If Rashford hits another purple patch, will it change your mind on him?

[Sandikan]

It's almost like when he's scoring 30 a season people love him and when he has spells struggling they don't.

 

[crossy1686]

It's almost like when he's scoring 30 a season people love him and when he has spells struggling they don't.

People are always harder on their own, and there's a suggestion that Rashford only plays well when he wants a new contract. Either way, people will love him again if he finds form, until then he will come under scrutiny as a massive earner at the club.

 

[Real Name]

No. I hate his guts.

 

[ThierryHenry]

He's better than Theo, but it's funny how reminiscent the Rashford debate is to how Arsenal fans discussed Walcott from 2009-2017.

 

[rimaldo]

No. I hate his guts.

the only correct answer. at home, we call shit marks down the toilet bowl “rashers”

i’ll shout “who’s left a load of rashers in the bog, again!!” knowing full well that it was me.

 

[wolvored]

It's almost like when he's scoring 30 a season people love him and when he has spells struggling they don't.

Hes scored 30 goals one season, last season. Of course people will compare as he hasnt kicked on from that. Hes entering his prime years and there is still no indication whether these next few years are going to be good or bad.

 

[SteveCoppellFan]

Rashford is just one player of a front 6 that are not performing, the manager needs to sort out a system that gets everyone of those 6 playing as a unit.

Its like we are back to the Ole days where we hope a moment of brilliance we get us a win.

Really thought ETH was better than this and needs to sort it out asap.

We have been Down Tools FC for a few years now, it is so common it has become a habit with a lot of these players.

The urgency is just not there.

 

[CloneMC16]

If Rashford scores 10 in the next 10 games, most would go back to loving him. If he provides G/A, he's going to get plaudits.

I like Rashford, but I think he has major flaws in his game. They become extremely apparent when the G/A dries up. When he walks around the pitch and gives up on his defensive contribution when he's not scoring, it's going to piss people off. If he's going to be our main attacking threat, we can't afford for him to be as streaky as he usually is. We need a more consistent player.

The only way Rashford could make me change my mind on him is to massively improve his decision making. Stop running into 3 defenders and smashing a shot into their legs.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

I don't really care that much about the goals. Ruud was our top scorer and scored 21 league goals in 05/06, but we still became a much better attacking team when he left. The fact is that Rashford's general play has always left a lot to be desired, and I can't see that changing.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Until people realize that Rashford is a wide forward and not a winger we will always have these discussions. Rashford is a 20 goals and assist player that goes at people, cuts in and shoots. Thats his game. He also goes in streaks like other strikers. Rooney did this for example. Hoping and judging him that he's not a Giggs or crossing player is like having a go at Scholes for his tackling or Messi for his work rate. This is the player he is and always has been. Now we can argue then we need a different profile of player and I would agree but the manager thinks otherwise. Personally I think its not his choice because we can never sell our golden boy. This is the ethos of the club.
Now yes he is paying sht and when he does he's no use to anyone. However the one defense I will have of Rashford is that our team is not built to carry him. We have Rashford that scores 90 percent of the goals and Bruno that creates 90 percent of them. If you want to be a big team then you have multiple sources of goals and multiple sources of assists. Then when your main guy is having a dry spell other people step up and he has time to put his head down and work his way to form. All that happens now is that he will get bashed which just makes it worse and its a spiral because of the pressure that leads to lack of confidence. We are basically Spurs. They have Son and Maddison. Those two in form and everything is great. If not they will drop like flies. When Bruno and Rashford find form we also will be fine. But then look at Arsenal/City/Liverpool with their multiple sources of creativity and goals and you will see how a top team should be. If one of thier forwrds has a dry spell it will hardly be noticed

 

[Born2Lose]

Until people realize that Rashford is a wide forward and not a winger we will always have these discussions. Rashford is a 20 goals and assist player that goes at people, cuts in and shoots. Thats his game. He also goes in streaks like other strikers. Rooney did this for example. Hoping and judging him that he's not a Giggs or crossing player is like having a go at Scholes for his tackling or Messi for his work rate. This is the player he is and always has been. Now we can argue then we need a different profile of player and I would agree but the manager thinks otherwise. Personally I think its not his choice because we can never sell our golden boy. This is the ethos of the club.
Now yes he is paying sht and when he does he's no use to anyone. However the one defense I will have of Rashford is that our team is not built to carry him. We have Rashford that scores 90 percent of the goals and Bruno that creates 90 percent of them. If you want to be a big team then you have multiple sources of goals and multiple sources of assists. Then when your main guy is having a dry spell other people step up and he has time to put his head down and work his way to form. All that happens now is that he will get bashed which just makes it worse and its a spiral because of the pressure that leads to lack of confidence. We are basically Spurs. They have Son and Maddison. Those two in form and everything is great. If not they will drop like flies. When Bruno and Rashford find form we also will be fine. But then look at Arsenal/City/Liverpool with their multiple sources of creativity and goals and you will see how a top team should be. If one of thier forwrds has a dry spell it will hardly be noticed

A guy who takes 28 shots with 17 of them blocked and only 1 goal to show for it, would never get in the starting eleven at another top club. If you go for personal glory rather than go for the right pass at City then Pep will rightfully tear a strip off you.

Rashford's selfishness and the "lack of creativity" at United are inexorably linked.

How many of those 17 blocked shots could have resulted in a goal if Rashford had looked for a pass rather than being selfish?

If we lack creativity how is Bruno always around the top of the key passes stats in every competition?

It's because Rashford is selfish and wastes so many potential goal scoring opportunities.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

One scores 90% of our goals, the other creates 90% of our goals, yet the tactics aren't designed to carry them... What else is next?

