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Was just thinking about our biggest transfer over the last 3 seasons
Lukaku 75m
Fred 52m
Maguire 85m

Inter amazingly somehow repeated our mistake with Lukaku, but hard to imagine any team in the world would pay more than half of what we paid for Fred and Maguire.

That's incredibly poor business.
 

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What will be this guys next trick? If it is another manager, how will our fans feel about yet another manager? When will the penny drop that it's not just the managers?!
 

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What will be this guys next trick? If it is another manager, how will our fans feel about yet another manager? When will the penny drop that it's not just the managers?!
We have a stupid fanbase. After every poor result the Woodward threads barely have any activity. The manager threads have hundreds of new pages with rants. They'll continue ranting until the current manager is sacked, cheer when he is sacked, cheer on the new manager for a couple of months, then wanting him sacked too when he isn't the flavour of the month anymore. Rinse and repeat.
 

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What will be this guys next trick? If it is another manager, how will our fans feel about yet another manager? When will the penny drop that it's not just the managers?!
Everyone knows it's not just the managers. There are one or two Glazer defenders on here, but I'm not sure even they defend Woodward (could recall that wrongly). I would expect if Ole is fired that plenty of previously pious individuals would start barking in the press and tv studios. Pressure will mount. I don't think they'll get away with not professionalising the club.
 

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We have a stupid fanbase. After every poor result the Woodward threads barely have any activity. The manager threads have hundreds of new pages with rants. They'll continue ranting until the current manager is sacked, cheer when he is sacked, cheer on the new manager for a couple of months, then wanting him sacked too when he isn't the flavour of the month anymore. Rinse and repeat.
This is my argument, constantly changing managers while this clown is in charge will make no difference (don’t even believe he’s a united fan) at least I know ole has uniteds best interest at heart.
 

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More nonsense from the cretin. OUT!
What the hell does this part even mean??

If you choose to churn every player because they are not good enough and you're not extending contracts, you are putting yourself at risk of execution. Sometimes you have to take a broader view.
Is Woodward saying he knows that he's extending contracts of players that aren't good enough, just cos of some risk we can't see? Presumably losing them on a free?

Almost guaranteed to see a Matic contact extension aren't we? :lol:

This club is so done. By time the Glazers are done nobody is even going to remember we used to be good.
 

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What the hell does this part even mean??



Is Woodward saying he knows that he's extending contracts of players that aren't good enough, just cos of some risk we can't see? Presumably losing them on a free?

Almost guaranteed to see a Matic contact extension aren't we? :lol:

This club is so done. By time the Glazers are done nobody is even going to remember we used to be good.
Yup, and everyone is concerned about who the manager/coach is - laughable
 

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Yup, and everyone is concerned about who the manager/coach is - laughable
To admit that publicly is just mind boggling. The executive vice chairman of this club has openly said he keeps players he knows aren't good enough.

Think of what that says to any ambitious player: Go to United, it's full of deadwood, the board knows it but they won't refresh the squad cos they want to make a buck.

Talk about Pochettino. Why would he come here? Sorry Poch we are giving X,Y,Z new deals cos we don't want to lose them for free so you can't buy a new midfield. No money. :houllier:
 

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When Ole does go I do wonder If he'll add to the list of managers that have spoken out against Ed on being sacked or if he'll take the blame. I hope he sticks the boot in if i'm honest.

Again, I just can't get my head around the logic behind the three players we brought in being the difference between missing out on top 4 like last year and getting top 4 this year. (New players are fine by the way, just the priorities and amount of players brought in). We state that top 4 and maybe a trophy is our aim for the season but we get stuff like;

We can't bring in another striker because it will impede Greenwood's development. Martial gets injured and we realise we have no proper replacement.
We get rid of two midfielders and bring no one in for that position.
We get rid of one player that publicly doesn't want to be here (Lukaku) and yet keep another (Pogba)
We throw youth players in that clearly aren't ready and have no major winners or leaders in the team to help them.

The plan for this season was just a mess of wishful thinking and misplaced optimism.
 

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To admit that publicly is just mind boggling. The executive vice chairman of this club has openly said he keeps players he knows aren't good enough.

Think of what that says to any ambitious player: Go to United, it's full of deadwood, the board knows it but they won't refresh the squad cos they want to make a buck.

Talk about Pochettino. Why would he come here? Sorry Poch we are giving X,Y,Z new deals cos we don't want to lose them for free so you can't buy a new midfield. No money. :houllier:
I’ve said that i arguments also, why would x want to come here?

At the moment I am just happy it’s someone I trust running the team.
 

