So the lads like a drink and use drugs, big deal, I'd be more concerned if they took up train-spotting or dress-making.
Greenwood and Williams dropped for drinking issues...
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Fair enough. On the other hand he is earning money 99% of guys in his age could only dream of. He could easily hang up his boots and find another job. If football is what he wants to do however, keeping yourself fit and stay disciplined is what he has to do. Got enough time to bang chicks and get drunk during summer.
Not saying any of these reports are true though.
Well it looks like this rumour has been destroyed... again.
Why do people bother making this sort of stuff up?
Why do people bother making this sort of stuff up?Weird that Williams has traveled though
Also strange that the skipper has a sudden knock as well and that Cavani's left out after talking up a return against his old team
It's not weird because it was made up.
I have seen a number of footballers contracts. Just because you've read an article like that - clearly trying to play up the irreverent nature of how some clubs do it and some of the unusual rules they may have, doesn't mean the players contract sets out a schedule of hundreds of specific rules designed to deal with every occasion. That's not how contracts generally work, and I know that since I draft them for a living. He will, of course have a general obligation to comply with team rules and behave reasonably overall and if not, can be punished, as we all can at work.Then you must be one of the worst to listen to on this subject
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...d-still-want-to-be-a-professional-673144.html
That aside, you've totally missed my point. He will know he's done wrong, and he's been punished for it in the best way - not being able to play football, which I suspect is the worst thing you can do to him. Imagine the club pointing out "...You're in breach of term X of your contract..."? How would you react to that as an 18 year old? It's like being at school. Do you not think it's be better for someone from the club to sit him down, tell him how it is and try to deal with it sensibly?
How do you know?
Its never about the act. It's about being responsible enough not to do it for 3 days on your first international call.
Nobody expecy them to celibate but just respect that it's not the time nor the place.
Given that literally a single lad on a podcast saying something in passing is the only source we have on this,I'm leaning towards you being right about that
players are not allowed to drink alcohol x hours/days before a game. It’s an established doctrine post Wenger.
They are also not allowed to have non team staff in their hotel bedroom.
You’ve been proven wrong. Your post is the absolute worst. That’s it. Nothing else to say.
He was an injury doubt for the Newcastle game then he picked up an injury during the game, nowt strange about it.
Thought he looked good though,better than he has as of late so didn't think it'd be serious enough to keep him out of a big tie like tomorrow.
Might've gotten reaggrevated in training.
No need do defend him IF he got himself in trouble and the rumours are true.
There must be consequence. People say he is young. He is but at the same time, there are plenty of young kids all around world that don't get in trouble. He is destroying his path to being a very good player.
There must be consequence. People say he is young. He is but at the same time, there are plenty of young kids all around world that don't get in trouble. He is destroying his path to being a very good player.
I say boot him, we should demonstrate that we won't allow even our brightest prospect to be acting like a petulant child. It'll hurt us in short term but future prospects will have an example of our ruthlessness, it will teach then to stay focused or get fecked.
The bomb has been planted
The bomb has been planted
Absolute bollocks. Maguire’s been dropped cause he got caught feeding Greenwood a bottle of Lambrini In Morrison’s while Williams was doing Poppers in the corner of Manchester Victoria.
Mostly excuses for Mason but when Marcus bought himself a name chain, hoo-boy!
Sort them out
I think you might be showing your age a bit here.Girls who may potentially go on to have modelling careers or becoming social media influencers is not exactly something that needs ‘sorting out’.
Especially if they go on to make good money, rather that than become an overworked, underpaid school teacher or a clerk that will be lucky to make 30k a year tops.
Why would anyone want that when they have potential for much more.
He was going through the motions late on, if we'd not used all the subs, or we were comfortably ahead he would probably have come off.
Sshh, ssshhhhhh
Yeah, but that was really ugly
Stop using his age as an excuse. Not everyone at that age is a thick buffoon, especially when you’re a professional getting paid mega money.
Pretty weird really some of the excuses said here for him. We all love him as a player but he needs to be absolutely punished for things like drinking that can destroy his career going forward. It's better for him to realize the route he's moving on outside the pitch is simply wrong and be corrected, rather than making excuses for him and acting like it's Ok.
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So both him and Williams are in the team for tomorrow after all...
Jesus, look at you lot gossiping like a bunch of housewives in the launderette. Nothing to see here but tittle tattle and hot air.
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You’d think at his age on his first call-up he’d be doing everything to impress and wouldn’t be quite so entitled to think he can do whatever the feck he wants. You’re right though - I’ll change the question. How many other players have been sent home from international duty? I don’t think it’s normal...It’s a pretty rare event.
You’ve also chosen some cracking company there to show everything is fine. Half of that list didn’t reach their potential and some ended up in sodding prison. You also need to distinguish doing “amoral” things in their personal lives such as Giggs and Terry shagging people and professionalism. How were Giggs, Cole and Terry habitually unprofessional players? How many games did they miss due to being unprofessional? He was sent home from his first international call-up and has missed 50% of games this season due to a discipline breach and now possibly another behaviour breach. If true, and hopefully it isn’t true, but if true you’d have to be sodding crackers to think it’s not a cause for concern.
