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I want to make the transition from ps4 to pc gaming. So I need help with the below. I have a below average knowledge of pcs so any help is appreciated.

Here's what I know/want:

Intel i9 processor (need someone to tell me the difference between for example i7 series 10 and i9 series 9, which is better)

16 GB ram (i think this should cover ram needs right?)

Nvidia rtx 30xx series. I know its not out yet but I heard its going to launch cheaper than the 20xx ti? Why is that so?

240hz refresh rate

And basically I have no info on anything else, like overclocking (whats that anyways?) or ssd etc.

Any help is appreciated

Budget is around 2/3k usd
 

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GPU: If you're going for the 3000 series of card, which with their pricing, you may as well at this point, you're definitely worth getting a CPU from this Gen.
As for why they're so much cheaper than the 2000 series cards, theirs a few things to consider.
1. RTX was new when it came out, so price of production was probably higher.
2 AMDs Big Navi is slowly catching up and with new consoles dropping at the same time, Nvidia have compeition.

It's also worth noting, the performance are nice on the 3080s, but it's not as some people will think. The 3080 is twice the power over the 2080, but when it comes to game performance and the extra benefits they gain, it's not 100% better. Instead of hitting 130 frames, you may get 150. (Game and engine dependant)
The big win for the 3000 series cards is the cost. They've been slashed in half, so you're getting a better GPU at half the price, but in game, it's not twice the performance of a 2080

CPU: Back to the CPU, either a i7-10700k or wait and see what AMDs new Zen 3 chips are going be like (The i9-10900k would probably be overkill at the price vs performance, and if I remember correctly, they benchmarked the i7-10700K vs an i9-9700K and the performance was almost equal at a much lower price. I am building my new machine soon and depending on what AMD do release, I'll either go with them, or with the 10700k

RAM: Because the cost of ram has dropped, I'd aim for 32gb at this point, but 16gb would more than cover what you need. Just make sure you get some decent speeds. I'd suggest looking at 3200+, but you'll need to overclock it in your bios

240hz. I assume you play a lot of FPS games.
I started off with a 165hz monitor. I made the switch to a 240hz and I honestly don't know if I know the difference. I'd have to drop my hz to do some comparisons, but I cant be bothered as theirs no need to drop lower.
Going from 30/60 of consoles to 144hz+ on PC is crazy different. I mess with a console now and its awful.
Different games will perform differently though. Apex is easy to run so I cap my 240 without a problem, yet something like Fallout 76 or The Division for example, that can easily drop to 80-140. Still playable, but you can sometimes tell, especially Fallout)

SSD is a must for gaming. Solid state drives retrieve data way quicker than the old HDD. Everything from booting windows, to loading screens in games are faster. It's always nice to get a decent HDD though as a secondary (Or in my case, my 8th storage unit on my PC - Not that I need it, I just collect storage over time and never fill it) storage to store basic stuff like pictures, music, documents etc is handy

Overclocking is ok. It's not necessarily needed though. You may squeeze a few extra frames in game by doing so. I think it really comes down to people wanting to push limits for fun. Also if you do want to overclock, definitely go with a watercooler.

Also mouse and keyboard. Do some research. I can offer some suggestions, but it's worth watching a guy called rocketjumpninja. He compares mouses, plays FPS games and he rates his best mice to use. I switched from what I thought was a great mouse, the Logitech G502 to a Cooler master MM710 and it was a game changer.

Also, buy a decent PSU

A few good people to watch on youtube are:
LinusTechTips
BitWit
GamersNexus - He goes way in depth and I find the videos a bit boring to be honest. The others keep it shorter, but he's still good

Also worth checking on the website pcpartpicker as you can build a machine and it will tell you if it has any compatibility issues
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You need to consider a form factor. Is it going to be a mid tower, or sff? Then pick a case to suit your needs. Do you need a quiet case, or case case with good air flow and obviously how it looks.

If you’re going for a mid-tower, which is the most popular case size then I’d get Z490 MSI unify motherboard. Supports pcie gen 4. Now, at the minute intel doesn’t support gen 4 but they will next year so I’d get 10600K as a stop gap if you’re going with Intel. It’s got a monstrous VRM so next years i9 should be absolutely fine.