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Maybe the tide is slowly turning, just saw a video of a United fan giving Woodward a wet willy in Kazakhstan (Not making that up btw)

If reports of Avram Glazer receiving an atomic wedgie come out soon it might just be a sign that a rebellion is on the horizon.
Had to google the video - giggled a bit. Not proud of it, but hey
 

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I’ve said that i arguments also, why would x want to come here?

At the moment I am just happy it’s someone I trust running the team.
If they use Ole as a scapegoat, which is 90% certain, I fear for the future.

We have a guy who is now openly saying he overruled managers on signings, and gives new contacts to failures, running the club.

Now the new deals for Jones, Romero, Mata etc all make sense. We all suspected it but now we have it in black and white.

I cannot believe he's said that. If you ran any other company and you said that it'd be a scandal. Just say you ran British Gas and you said 'yeah I know our engineers aren't good but we keep them just in case.' Can you imagine the reaction from shareholders and customers?

How is he doing his job if he admits he is keeping players he knows are not up to it???
 

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Yup, and everyone is concerned about who the manager/coach is - laughable
Solskjaer's managerial ability (or lack thereof) is a problem rather than the problem (the latter obviously being the owners/Woodward).

I suspect most on here are actually aware of this (a poll conducted on the Caf to determine whether or not we should sack Woodward would surely return 95%+ in favour, compared to the current 53% of the forum who want to dispense with Solskjaer).

People will naturally focus more on Solskjaer's future than Woodward's in their discussions because a) they have a clearer idea what Ole actually does on a day-to-day basis and can see the fruits of those labours, first-hand, every weekend, and b) they know the prospect of real change at the very top of the club, is, sadly, more-or-less zero.
 

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Solskjaer's managerial ability (or lack thereof) is a problem rather than the problem (the latter being the owners/Woodward).

I suspect most on here are actually aware of this (a poll conducted on the Caf to determine whether or not we should sack Woodward would surely return 95%+ in favour, compared to the current 53% of the forum who want to dispense with Solskjaer).

People will naturally focus more on Solskjaer's future than Woodward's in their discussions because a) they have a clearer idea what Ole actually does on a day-to-day basis and can see the fruits of those labours, first-hand, every weekend, and b) they know the prospect of real change at the very top of the club, is, sadly, more-or-less zero.
Thing about it what can change if the guy at the top is telling the world he prefers to keep deadwood than give the manager better players?

This club gave Pereira a new deal when we could have let him go. Same with Mata. Jones etc. We are probably getting new deals ready for Young and Matic. How can it change if the guy at the top looks at the squad and goes 'yeah he's not up to it. Offer him a new four year deal'??

Some fans used to think he did this s-t out of ignorance. Now we know he does know they're not good enough. He's just afraid of 'execution' whatever the hell that means. FFS do you think Real Madrid or Barcelona would behave this way?!

We are finished.
 

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Thing about it what can change if the guy at the top is telling the world he prefers to keep deadwood than give the manager better players?

This club gave Pereira a new deal when we could have let him go. Same with Mata. Jones etc. We are probably getting new deals ready for Young and Matic. How can it change if the guy at the top looks at the squad and goes 'yeah he's not up to it. Offer him a new four year deal'??

Some fans used to think he did this s-t out of ignorance. Now we know he does know they're not good enough. He's just afraid of 'execution' whatever the hell that means. FFS do you think Real Madrid or Barcelona would behave this way?!

We are finished.
I don't disagree. Woodward has been and continues to be an utter disaster.
 

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He can't win.

If he didn't sanction Maguire deal, there'd be fans crying that he was tying the manager's hands behind his back.

Fans have to hold themselves to account, they were the ones screaming for Ole to be appointed permanently and Woodword simply obliged

It's the fans who week in week out sing ''You are my Solskjear'' irrespective of results.

When these shortsighted decisions backfire, he ends up the scapegoat.

Even today there are people
What the hell does this part even mean??



Is Woodward saying he knows that he's extending contracts of players that aren't good enough, just cos of some risk we can't see? Presumably losing them on a free?

Almost guaranteed to see a Matic contact extension aren't we? :lol:

This club is so done. By time the Glazers are done nobody is even going to remember we used to be good.
But he decided not to renew the contract of one of our most important players. Also most clubs have contract negotiations well in advance. All of our contract negotiations seem to happen when players have months remaining. This gives the player the upper hand and probably the reason why all of our players get ridiculously inflated contracts that they simply aren’t worth.
 

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What the hell does this part even mean??



Is Woodward saying he knows that he's extending contracts of players that aren't good enough, just cos of some risk we can't see? Presumably losing them on a free?

Almost guaranteed to see a Matic contact extension aren't we? :lol:

This club is so done. By time the Glazers are done nobody is even going to remember we used to be good.
It only makes sense in not losing players on a free if they have any value to the team. Jones has been a bit part player for this club since 2011. So nearly 9 years he has never cemented himself as a first choice CB and yet he’s still here. No other top club is run like that. At most he’s worth £10m. By the time we pay his salary over the next 4 years that will be well over £10m I suspect. When we had 5 CBs in the squad as well it was an easy way to lose the worst one of the lot. Woodward’s logic is completely flawed.
 