And on Rooney - I remember a certain game he missed around Christmas which ultimately ended in defeat and cost us the league title. I’m not entirely sure why the argument is well Rooney did it so it’s fine - it wasn’t acceptable when he turned up to training pissed either. If he was slightly more professional we may well be on 21 titles and he may not have been finished at 31.
The first stage of grief is denial and that sure is being proven well in this very thread
Sorry but the daddy's dick video with the 15 year old, broken curfews, house parties, Ole complaining about lack of discipline and too much xbox at night, sneaking girls into his rooms breaking sports bubbles on his first ever England cap, getting caught on social media doing laughing gas and now getting dropped because he had too much to drink before a game. And this is within 3 MONTHS.
How is that 'normal' or par for the course for a 19 year old pro? You ever see Rashford doing that stuff? How about the youngsters at other teams like Saka, Mount, Martinelli etc? All model professionals.
Anyone who thinks this is not a cause for worry or just 'rumours' is kidding themselves and just doesn't want to consider the fact that Greenwood isn't professional enough.
When you compare him to Giggs and Rooney you're engaged in something called bargaining, another stage in the grief process, telling yourself he is allowed 4 beers before a game because George Best used to do it or something... Once is a stupid mistake by a teenager. Twice - okay fine, but how many incidents before some people accept that he has behaviour issues that need to be set straight?
Sorry but the daddy's dick video with the 15 year old, broken curfews, house parties, Ole complaining about lack of discipline and too much xbox at night, sneaking girls into his rooms breaking sports bubbles on his first ever England cap, getting caught on social media doing laughing gas and now getting dropped because he had too much to drink before a game. And this is within 3 MONTHS.
How is that 'normal' or par for the course for a 19 year old pro? You ever see Rashford doing that stuff? How about the youngsters at other teams like Saka, Mount, Martinelli etc? All model professionals.
Anyone who thinks this is not a cause for worry or just 'rumours' is kidding themselves and just doesn't want to consider the fact that Greenwood isn't professional enough.
When you compare him to Giggs and Rooney you're engaged in something called bargaining, another stage in the grief process, telling yourself he is allowed 4 beers before a game because George Best used to do it or something... Once is a stupid mistake by a teenager. Twice - okay fine, but how many incidents before some people accept that he has behaviour issues that need to be set straight?
Why is RedCafe allowing clear advertisement for someone’s YouTube channel that spouts complete bullshit?
Might not be in the contract every do and don't, but surely every club has an employee handbook they agree to as part of the overall contract signing. With the past of some of the players at clubs im sure all bases have been covered in regards to anything and everything that brings the player and club into disrepute..[/QUOTE]
Yeah is any of this even true? Seems like a lot of wasted arguing and gossiping otherwise.
This.
This. Very worrying behaviour indeed.
Some people like to feel good by taking the moral high ground, even if the whole thing is based on rumours. It's weird.
And how do you know it is true? where is even the tiniest evidence from a proper source?
1 person making up a story because Greenwood and Williams weren't in 1 match day squad, but now suddenly Williams is back and Greenwood isn't?
so are they both being punished? or did Greenwood drink a few beers more so his is longer?
Or perhaps Greenwood just has a small illness or an injury from training, nobody knows.
No it’s not. The only reason it’s flowing is because of people’s cognitive bias. They’ve bought into the narrative that Greenwood is a bad boy and will slurp up any rumour as a result. A media’s wet dream. This channels wet dream. Muppets will provide them clicks galore - easy money. They’re laughing
Given that literally a single lad on a podcast saying something in passing is the only source we have on this,I'm leaning towards you being right about that
And only 7 pages about it. Very dissappointing Caf, very.
The people calling for Greenwood to be kicked out of the squad - which seems to be a lot of people - are just....so...so stupid.
I honestly cant believe this. The witch-hunt for Maguire was bad, but at least he's a grown man. This is embarrassing.
"I don't care if he is fifteen, United players should hold themselves to a higher standard"
m9, our two biggest superstars were Georgie Best and Eric Cantona. Get a grip. You didn't hear the rumours about Lee Sharpe and Ryan Giggs back in the day?
I honestly cant believe this. The witch-hunt for Maguire was bad, but at least he's a grown man. This is embarrassing.
"I don't care if he is fifteen, United players should hold themselves to a higher standard"
m9, our two biggest superstars were Georgie Best and Eric Cantona. Get a grip. You didn't hear the rumours about Lee Sharpe and Ryan Giggs back in the day?
Just the 7 pages so far. Anything credible yet?
I agree. A YouTube channel run by a thug.
It’s also unsubstantiated and looking likely that it’s bs. So on that basis..
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