Get 16GB of ram with low cas latency. 3200/3600 CL 14 should be in your price range.

You need to decide whether to go with an aio, cooler or if you want a custom loop. Id get aio. They’re all pretty good. I got Kraken Z63 for £181 but I overpaid by about £80 for aesthetics. You need to consider if that’s your thing.

Then I’d also suggest getting an nvme 2 gen 4 sabrent for next year as well. Whether it’s 500gb, 1TB or 2 it’s up to yourself.

3080 graphics cards which I don’t have much knowledge of how it performs but you’re not going to saturate a 240hz monitor at 1080p due to CPU limitations whether it’s i5, i7 or i9. Next year might change that but who knows.

This years intel offerings are all extremely good for gaming, and if you’re planning on just gaming I’d get the i5. You’ll not notice a difference. I got one myself and I’m waiting until next year to get an i7 or i9 on 10nm.
 

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcnxhg
This list isn't perfect, as I've just whipped it together, but it would be a great starting point.
That cost $1750 + 700 as the GPU doesn't have a price, so thats 2450.

Now expect to add an extra 10-20% on top to get it looking how you want with RGB and nicer ram etc
 

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RAM: Because the cost of ram has dropped, I'd aim for 32gb at this point, but 16gb would more than cover what you need. Just make sure you get some decent speeds. I'd suggest looking at 3200+, but you'll need to overclock it in your bios.
Okay i got lost here. What do you mean by speeds here? Isn't 16gb like 16gb? Whats 3200+?

240hz. I assume you play a lot of FPS games.
I started off with a 165hz monitor. I made the switch to a 240hz and I honestly don't know if I know the difference. I'd have to drop my hz to do some comparisons, but I cant be bothered as theirs no need to drop lower.
Going from 30/60 of consoles to 144hz+ on PC is crazy different. I mess with a console now and its awful.
Different games will perform differently though. Apex is easy to run so I cap my 240 without a problem, yet something like Fallout 76 or The Division for example, that can easily drop to 80-140. Still playable, but you can sometimes tell, especially Fallout)
Seeing as though I'm diving in and investing this much, I might as well go for 240hz

Overclocking is ok. It's not necessarily needed though. You may squeeze a few extra frames in game by doing so. I think it really comes down to people wanting to push limits for fun. Also if you do want to overclock, definitely go with a watercooler.
So overclocking won't make THAT much of a difference then? I'll avoid it then seeing as though I have no idea how watercooling works.

Also, buy a decent PSU
Power supply? Any recommendations?

Forgot to mention that I'm buying the parts from the US/UK if that makes any difference, seeing as though I'll surely not find the needed parts in Lebanon.
 

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I've built my own a few times but last time I decided to let it come assembled as there wasn't a lot of difference in price at the time and it's all guaranteed then.

I'm not suggesting building your own isn't the best way and it is certainly the most enjoyable but if you don't go down that road I would recommend https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/

They were great to deal with.
 

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I've built my own a few times but last time I decided to let it come assembled as there wasn't a lot of difference in price at the time and it's all guaranteed then.

I'm not suggesting building your own isn't the best way and it is certainly the most enjoyable but if you don't go down that road I would recommend https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/

They were great to deal with.
He’s from Lebanon so building one in UK and then shipping would add to the cost significantly.
 

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You need to think of the form factor as well. Paddling ergonomics is important apparently.
 

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Okay i got lost here. What do you mean by speeds here? Isn't 16gb like 16gb? Whats 3200+?

Seeing as though I'm diving in and investing this much, I might as well go for 240hz

So overclocking won't make THAT much of a difference then? I'll avoid it then seeing as though I have no idea how watercooling works.

Power supply? Any recommendations?

Forgot to mention that I'm buying the parts from the US/UK if that makes any difference, seeing as though I'll surely not find the needed parts in Lebanon.
RAM is the amount of memory, but the speeds are how quickly they perform (I think, not fully sure)

As for 240hz. It's a niche thing.
If you want to hit the high frames, sometimes you've got to drop graphic settings and almost always have to play at 1080p
Having a 240hz monitor doesn't automatically mean you'll get to play every game at this refresh rate.