 

[L1nk]

The team are so bad going forward himself and Bruno are the only ones that can create a chance themselves, much like it was under ole. We are more moments FC now than we were then. There is simply no plan to the attack. Drop rashford and Bruno and we wouldn't even be moments FC, we would just not score

When we dropped Rashford and Bruno against Crystal Palace we played them off the park and scored 3 goals, as a team.

 

[Melville Red]

To answer the threads question, NO.
I would go as far as saying that after his purple patch we really should have put him up for sale, Jesus how on earth does Levy sell Kane in his thirties and with only one more season on his contract for nigh on £100 million when we get stuck with players and end up allowing them to walk away with nothing or giving them stupid contracts.
Could we not poach Levy from Spurs? He really gets the best value for that club.

 

[UpWithRivers]

A guy who takes 28 shots with 17 of them blocked and only 1 goal to show for it, would never get in the starting eleven at another top club. If you go for personal glory rather than go for the right pass at City then Pep will rightfully tear a strip off you.

Rashford's selfishness and the "lack of creativity" at United are inexorably linked.

How many of those 17 blocked shots could have resulted in a goal if Rashford had looked for a pass rather than being selfish?

If we lack creativity how is Bruno always around the top of the key passes stats in every competition?

It's because Rashford is selfish and wastes so many potential goal scoring opportunities.

Here is the problem. We are not City. Rashford is not a tiki taka player. Thats the point I was making. Stop expecting him to be something that he's not. We are a transition team. Give it to Rashford and he can take millions of shots team. How do I know? Because the manager does not stop him. There is only 2 options. Ten Haag has told him over and over to cross and pass and he is doesnt give a fk what Ten Haag says. Or thats what he's been instructed to do. The first doesn't seem likely does it. So the plan is to transition quickly and give it to Rashford to do his thing. Thats the plan like it or not. If you are waiting this Man City football with Rashford turning into Grealish or something then you will be waiting a long time.

 

[Spaghetti]

Yes. A player is rightly judged on his current form.

 

[matherto]

If he has a purple patch it will only be temporary and that's not what we need .

I mean, it’s better than him not having one.

We need ANY player to have a purple patch right now.

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

Interesting comparison to Ronaldo. Both burst onto the scene as raw teenagers, capable of moments of brilliance but also frustrating moments of self indulgence and poor decision making.

Ronaldo evolved and improved into a world class forward and joined Real Madrid for a world record fee at 24.

Marcus is almost 2 years older than Ronaldo was, yet it seems he's scarcely evolved as a more rounded footballer than he was when he was 18.

Exactly.

One concession you have to give Rashford is the teammates around him. Ronaldo had Scholes and Rooney (v/s Bruno and Martial for Rashford). At the same time, can you imagine if Rashford became an aerial threat or saw passes in the final third before every spectator and opposition player did. He would be such an incredible asset.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

When we dropped Rashford and Bruno against Crystal Palace we played them off the park and scored 3 goals, as a team.

Joke palace team in a joke cup

 

[Em765]

Rashford perfectly encapsulates what we are, we are a moments team and he is a moments player.
Bruno to a lesser extent is the same.
Capable of producing brilliance but fundamentals and building blocks are missing.

Theyre a penthouse without foundation and I kinda made peace with that.

Yes the fact we smashed Palace in the cup attests to that, sometime you need players to do the simple and common things well.

 

[fallengt]

Unless he hits purple patch every season, No

 

[glazed]

The thing is the team do create space for him. Movement around him is acually very good, but he ignores everything.
Only Haaland has had more shots in the league than Rashford. 28 shots....1 goal

There was a moment when Hojlund had an easy through ball to him on a perfect run against Palace and he skied it instead. A better team would mean a better Rashford. It's really less about individuals at the moment and more about the the meshing of a new team and a newish style.

 

[L1nk]

Joke palace team in a joke cup

Regardless of the team or the competition, does it change what I said?

Palace beat us 1-0 with not much resistance on the weekend then, and i'm sure you'll say well it was Palace's proper team, as if our team isn't millions of pounds more expensive and apparently "better"

 

[garelo]

Until people realize that Rashford is a wide forward and not a winger we will always have these discussions. Rashford is a 20 goals and assist player that goes at people, cuts in and shoots. Thats his game. He also goes in streaks like other strikers. Rooney did this for example. Hoping and judging him that he's not a Giggs or crossing player is like having a go at Scholes for his tackling or Messi for his work rate. This is the player he is and always has been. Now we can argue then we need a different profile of player and I would agree but the manager thinks otherwise. Personally I think its not his choice because we can never sell our golden boy. This is the ethos of the club.
Now yes he is paying sht and when he does he's no use to anyone. However the one defense I will have of Rashford is that our team is not built to carry him. We have Rashford that scores 90 percent of the goals and Bruno that creates 90 percent of them. If you want to be a big team then you have multiple sources of goals and multiple sources of assists. Then when your main guy is having a dry spell other people step up and he has time to put his head down and work his way to form. All that happens now is that he will get bashed which just makes it worse and its a spiral because of the pressure that leads to lack of confidence. We are basically Spurs. They have Son and Maddison. Those two in form and everything is great. If not they will drop like flies. When Bruno and Rashford find form we also will be fine. But then look at Arsenal/City/Liverpool with their multiple sources of creativity and goals and you will see how a top team should be. If one of thier forwrds has a dry spell it will hardly be noticed

Just because you are a player who specialised at cuts in and shoots doesnt mean you have to be super greedy and ignoring your teammates all the time, heck even the most selfish footballer of all time aka Cristiano Ronaldo had higher assist stats than him:

https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo

some people here would be happier if we win 1-0 with rashford scored the only goal than 3-0 with rashford got 3 assists i guess....