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But he decided not to renew the contract of one of our most important players. Also most clubs have contract negotiations well in advance. All of our contract negotiations seem to happen when players have months remaining. This gives the player the upper hand and probably the reason why all of our players get ridiculously inflated contracts that they simply aren’t worth.
That was my first reaction- then why the F*** didn't Ander get a contract extension after his 16/17 season after playing well for a whole year????!!!! and yet Jones, Shaw, Young, Mata get new contracts when they barely string two good performances together.
You wouldn't have had to pay him 250 000 a week to convince him to stay if you'd opened contract talks much earlier.
 

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It only makes sense in not losing players on a free if they have any value to the team. Jones has been a bit part player for this club since 2011. So nearly 9 years he has never cemented himself as a first choice CB and yet he’s still here. No other top club is run like that. At most he’s worth £10m. By the time we pay his salary over the next 4 years that will be well over £10m I suspect. When we had 5 CBs in the squad as well it was an easy way to lose the worst one of the lot. Woodward’s logic is completely flawed.
Hear arguments regularly about better to keep em on a contract then sell them, yet we never do unless it’s someone we don’t want to sell.
 

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Another complete myth. We've had the slowest growth of all of our major rivals since he took over - we just had such a big head start over them that we still 'stayed ahead of the pack' regardless. Resting on our laurels? Oh yes, as always.

We are fading into the annals of football folklore, on the dusty pages alongside AC Milan, Leeds Utd etc if we arent careful. A book of myth, with the Norwegian sasquatch at the helm and a fecking gnome sanctioning the transfers.
Sad but true
 

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Was just thinking about our biggest transfer over the last 3 seasons
Lukaku 75m
Fred 52m
Maguire 85m

Inter amazingly somehow repeated our mistake with Lukaku, but hard to imagine any team in the world would pay more than half of what we paid for Fred and Maguire.

That's incredibly poor business.
Inter seems to be doing alright this season. And lukkaku is a good flat track bully. It's useful for to have a striker who can outscore the midtable/lower teams.
 

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I don't really get why it's impossible for Man Utd get more than 3 players in one transfer window. It doesn't seem to a problem for other clubs so why is for it for us?
 

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Was just thinking about our biggest transfer over the last 3 seasons
Lukaku 75m
Fred 52m
Maguire 85m

Inter amazingly somehow repeated our mistake with Lukaku, but hard to imagine any team in the world would pay more than half of what we paid for Fred and Maguire.

That's incredibly poor business.
I doubt Inter count it as a mistake so far.
 

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Executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward explained the principle in an interview with fanzine 'United We Stand'.

"It's a multi-year squad evolution analysis," he said.

"It's hard enough to get three players done in a transfer window. To get six or seven done is extremely difficult if you are getting proper talent.

"If you choose to churn every player because they are not good enough and you're not extending contracts, you are putting yourself at risk of execution. Sometimes you have to take a broader view."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50534315

Ed, wtf does that even mean?
 

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I don't really get why it's impossible for Man Utd get more than 3 players in one transfer window. It doesn't seem to a problem for other clubs so why is for it for us?
Didn’t we signed 7 in the summer with LVG?
 

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If the Glazers have any sense they will at the very least completely remove him from having any influence on the football side. He may well be good at making money for the club but that money has been wasted largely under his watch for nigh on 6 years. So him making money for the club is offset by it being squanderd on the likes of Fred, Maguire, Wan Bissaka etc and he should be held to account. Enough is enough now and the Glazers need to remove him before he hires another manager and we hear the same reports about a list being handed to Woodward regarding potential incomings.

I'm hopeful this piece by Neil Ashton from earlier in the year has legs regards Woodwards position being closely monitored by the Glazers. Ashton presents the Sunday Supplement on Sky and is a respected journo in his field.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9083900/man-utd-under-growing-pressure-from-glazers-and-face-a-make-or-break-summer-in-transfer-market/
Sensible post. I agree with a lot of it especially the part in bold but can't see it happening. It p!ssed me off seeing how much money Woodward let the previous managers squander compared to what he gave Ole last summer. I feel that he neglected our midfield and attack. This may be due to him getting bitten by Jose and Louis Van Gaal wasting so much money, that he is reluctant to pay out so much money anymore but I feel reinforcements in these areas would have put us in a much better position than we are in know.

I think he may sack Ole get another manager promise him a lot but ultimately fail to stick to these promises and then blame new manager for his mistakes.