I'm going to pick up a Samsung Odyssey G9 this year. For me it has a bit of everything for all games.
I can target 240hz for FPS games playing at standard widescreen, with some settings dropped and aiming for 1080p
I can target 120hz or so for adventure games playing at an ultrawide setting and hopefully aiming at 1440p

4k is just out of the equation, and most dont play at that anyway.

With watercooling, you can buy an all in one watercool system, it's worth it and easy to install, but yeah, overclocking isn't that powerful.

PSU - Get full modular, around 750-850w and go for Gold + and a reputable brand. Plenty to pick from
 

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You need to consider a form factor. Is it going to be a mid tower, or sff? Then pick a case to suit your needs. Do you need a quiet case, or case case with good air flow and obviously how it looks.
Genuinely no idea, whats better for air flow would be my guess.

If you’re going for a mid-tower, which is the most popular case size then I’d get Z490 MSI unify motherboard. Supports pcie gen 4. Now, at the minute intel doesn’t support gen 4 but they will next year so I’d get 10600K as a stop gap if you’re going with Intel. It’s got a monstrous VRM so next years i9 should be absolutely fine.
Can you give me more info on this? If i get the z490, should i not get the i7?

Then I’d also suggest getting an nvme 2 gen 4 sabrent for next year as well. Whether it’s 500gb, 1TB or 2 it’s up to yourself.
What do you mean here?

3080 graphics cards which I don’t have much knowledge of how it performs but you’re not going to saturate a 240hz monitor at 1080p due to CPU limitations whether it’s i5, i7 or i9. Next year might change that but who knows.
You're saying the 3080 won't perform to its full efficiency for 240hz?
 

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He’s from Lebanon so building one in UK and then shipping would add to the cost significantly.
I was thinking if the pc is easy to assemble then I could get the parts from the uk through one of my relatives. They're british nationals and keep going to the uk and back.
 

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You need to think of the form factor as well. Paddling ergonomics is important apparently.
Could you elaborate more? The last gaming pc I had was one of those huge towers that sounded like a jet engine.

I think pentium 3 was new :lol:
 

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RAM is the amount of memory, but the speeds are how quickly they perform (I think, not fully sure)

As for 240hz. It's a niche thing.
If you want to hit the high frames, sometimes you've got to drop graphic settings and almost always have to play at 1080p
Having a 240hz monitor doesn't automatically mean you'll get to play every game at this refresh rate.

I'm going to pick up a Samsung Odyssey G9 this year. For me it has a bit of everything for all games.
I can target 240hz for FPS games playing at standard widescreen, with some settings dropped and aiming for 1080p
I can target 120hz or so for adventure games playing at an ultrawide setting and hopefully aiming at 1440p

4k is just out of the equation, and most dont play at that anyway.

With watercooling, you can buy an all in one watercool system, it's worth it and easy to install, but yeah, overclocking isn't that powerful.

PSU - Get full modular, around 750-850w and go for Gold + and a reputable brand. Plenty to pick from
Okay I understand now about the quality, yeah it makes sense when you put it like that.
 

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcnxhg
This list isn't perfect, as I've just whipped it together, but it would be a great starting point.
That cost $1750 + 700 as the GPU doesn't have a price, so thats 2450.

Now expect to add an extra 10-20% on top to get it looking how you want with RGB and nicer ram etc
I actually like this build.

On another note, how hard is it to actually assemble the pc?

I've opened up old (pre-built) pcs and it was standard stuff. Parts bolted to the case and cables from one unit to another. How hard is it with the new gen of PCs? Is it fairly straightforward or do i need to watch 8 hour youtube tutorials?
 

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I actually like this build.

On another note, how hard is it to actually assemble the pc?

