Goals + Assists in all competitions for Top 5 league players

[Flexdegea]

Not meaning to piss on anyone's bonfire, but if we focus on minutes between each goal/assist, then he jumps from 7th to 13th on that list. That being said: those are good numbers. Better than I thought, for sure.

I think the main issue I have with Rashford is that he can be frustrating to watch. He often makes the the wrong decision and his finishing could definitely be better. I guess it's the fact that he's so good at the other stuff that makes it frustrating. He's so close to being world class but he just lacks that final killer instinct. Then again, there's no City player on that list and they are doing just fine. We United supporters are perhaps a bit spoiled when it comes to strikers. Just look at this long list of world class strikers spanning over a period of less than 15 years: Cole, RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney and RVP. Had it not been for them, then I'm sure that people would be more happy with Rashford.

I'd say the main reason he drops down and ain't got more goals and assists is the games he got put out right to accomdate martial and cavani which is totally stupid. If I can see he no where near the same player on the right side.



He's putting up impressive numbers on the left and he been doing it in Europe too. Great to have in my eyes 2 elite attackers in the team now.

 

[ivaldo]

Not meaning to piss on anyone's bonfire, but if we focus on minutes between each goal/assist, then he jumps from 7th to 13th on that list. That being said: those are good numbers. Better than I thought, for sure.

Then if you take out pens, he jumps right back up again.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Rashford is a fantastic player every other club in Europe would love to have, the only reason he's frustrating is because we all know he can be even better than this. He's a Balon D'Or potential player (as is Martial) and he's still only 23 so he can certainly reach that level.

 

[elmo]

I'd say the main reason he drops down and ain't got more goals and assists is the games he got put out right to accomdate martial and cavani which is totally stupid. If I can see he no where near the same player on the right side.



He's putting up impressive numbers on the left and he been doing it in Europe too. Great to have in my eyes 2 elite attackers in the team now.

Only player he's accommodating is Martial.

That guy is stealing a living.

 

[elmo]

Rashford is a fantastic player every other club in Europe would love to have, the only reason he's frustrating is because we all know he can be even better than this. He's a Balon D'Or potential player (as is Martial) and he's still only 23 so he can certainly reach that level.

Potential means feck all if there's no application of it on the pitch which is what's happening with Martial.

We're going to be stuck with him because no club is going to pay him the money he's getting with us.

 

[tomaldinho1]

He’s on track to match/better last season which is what all really want to see. Consistency.

I think we know he’s not going to be hitting 40 goals a season but high teens/low twenties seasons on the bounce is elite level for a wide attacker.

 

[Withnail]

I don't understand why there is this thing called 'if you take away penalties' ? aren't they goals ? do you remember how bad we were at penalties before bruno ? we were constantly switching between penalty takers.

And again, you are cherry picking here, just like the people having an agenda against Rashford. One is a attacking midfielder while the latter is an attacker. Yes, Rashford has been excellent this year but he had why more chances to score more than Bruno yet he's behind on goals scored.

It's fairly simple.

If someone other than Bruno or Rashford was on pens Rashford would not be behind on goals scored.

It's never taken into account. Salah is widely considered a much better player but he's at his peak and has one less goal from open play than Rashford in all comps and two more in the PL. They've also both missed the same number of big chances in the PL (9) so Rashford at 23 is doing quite well.

 

[roonster09]

Where are these stats from? Whoscored (Source I typically use) has quite different stats, what made me even look to check is I didn't think Sancho had anywhere near that return this season?

Its from transfermarkt and for all competitions.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewandowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant
- Only 6 players have more goals + assists in all competition in top 5 leagues
- If you consider only open play goals + Assists, then only 4 players have more goals + assists (He is very close to 3rd and 4th placed Son and Kane)
- If you consider only open play goals only, still only 4 players have scored more than him. (Haaland, Lewandowski, Son, Lukaku)
- Mins per Open play goal + Assist - Only 6 players have better record than him.

Didn't expect Rashford to be that high up and so close to Bruno. I think my view of Rashford gets skewed as when he is poor he is a 3 out of 10. Just goes to show how much we are reliant on these two and how our team is built around maximising their output.

What is also surprising is City don't have any one in there showing they are basically a great team with no standout individuals.

 

[Andy_Cole]

I want to see the Jesse table.

Jesse will be top since moving to West Ham.

 

[The Original]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewandowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant
- Only 6 players have more goals + assists in all competition in top 5 leagues
- If you consider only open play goals + Assists, then only 4 players have more goals + assists (He is very close to 3rd and 4th placed Son and Kane)
- If you consider only open play goals only, still only 4 players have scored more than him. (Haaland, Lewandowski, Son, Lukaku)
- Mins per Open play goal + Assist - Only 6 players have better record than him.

Lukaku and Son are both tied with Rashford for open player goals at 18 each.

