Have United fans become so unused to success that we are ready to accept failure?

[fastwalker]

United's record in the last 26 games (two thirds of a season) under Ole is as follows: 13 wins six draws and 7 defeats. Six of those seven defeats have come in the last 13 games (equivalent to a third of a season). In the last 13 games, out of 39 available points, United have won just 13 points. Over the last four games of the 2019/20 season United have won five out of 12 points.

My position on Ole is exactly as before, which is that if he does not get United top four this season he must be shown the door. It cannot be that we need to spend £80m on central midfielders to beat Palace at Old Trafford or a ten man Southampton side at St Mary's. That said, I am sure there will be a whole range of excuses for the performance today with responsibility targeted at everyone: the Board, the players, the referee, the opposition, the fans and almost everyone else. By contrast, the violins will be out for Ole again.

It is heart-breaking to see our once great club reduced to forking around in dustbins for scraps whilst our rivals eat at the top table.

Any thoughts?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Eh, have you read this forum?

 

[Volumiza]

 

[Raoul]

United's record in the last 26 games (two thirds of a season) under Ole is as follows: 13 wins six draws and 7 defeats. Six of those seven defeats have come in the last 13 games (equivalent to a third of a season). In the last 13 games, out of 39 available points, United have won just 13 points. Over the last four games of the 2019/20 season United have won five out of 12 points.

My position on Ole is exactly as before, which is that if he does not get United top four this season he must be shown the door. It cannot be that we need to spend £80m on central midfielders to beat Palace at Old Trafford or a ten man Southampton side at St Mary's. That said, I am sure there will be a whole range of excuses for the performance today with responsibility targeted at everyone: the Board, the players, the referee, the opposition, the fans and almost everyone else. By contrast, the violins will be out for Ole again.

It is heart-breaking to see our once great club reduced to forking around in dustbins for scraps whilst our rivals eat at the top table.

Any thoughts?

We are run by an investment banker, who is in turn hiring the managers. That should tell you all.

 

[Random Task]

United's record in the last 26 games (two thirds of a season) under Ole is as follows: 13 wins six draws and 7 defeats. Six of those seven defeats have come in the last 13 games (equivalent to a third of a season). In the last 13 games, out of 39 available points, United have won just 13 points. Over the last four games of the 2019/20 season United have won five out of 12 points.

My position on Ole is exactly as before, which is that if he does not get United top four this season he must be shown the door. It cannot be that we need to spend £80m on central midfielders to beat Palace at Old Trafford or a ten man Southampton side at St Mary's. That said, I am sure there will be a whole range of excuses for the performance today with responsibility targeted at everyone: the Board, the players, the referee, the opposition, the fans and almost everyone else. By contrast, the violins will be out for Ole again.

It is heart-breaking to see our once great club reduced to forking around in dustbins for scraps whilst our rivals eat at the top table.

Any thoughts?

Are you serious?

Take a look at the matchday thread or the umpteen threads at the top of the forum complaining about the state of the club. No is happy at the moment.

 

[DWelbz19]

You love a thread, don’t you? 185 posts and 18 threads. Nearly one every 10 posts. Impressive.

 

[M Bison]

I’m sure this has been said a million times before?!

My prediction is this thread will start off with criticism of Ole, followed by Ed then the Glazers. Moyes will be mentioned somewhere along the line and someone at some point will also suggest it’s all Neville’s fault.

Someone should start a thread “are we the most boring and repetitive fans in the PL?”

 

[bazalini]

Relegation form.

Come March we'll be bringing Mark Hughes in just to keep us up.

 

[Sandikan]

Who is accepting failure?
And what do you think is the alternative?

Some sort of protest outside Ed's house?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

In short - yes.

Coupled with a crippling desire to repeat Ferguson, and thus cling to anything that he is / was linked to.

Moyes benefited greatly from this link... Solksjaer is currently benefiting greatly from this link - while our (by far) most successful manager post-SAF, who isn't linked to SAF, is utterly loathed by many Utd fans...

 

[Judge Red]

I think we all accept failure is inevitable until Woodward is gone. Failure, bewildering decisions and ritual humiliation.

You could throw in the Glazers, too, but we did enjoy significant success under them when Gill and Fergie knew what they were doing.