I've opened up old (pre-built) pcs and it was stand stuff. Parts bolted to the case and cables from one unit to another. How hard is it with the new gen of PCs? Is it fairly straightforward or do i need to watch 8 hour youtube tutorials?
A lot easier than you'd think.
I made my first a few years ago. Followed a bitwit video and it worked first time.
I made one for a friend during lockdown earlier this year and again, a success first time.

People, I myself, first time around, thought touching a GPU could blow it up etc, but they're pretty robust

Also, that build is ok, but would need some tweaking. I just threw it together quickly, but it's on the right lines
 

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Could you elaborate more? The last gaming pc I had was one of those huge towers that sounded like a jet engine.

I think pentium 3 was new :lol:
It's just if you're into light bondage apparently. Although I'm not sure whether it's just a console thing or if it's something to keep in mind when looking at PCs as well.
 

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Genuinely no idea, whats better for air flow would be my guess.



Can you give me more info on this? If i get the z490, should i not get the i7?



What do you mean here?



You're saying the 3080 won't perform to its full efficiency for 240hz?
Better airflow means better cooling. Better cooling means no thermal throttling which equates to better gaming experience. So getting a case with great air flow is paramount. I’d recommend Lian Li Lan Cool II. It’s one of the best cases out there.


Z490 Unify will be able to handle any cpu you throw at it because of power delivery and very good vrm. Not all motherboards have this but in my opinion, after extensive research, Unify is the best Z490 motherboard overall.

This is the difference between the CPU’s in terms of frames. You’ll get slightly and I mean slightly better frame time consistency on the higher end CPU’s but you’ll likely not notice it at all.

Price to performance for intel, you can’t beat 10600K. It can be overclocked to 5Ghz quite easily as well and with Z490 unify and a good all in one cooler you’ll absolutely be able to do it. Check Buildzoids overclocking videos, they’re very good and informative. He’s like Czech computer genius. His voice is annoying though. Anyway I digress, here’s the video for comparison:


In regards to 3080, in Rainbow Six Siege, you’re getting very high frame rates but only 10% difference between 2080ti and 3080 which shows that CPU can become the limiting factor. Still it would be for the most part inconsequential. You’ll not get the full efficiency of the 240hz monitor as there will be lots of games that will not hit that frame rate. You’re better off going with 1440 and 144hz which would be a sweet spot. Unless you’re a competitive gamer who’ll turn everything to low and try to hit those insanely high frames. I personally don’t see the point in that though.
 

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This is the PC build that I’m doing. Minus the white lian li cables. They’re nice but a bit too much RGB for my liking. I’ll just stick to black. Also I’ve got a more funkier AIO which I’ll also post a video to. All in all, I think it’ll look pretty fecking sick. Better than a PS5 or an Xbox ;)


 

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@Slevs check these videos out mate.

Buildzoid would be an authority on motherboards. If he says it’s good, it’s definitely good.

I got RAM tuned by this dude. You can pick it up on Overclockers UK. 2x8 GB 3600Mhz CL14 is 140 quid including delivery.

And then pick up a good GPU and you’re sorted dude. It won’t be just a good game PC — it’ll be an absolute beast of a system.

 

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Jebus that is going to be a hell of a system. I can't advise on parts, its way outa my PC budget.

But LTT is a great youtube to check out, Linus covers a lot of high end hardware and has some excellent guides for actually building the thing....which scared the life out of me the first time I built one.

 

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Wait till the new AMD big Navi cards are announced and see Nvidia's 30XX cards also come down in price even further.
 

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Wait till the new AMD big Navi cards are announced and see Nvidia's 30XX cards also come down in price even further.
Can’t see that happening considering nobody can get a hold of them and I don’t see the situation changing a lot by the end of October.
 

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Can’t see that happening considering nobody can get a hold of them and I don’t see the situation changing a lot by the end of October.
Big navi isn’t even getting announced until the end of October. Will probably have the same launch issues as well. Though hopefully Navi performs well as competition is always good for the consumer.
 

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GPU: If you're going for the 3000 series of card, which with their pricing, you may as well at this point, you're definitely worth getting a CPU from this Gen.
As for why they're so much cheaper than the 2000 series cards, theirs a few things to consider.
1. RTX was new when it came out, so price of production was probably higher.
2 AMDs Big Navi is slowly catching up and with new consoles dropping at the same time, Nvidia have compeition.