 

[SER19]

Interesting, if Rashford took penalties he'd probably be second highest g+a. Of course there are much more ways Iof rating a player beyond stats but rashford is clearly our most important player after Bruno

 

[Lewnited]

Bruno... nothing new, we know how good he is.

I was aware Rashford is doing well productivity wise, but had no idea how good his numbers are looking compared to other top players around Europe, very good to see.

His all round game (when he's not running head first in to players) has improved massively in the last 18 months or so as well. He's at a point now where if he isolates his man, he's getting past them more times than not which we haven't seen since Nani about 10 years ago.
Only thing remaining for him now is consistency in his decision making and a little more unpredictability instead of always trying to engineer the best opportunity to shoot.

 

[Gee Male]

Even in his purple patch, he was overperforming his XG by a long, long margin. I know people don't like xG much but it's one of the best footie related stats right now!

Seeing as how you seem to like XG, can I be rude enough to ask how it works taking last night's goal from Rashford as an example?

What I mean is - is the XG calculated at the point he receives the ball (if so, presumably calculated at 0.01 or something) or is it calculated at the point he takes the shot (presumably somewhat higher)?

 

[KM]

Seeing as how you seem to like XG, can I be rude enough to ask how it works taking last night's goal from Rashford as an example?

What I mean is - is the XG calculated at the point he receives the ball (if so, presumably calculated at 0.01 or something) or is it calculated at the point he takes the shot (presumably somewhat higher)?

When he takes the shot.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I thought Rashford was crap, or something.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Its from transfermarkt and for all competitions.

transfermarkt also counts penalties won as assists so that might explain Rashfords high numbers

 

[Annihilate Now!]

transfermarkt also counts penalties won as assists so that might explain Rashfords high numbers

To be fair, I've always thought that penalties won should count as an assist.

They're a better assist then some actual assists.

 

[Infra-red]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewandowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant
- Only 6 players have more goals + assists in all competition in top 5 leagues
- If you consider only open play goals + Assists, then only 4 players have more goals + assists (He is very close to 3rd and 4th placed Son and Kane)
- If you consider only open play goals only, still only 4 players have scored more than him. (Haaland, Lewandowski, Son, Lukaku)
- Mins per Open play goal + Assist - Only 6 players have better record than him.

Front four of Fernandes, Rashford, Sancho and Haaland would be pretty tasty...

 

[roonster09]

transfermarkt also counts penalties won as assists so that might explain Rashfords high numbers

He didn't win many this season

 

[Hansi Fick]

To be fair, I've always thought that penalties won should count as an assist.

They're a better assist then some actual assists.

Yeah, I don't disagree.

 

[Gee Male]

When he takes the shot.

Thanks.

It makes the stat essentially meaningless though in terms of looking at XG to goals scored over a period of time. Take Maradona's goal against England in 86 - if the XG is calculated at the time the shot is taken then it is probably close to 1. So if Maradona scores, then it is taken as a par - he is expected to score. Whereas if he misses, his stats are completely ruined over the course of quite a few games.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Rashfords is annoying because he should have had more.

You just know, the second he sorts out his decision making and gets slightly more clinical, I honestly think he'll be in the conversations of best in the world.

 

[KM]

Thanks.

It makes the stat essentially meaningless though in terms of looking at XG to goals scored over a period of time. Take Maradona's goal against England in 86 - if the XG is calculated at the time the shot is taken then it is probably close to 1. So if Maradona scores, then it is taken as a par - he is expected to score. Whereas if he misses, his stats are completely ruined over the course of quite a few games.

Well, it's not meaningless tbh. It is about the quality of shot rather than anything else. Maradona shot goal was easy and hence it's quantified like that.

Nothing about his run or anything.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

To be fair, I've always thought that penalties won should count as an assist.

They're a better assist then some actual assists.

Some of those dives demand a very high skill level.

 

[Bebestation]

Rashfords is annoying because he should have had more.

You just know, the second he sorts out his decision making and gets slightly more clinical, I honestly think he'll be in the conversations of best in the world.

The thing is - the most deadliest form I saw with Rashford was when Martial and Greenwood were on some nice form last season.

He is currently the only forward that shows consistency and on the other side; a player like Martial isnt even holding the ball up or making passes as well as he did just last season. Then theres Greenwood who is doing better things recently with the ball at his feet but is not scoring a goal at all.

Who is he supposed to interlink with and show some consistency? The guy is dribbling more by himself and shooting (I saw this before even the goal against newcastle) compared to the one two's he used to play with Martial because Martial is completely lost on the pitch at the moment. Then theres Greenwood on the completely opposite side to rashford who cant finish even if Rashford decided to cross etc.

Rashford needs team mates that can perform better than they have this season - yet arguably he is one of the main reasons we were competing for the title a few matches ago and remain 2nd in the table at the moment.

