthäus embodying everything Diego hated about Passarella - discipline vs. carefree) but the on-pitch partnership would work.

I can't think of a worse ego clash than Cruyff-Maradona though. Maradona was selfless but he doesn't take shit from anyone. This is a team built around Diego, not the know-it-all and they'll blow up before halftime.

Funny enough, it's the opposite from the Matthäus situation, I could see them getting on and respecting each other over time.
 
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Same can be said about Thuram performing as a RB in a back four in 98 and Cannavaro being LCB or RCB in a back four in 2006.

If you disagree about Moore being able to do a job as a sweeper that's another matter but based on his credentials and what his game was about he's more sweeper than anything else to be honest.
Yeah I've got no issues with it per se, but it's obviously not as optimal as Sammer's set-up in a back three. Especially when he is flanked by Cannavaro and Thuram who were part of the same club defence in a back three, with Cannavaro having plenty of experience of it as well with Italy at different times. It's just a bit cleaner in terms of players knowing what they're doing and having the experience to prove they can do a reliable job there.
 

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Yeah I've got no issues with it per se, but it's obviously not as optimal as Sammer's set-up in a back three. Especially when he is flanked by Cannavaro and Thuram who were part of the same club defence in a back three, with Cannavaro having plenty of experience of it as well with Italy at different times. It's just a bit cleaner in terms of players knowing what they're doing and having the experience to prove they can do a reliable job there.
That was not peak Cannavaro tho and not the one presented in here. Cannavaro of 2006 played in a back four most of the time, Thuram obviously is a great fit for his club side in 3-5-2 but at his peak he played as a RB for France and while obviously he's at his peak level I have more issues with him playing as a RCB(club form) than as a RB in a 4 man back line and especially with Zanetti as a wing back in a back 5.

If your worry is the complimentary of the defensive unit let's break it down:

Maldini as LCB - hardly there is a better player in an all time draft for that position.
Moore - central defender/sweeper - he isn't tasked to play as a RCB or LCB in a back 5 which would then raise an issue but as a sweeper role which IMO is his bread and butter. He had Jack Charlton as a more aggressive stopper in that WC and here he has the more aggressive Figueroa and Maldini as the other CB's
Figueroa: tough to find a better all round defender then him - technically brilliant, all rounded, agressive, excellent in the air, brilliant man marker - one to play possibly anywhere on the football field.

All of them have different roles as well and I don't think either of them is asked to so something that is outside their expertise.
 

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@Enigma_87, black mark for poor spelling. Your team is harder to love.

@Gio lovely side but the Maradona-Cruyff combination is really worrying.

I can take Maradona and Matthäus in one game, they would fall out over time if training together (not ego, just Matthäus embodying everything Diego hated about Passarella - discipline vs. carefree) but the on-pitch partnership would work.

I can't think of a worse ego clash than Cruyff-Maradona though. Maradona was selfless but he doesn't take shit from anyone. This is a team built around Diego, not the know-it-all and they'll blow up before halftime.
I've tried to be punctual as best as possible, but trying to get many points across and also processing some large amount of texts is always possible to miss a typo here and there. But point taken of course and I always strive to be as punctual as possible :)

On your latter point I absolutely agree. There is a lot of personality clash and all in the middle of the park. Matthäus, Maradona and Cruyff are all strong individuals and have their own vision and ideas. While Matthäus/Maradona might not be a clash all the time as you said, Cruyff was the main figure on the pitch and like a coach there. Him and Maradona on the same pitch is a no-no for me.
 

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I've tried to be punctual as best as possible, but trying to get many points across and also processing some large amount of texts is always possible to miss a typo here and there. But point taken of course and I always strive to be as punctual as possible :)
I was referring to Ulbaldo.
 

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The list is from 2012. Cristiano moves up to 5th place with 35 points if I haven't missed anything ;)

edit: 38 points, was missing the EURO 2016 semifinal goal
That's incredible, didn't think he would be in top 10 to be fair, especially with the system underrating (imo) Champions League play offs
 

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I was referring to Ulbaldo.
Yeah I know just spotted it. While I was testing few fonts for the team sheet had to rewrite it couple of times and missed that, thanks!



@Annahnomoss can you please update the team sheet. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.
 

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I'll leave it for the neutrals for couple of hours to address some work issues, but before I go:

Some highlights from the great game by Eusebio against North Korea where he pulled the team out of the hole and essentially was a one man mission to send them through.