It's also worth noting, the performance are nice on the 3080s, but it's not as some people will think. The 3080 is twice the power over the 2080, but when it comes to game performance and the extra benefits they gain, it's not 100% better. Instead of hitting 130 frames, you may get 150. (Game and engine dependant)
The big win for the 3000 series cards is the cost. They've been slashed in half, so you're getting a better GPU at half the price, but in game, it's not twice the performance of a 2080

CPU: Back to the CPU, either a i7-10700k or wait and see what AMDs new Zen 3 chips are going be like (The i9-10900k would probably be overkill at the price vs performance, and if I remember correctly, they benchmarked the i7-10700K vs an i9-9700K and the performance was almost equal at a much lower price. I am building my new machine soon and depending on what AMD do release, I'll either go with them, or with the 10700k

RAM: Because the cost of ram has dropped, I'd aim for 32gb at this point, but 16gb would more than cover what you need. Just make sure you get some decent speeds. I'd suggest looking at 3200+, but you'll need to overclock it in your bios

240hz. I assume you play a lot of FPS games.
I started off with a 165hz monitor. I made the switch to a 240hz and I honestly don't know if I know the difference. I'd have to drop my hz to do some comparisons, but I cant be bothered as theirs no need to drop lower.
Going from 30/60 of consoles to 144hz+ on PC is crazy different. I mess with a console now and its awful.
Different games will perform differently though. Apex is easy to run so I cap my 240 without a problem, yet something like Fallout 76 or The Division for example, that can easily drop to 80-140. Still playable, but you can sometimes tell, especially Fallout)

SSD is a must for gaming. Solid state drives retrieve data way quicker than the old HDD. Everything from booting windows, to loading screens in games are faster. It's always nice to get a decent HDD though as a secondary (Or in my case, my 8th storage unit on my PC - Not that I need it, I just collect storage over time and never fill it) storage to store basic stuff like pictures, music, documents etc is handy

Overclocking is ok. It's not necessarily needed though. You may squeeze a few extra frames in game by doing so. I think it really comes down to people wanting to push limits for fun. Also if you do want to overclock, definitely go with a watercooler.

Also mouse and keyboard. Do some research. I can offer some suggestions, but it's worth watching a guy called rocketjumpninja. He compares mouses, plays FPS games and he rates his best mice to use. I switched from what I thought was a great mouse, the Logitech G502 to a Cooler master MM710 and it was a game changer.

Also, buy a decent PSU

A few good people to watch on youtube are:
LinusTechTips
BitWit
GamersNexus - He goes way in depth and I find the videos a bit boring to be honest. The others keep it shorter, but he's still good

Also worth checking on the website pcpartpicker as you can build a machine and it will tell you if it has any compatibility issues
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This pretty much covers everything, but I'll add my thoughts as well.

GPU: Check out sites like Userbenchmark which will give show you GPU-specific FPS rates of different games based on the settings you choose. I'd strongly suggest waiting for the 3000 series to drop - you get a far superior peformance from a 3080 by paying a little more than you would for a 2070 super, while the 3070 would perhaps cost the same as the 2070 Super. The new RTX series also boasts of real-time ray tracing, so that is another massive motivation. (If you're into deep learning as well, the boost in CUDA cores is also very significant)

CPU: Don't just stick to Intel, AMD has produced some really brilliant competition on this front. You could save some money here by sacrificing a little performance - look the Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 series (new entries underway) as well. But if you have the budget and want top of the line, nothing beats the i9 10900k as of now.

RAM: If you're going for 16gb, get 2 8gb cards, or if you're getting 32, get 2 16gb cards, 3200Mhz would be very helpful, but you can get away with 3000Mhz as well, depending on your use cases.