I hope that "Woodward is feeling the heat, with owners the Glazer's scrutinising his performance" as he could have been a lot better and I said at the the time how I believed it was going to be one our most important transfer windows and I feel let down by Woodward. I also don't think it was right to up his pay 60% to £4M.

He has been here 6 years and I would have thought that he would have learnt a few thing along the way. The Glazer's can feck off and take him with them. Preferably soon.
 

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What will be this guys next trick? If it is another manager, how will our fans feel about yet another manager? When will the penny drop that it's not just the managers?!
I think that if a new manager does come in Woodward will promise him all the backing but won't give it to him.

I think Woodward will sell Pogba and that will be the majority of the transfer budget. Then when that manager doesn't do as well as he should, Woodward will also sack them and make it look as if the problem is all the manager's fault then sack them and start all over again.
 

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I think the club's upper management is heavily lopsided towards the business/commercial side and this hurting the football side. The fact of the matter is we don't have anyone at Executive level with intrinsic knowledge or football intelligence to stop us from making costly mistakes.

Over the years we have made few big ones that even posters here could see from a mile off. Signing Matic, at his age, for big bucks was one; not giving Jose the CB he needed was also one, making Solskjear permanent, signing Maguire for £80m and renewing Jones, Pereira and Mata to new contracts.

All these errors just smack of short termism brought about by lack of vision. Our wage bill is so huge but half of that is wasted on players who are useless on the pitch, we have spent close to billion pounds over the last six years but still look like we need another £500m to be spent on talent.

The reason for all this is because at decision making level above the manager we lack people with appreciation of football not just finance. One could justify not renewing Herrera's contract at outrageous demands but who let it run down to the last few months and thereby giving the player all the negotiating power? Who then failed to replace him and that now that decision looks like it's going to cost us European football next season.
 

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I think that if a new manager does come in Woodward will promise him all the backing but won't give it to him.

I think Woodward will sell Pogba and that will be the majority of the transfer budget. Then when that manager doesn't do as well as he should, Woodward will also sack them and make it look as if the problem is all the manager's fault then sack them and start all over again.
And he'll keep rinsing and repeating this as long as fans keep filling up the Glazer coffers.
 

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I feel like Woodward is so desperate not to get an appointment wrong again that he'll stick with Ole until either we become embroilled in a relegation battle or
CL qualification is mathematically impossible (which I think is the most likely scenario).

Another thing that is maybe making it easier for Woodward to hold of is Ole hasn't lost the players like LVG or Moyes and there isn't a toxic atmosphere amongst the club like under Jose.
 

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We have a stupid fanbase. After every poor result the Woodward threads barely have any activity. The manager threads have hundreds of new pages with rants. They'll continue ranting until the current manager is sacked, cheer when he is sacked, cheer on the new manager for a couple of months, then wanting him sacked too when he isn't the flavour of the month anymore. Rinse and repeat.
Woodward knows our fans very well. They just bark and won't bite. There will some uproar here and there and then the new manager will come , win couple of games and this guy will have a smug on his face. He is totally incompetent and acts like he knows every damn thing about football.
 

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More nonsense from the cretin. OUT!
No surprise. Was waiting for this sort of announcement from that prick

Club is a laughing stock from top to bottom and this clown is the main core of it. Blame firmly lies at his doorstep.
 

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I would honestly like to see woodward/glazers out banners flying over Old Trafford. It won't force them out, it just needs to become clear that we as fans don't want them here.
 

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Woodward knows our fans very well. They just bark and won't bite. There will some uproar here and there and then the new manager will come , win couple of games and this guy will have a smug on his face. He is totally incompetent and acts like he knows every damn thing about football.
Yep.

United fans are stuck in this might "we're better than the rest" mind frame. We're proud that we don't sack managers, we're proud to support them through thick and thin, and that the manager is the boss. Fergie didn't really help the situation with his famous speech about backing the manager etc...

We've seen recently with Arsenal and Chelsea, if things aren't going well then you need to be very vocal, and vote with your feet.

People are still singing Ole songs on a 25% win percentage. It's just bonkers.

I adore Ole as much as the rest but it's becoming painfully clear he isn't strong enough tactically. He should have spotted that the midfield was very weak and couldn't work in a 2 man midfield. Why on earth didn't he play a 3 man midfield to help cover our weakness?

Garner, even Tuanzebe as a DM in a 3 man midfield. We didn't need Mata on the pitch, he did sod all anyway.

What are Carrick / Phil Neville doing on the bench also? clearly they have no decent input or help guide him in a better way.

I'm all for Allegri / Poch to come in and completely rip up the coaching staff. We need a fresh start with zero yes men around the club.
 

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Genuine question - why are there no public, obvious protests against Ed? Theres no form of demonstration whatsoever which is surprising.