 

[fastwalker]

You love a thread, don’t you? 185 posts and 18 threads. Nearly one every 10 posts. Impressive.

If United had a comparable conversion rate we would be a shoe-in for top 4.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

A lot of fans on this forum are more than happy to accept 6th place. You're not a real fan if you don't apparently.

 

[red thru&thru]

Manchester United fans are used to the board and owners of under investing and now are used to mediocrity.

 

[AJ10]

Have you not been on here much?

 

[JonDahl]

Half this board is infested with glory hunters, so no, they aren't ready to accept failure.

 

[redshaw]

United reward mediocrity, that's what I'm used to seeing

 

[Red_toad]

United fans support the team, that’s a constant. Success is a bonus, not a given. I mean why would anyone support anyone other than teams who win things if that’s all that was important. Southampton win feck all but have very passionate fans.
I’d suggest you read this forum or go on YouTube and see this ‘fans accepting failure’ as it seems to be an awful lot of complaining is going on. No one is accepting it, but fans are unable to rectify the issues.

 

[AshRK]

You must be living in the alternative universe.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Yeah we have. Time and patience is all we need.

 

[Leftback99]

'Accepting failure' suggests i can do something about it. If success is seen as top 4, unfortunately there at least 6 teams with the same aim which means at least two teams will 'fail'.

 

[Amadaeus]

United's record in the last 26 games (two thirds of a season) under Ole is as follows: 13 wins six draws and 7 defeats. Six of those seven defeats have come in the last 13 games (equivalent to a third of a season). In the last 13 games, out of 39 available points, United have won just 13 points. Over the last four games of the 2019/20 season United have won five out of 12 points.

My position on Ole is exactly as before, which is that if he does not get United top four this season he must be shown the door. It cannot be that we need to spend £80m on central midfielders to beat Palace at Old Trafford or a ten man Southampton side at St Mary's. That said, I am sure there will be a whole range of excuses for the performance today with responsibility targeted at everyone: the Board, the players, the referee, the opposition, the fans and almost everyone else. By contrast, the violins will be out for Ole again.

It is heart-breaking to see our once great club reduced to forking around in dustbins for scraps whilst our rivals eat at the top table.

Any thoughts?

You will be shocked towards how many posters on here will disagree with you with this. However, I agree. The problem first stems with our managerial philosophy. We are not playing good football. We should be beating those teams with the players we have if we play better football.

We are accepting mediocrity and the signs of this was there last season when Ole was made permanent manager.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

Relegation form.

Come March we'll be bringing Mark Hughes in just to keep us up.

A lad at my work actually said 'we need Mark Hughes to come in' the other day. I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, foul myself or what.

 

[fastwalker]

United fans support the team, that’s a constant. Success is a bonus, not a given. I mean why would anyone support anyone other than teams who win things if that’s all that was important. Southampton win feck all but have very passionate fans.
I’d suggest you read this forum or go on YouTube and see this ‘fans accepting failure’ as it seems to be an awful lot of complaining is going on. No one is accepting it, but fans are unable to rectify the issues.

That is simply not true. Not even remotely true. There is a disturbing level of acceptance of failure among United fans. Specifically amongst those who seem to believe that we need investment from the Board to beat Crystal Palace at Old Trafford and it's the Board's fault that we cannot beat ten man Southampton at St Mary's. The fact is that last Christmas we appointed an inexperienced, unproven former player to be our coach, in-game tactician, strategist, mentor, motivator, first team selector and squad rotator. The fact is that United are a stronger team now than we were last season, including in the first 10 games when Ole won eight times. For goodness aske Ole has been in charge for 2/3rds of a season. That said, whilst I am not advocating his sacking I am puzzled every time I read a comment that suggests this is not Ole's fault that we can't beat Crystal Palace and Southampton. That is to accept failure.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Half this board is infested with glory hunters, so no, they aren't ready to accept failure.

The glory hunters left years ago. There's no glory here anymore.

 

[fastwalker]

You will be shocked towards how many posters on here will disagree with you with this. However, I agree. The problem first stems with our managerial philosophy. We are not playing good football. We should be beating those teams with the players we have if we play better football.

We are accepting mediocrity and the signs of this was there last season when Ole was made permanent manager.

That made me laugh! Nice touch.

 

[Ban]

A what?