 

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Key points for me:
  • How will Enigma's midfield cope with Gio's? Didi isn't the most reliable defensive presence, same can be said for Pele even though he dropped quite deep in 1970 sometimes. The main problem is Moore in a libero role - unlike Scirea/Baresi or even Sammer he doesn't have a habit of pushing forward and increasing midfield numbers when needed; from the elite tier of center backs, most of whom were actually liberos, he is the most conservative one, the most centerback-like if you will. With Beckenbauer being already overwhelmed with Maradona (not sure about him being Maradona's kryptonite, it's impossible to find a better proactive defensive player than him, but when it comes to an actual one on one defending, Maradona has a clear edge). Plus you have unmarked Sammer to run riot from the deep.
  • I would also question the collective brilliance of Gio's front three, who seem to be overlapping. I'll mull it over to decide how limiting this partnership would've actually been.
  • And in the end, forgot all this Pele vs Maradona bs, this is the most important question for - who is going to be MotM? There are 2 standouts, and the competition between them will ultimately decide the game, at least in my eyes, Schmeichel or Müller?
 

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Key points for me:
  • How will Enigma's midfield cope with Gio's? Didi isn't the most reliable defensive presence, same can be said for Pele even though he dropped quite deep in 1970 sometimes. The main problem is Moore in a libero role - unlike Scirea/Baresi or even Sammer he doesn't have a habit of pushing forward and increasing midfield numbers when needed; from the elite tier of center backs, most of whom were actually liberos, he is the most conservative one, the most centerback-like if you will. With Beckenbauer being already overwhelmed with Maradona (not sure about him being Maradona's kryptonite, it's impossible to find a better proactive defensive player than him, but when it comes to an actual one on one defending, Maradona has a clear edge). Plus you have unmarked Sammer to run riot from the deep.
  • I would also question the collective brilliance of Gio's front three, who seem to be overlapping. I'll mull it over to decide how limiting this partnership would've actually been.
  • And in the end, forgot all this Pele vs Maradona bs, this is the most important question for - who is going to be MotM? There are 2 standouts, and the competition between them will ultimately decide the game, at least in my eyes, Schmeichel or Müller?
Agree with this point. For me Beckenbauer 66 struggled with Charlton defensively and had to be on top of his game to try and man mark him. Version 70 is wiser for sure, and tougher to best but I'd still back Maradona to win that battle which begs the question is there any DM out there who could mark out a prime Maradona in 86 (though Lothar did a good job, it still resulted in him grabbing the match winning assist) and Beckenbauer focusing on Maradona, puts huge emphasis on Didi trying to run the game (which he can but he has an almighty battle on his hands).

I actually think Maradona is a better fit than Zidane was with Cruyff.. because Maradona operates more inside right and Cruyff inside left, both can do damage on the wings and generally more versatile players in terms of positions they can take up on the pitch.. whereas I really did feel Zidane and Cruyff didn't make sense at all as a pairing to me.

My biggest gripe with this Gio side remains Zanetti, who doesn't deserve to be in a final of this theme at all and is only there because of name value, but the fact remains that the way Enigma is set up, doesn't expose that flaw whatsoever so it is a moot point.
 

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Regarding the defences.

Cannavaro should be compared with Moore as they both provided arguably the greatest center back/captain performances in history of World Cup. Cannavaro has a little more to show for it, Ballon D'Or and all, but he played with better partners (Buffon in particular had a better World Cup than Banks) and against weaker forwards (not his fault, mind).

Figueroa is a tough one - his performance against Müller is a one for the history books, absolutely nullifying the most threatening international forward ever in one dominating performance, but he didn't make it out of the group stage. Not his fault, that Chile side was far from impressing, but it's hard to compare him with the guys who played full tournaments and left their marks on the highest of possible stages.

Maldini vs Thuram - a close competition between two key parts of some of the most impressive defensive units in history; they are also incredibly similar in their historical status - GOAT fullbacks who can with ease cover for their respective side's centerbacks. I'd say that Thuram was slightly more imposing in the World Cup, while Maldini also gained a lot of Ballon D'Or votes for his club season (AC Milan conceded 15 goals in 34 league games and 2 goals in 12 CL games :houllier:)

And then we have Sammer (who in my comparison is competing more with Figueroa than with Moore) - alongside Beckenbauer in 1972 probably the most influencing libero/defender's performance on the international stage; as impecable as Figueroa was in the minutes he got, there is only one winner here.