 

[MU655]

Stats from Premier League

Spoiler: Goals Scored per 90

Rank	Name	GoalsGL	AssistsA	PlayedP	Goals per 90
1​	Mohamed Salah (Liverpool)	17​	3​	24​	0.76​
2​	Ilkay Gündogan (Man City)	11​	1​	19​	0.68​
3​	Dominic Calvert-Lewin (Everton)	13​	0​	21​	0.65​
4​	Bruno Fernandes (Manutd)	15​	10​	25​	0.64​
5​	Jamie Vardy (Leicester)	12​	5​	21​	0.64​
6​	Harry Kane (Tottenham)	13​	11​	22​	0.61​
7​	Son Heung-Min (Tottenham)	13​	6​	24​	0.57​
8​	Alexandre Lacazette (Arsenal)	8​	2​	21​	0.54​
9​	Patrick Bamford (Leeds)	12​	5​	24​	0.52​
10​	Callum Wilson (Newcastle)	10​	5​	21​	0.5​
11​	Wilfried Zaha (Crystal Palace)	9​	2​	19​	0.49​
12​	Danny Ings (Southampton)	8​	3​	19​	0.46​
13​	Michail Antonio (West Ham)	6​	3​	16​	0.46​
14​	James Maddison (Leicester)	8​	5​	23​	0.44​
15​	Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)	10​	2​	23​	0.43​
16​	Raheem Sterling (Man City)	9​	5​	23​	0.43​
17​	Harvey Barnes (Leicester)	9​	4​	24​	0.43​
18​	Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (Arsenal)	8​	1​	21​	0.41​
19​	Marcus Rashford (Manutd)	9​	6​	25​	0.4​

Spoiler: Chances Created per 90

Rank	Name	AssistsA	GoalsGL	PlayedP	Chances Created	Chances per 90
1​	Jack Grealish	10​	6​	22​	65​	2.95​
2​	Bruno Fernandes	10​	15​	25​	61​	2.44​
3​	Kevin De Bruyne	10​	3​	19​	48​	2.53​
4​	Pedro Neto	4​	5​	25​	46​	1.84​
5​	Luke Shaw	5​	0​	21​	40​	1.9​
6​	Son Heung-Min	6​	13​	24​	37​	1.54​
7​	James Maddison	5​	8​	23​	37​	1.61​
8​	Jack Harrison	4​	6​	23​	37​	1.61​
9​	Andrew Robertson	5​	1​	25​	36​	1.44​
10​	Mateusz Klich	5​	3​	24​	33​	1.38​
11​	James Ward-Prowse	5​	5​	24​	32​	1.33​
12​	Aaron Cresswell	6​	0​	25​	31​	1.24​
13​	Raphinha	5​	4​	19​	31​	1.63​
14​	James Rodríguez	4​	5​	18​	27​	1.5​
15​	Raheem Sterling	5​	9​	23​	25​	1.09​
16​	Harry Kane	11​	13​	22​	22​	1​
17​	Roberto Firmino	5​	6​	25​	22​	0.88​
18​	Harvey Barnes	4​	9​	24​	22​	0.92​
19​	Marcus Rashford	6​	9​	25​	21​	0.84​

Spoiler: Assists per 90

Rank	Name	AssistsA	GoalsGL	PlayedP	Assists per 90
1​	Kevin De Bruyne	10​	3​	19​	0.53​
2​	Harry Kane	11​	13​	22​	0.50​
3​	Jack Grealish	10​	6​	22​	0.45​
4​	Bruno Fernandes	10​	15​	25​	0.40​
5​	Lucas Digne	6​	0​	16​	0.37​
6​	Raphinha	5​	4​	19​	0.26​
7​	Son Heung-Min	6​	13​	24​	0.25​
8​	Aaron Cresswell	6​	0​	25​	0.24​
9​	Marcus Rashford	6​	9​	25​	0.24​
10​	Luke Shaw	5​	0​	21​	0.24​
11​	Jamie Vardy	5​	12​	21​	0.24​
12​	Callum Wilson	5​	10​	21​	0.24​
13​	James Rodríguez	4​	5​	18​	0.22​
14​	Raheem Sterling	5​	9​	23​	0.22​
15​	James Maddison	5​	8​	23​	0.22​
16​	Timo Werner	5​	5​	24​	0.21​
17​	Patrick Bamford	5​	12​	24​	0.21​
18​	Mateusz Klich	5​	3​	24​	0.21​
19​	James Ward-Prowse	5​	5​	24​	0.21​

I still think there is massive room for improvement. He is beaten out by 18 players in the Premier League in terms of goals per 90. I think he is about 0.15 off the level we want him at. Sterling and Aubameyang etc. are around him, but they haven't been on their best form. So, he needs to aim higher.

I still think he needs to create more, considering he is a winger. But if he can up his goal-scoring instead, it won't be as much of an issue.

 

[Zhagzi]

Are you telling me we shouldn't have sold Rashford to go after Haller in the summer of 2019?


Name a single footballer who this statement doesn't apply to.

David Silva?