Refresh Rates: I personally don't think you'll notice the difference post 150-160 fps in any game. The initial jump till there is very noticeable, but after that the benefits taper off. For instance, I used to play Apex on my laptop at 20-30 fps (don't ask) and I barely got into Silver-I/Gold rankings. On a smurf account from a friend's PC, I jumped to high-Gold/Diamond on 120 fps. Unless you're really really good at the game, it's not worth going beyond a 144hz/165hz on a Full HD/1440p display.

SSD: Crucial, like mentioned above. Go for an NVME M2 1tb +

OC-ing like Igor said is a vanity exercise more often than not. I would struggle to think of why you'd need anything OC-ed if you have an i7/i9 10th gen on a RTX 3000 card with good RAM and SSD. Similarly, RGB lighting everywhere is another vanity expense that ends up costing a lot of $$. You don't need RGB cooling/RAM/fans/etc. per se - a fancy cabinet with good cooling and RGB fans is more than enough. But again, that's your call, so choose wisely because RGB adds a lot to your bill.

Once you have your basic build figured out - calculate what PSU you need here. If your needs are 80W (say), go for a 100W PSU. Corsair CX has the whole range covered, iirc.

Invest a lot in your gaming chair, a good XL sized table pad with ample space for a good cutom DPI mouse (Razer/Logitech) and a keyboard which takes care of ghosting and has media controls. Check the recommended distance between screen (depending on size/aspect ratio) and your chair, and make sure you have bandwidth of >100mbps to actually make your hardware count - it's pointless having a 3090 on an i8 10th gen if you have 300ms ping on Apex.
 

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcnxhg
This list isn't perfect, as I've just whipped it together, but it would be a great starting point.
That cost $1750 + 700 as the GPU doesn't have a price, so thats 2450.

Now expect to add an extra 10-20% on top to get it looking how you want with RGB and nicer ram etc
I'm liking this build and am going to slowly start getting the parts that are not dependant on the cpu and vga, since I want to AMD's Ryzen and the rtx 3080 shipping dates.

Can anyone tell me if the below parts' functionality would differ if the CPU and VGA are different?

PSU corsaid 850W W 80+Gold certified ATX
32GB Ram ddr4-3600 g skill ripjaws
Motherboard asus rog b460 ATX
Ssd 1tb nvme
Hdd 2 tb
Case nzxt h510 atx mid tower case
Monitor benq xl2546 24.5" 1920*1080 240hz monitor

In other words, which psrts from the above list would remain the same regardless if I:

1) Bought an i9 or amd cpu instesd of the i7

2) bought an AMD vga instead of the RTX 3080
 

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I'm liking this build and am going to slowly start getting the parts that are not dependant on the cpu and vga, since I want to AMD's Ryzen and the rtx 3080 shipping dates.

Can anyone tell me if the below parts' functionality would differ if the CPU and VGA are different?

PSU corsaid 850W W 80+Gold certified ATX
32GB Ram ddr4-3600 g skill ripjaws
Motherboard asus rog b460 ATX
Ssd 1tb nvme
Hdd 2 tb
Case nzxt h510 atx mid tower case
Monitor benq xl2546 24.5" 1920*1080 240hz monitor

In other words, which psrts from the above list would remain the same regardless if I:

1) Bought an i9 or amd cpu instesd of the i7

2) bought an AMD vga instead of the RTX 3080
Motherboard would be the only thing with a comparability issue.
Some boards are for AMD or Intel and depend on generation.
RAM is ok, as long as its DDR4, which that is
 

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Motherboard would be the only thing with a comparability issue.
Some boards are for AMD or Intel and depend on generation.
RAM is ok, as long as its DDR4, which that is
Would you recommend to get the Z490 MSI?
 

Igor Drefljak

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Would you recommend to get the Z490 MSI?
If you want to go Intel, then sure.
As far as good and bad boards go, its not really a speciality of mine.
I think it depends on what you need.
How many M.2 slots. Sata ports, overclocking capabilities and being wireless etc
 

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Starting to get the needed parts slowly but steadily. Need help on something.

I'm looking at the Z490 MSI MPG Gaming Plus motherboard.

Can anyone tell me if this board has wifi built in or not? I can't seem to find a clear page that says it has wifi built in.
 
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