beingshe7don
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If Sancho (108m) is the supposed superstar we will get, I would get Van De Beek (25m), Badiashile (20m), and Zakaria (20m)
This was exactly the point I made later.Bad idea to go for players in the premier league. All the teams have lots of money so will rinse you and charge 200% of what the player is actually worth, if not more. For Grealish at £65/75m, we can get Van de Beek at £30m. For Chilwell at 60m, we can get Reguillon or Telles for 30m. Maguire was 80m and Upamecano had a release clause at €50m earlier this summer. Thiago is priced at 30m right now.
Gotta be smart with our purchases... sometimes you go all out for the generational talent like Sancho, but other than that, its very dumb to go for the most expensive option as we need both quantity and quality.
Agreed. For me it's a false dichotomy, because signing the superstar is supposed to strengthen the squad by strengthening your first eleven and pushing the previous starter on the bench. Also I assume that @Wumminator isn't actually talking about a star but a more expensive player, the reason Sancho is more expensive than Grealish because he is already far better and should increase the gap in the coming years while Grealish isn't even clearly better than our starters, he would be a nice squad option if he was actually cheap but he isn't and it's the same for the others, I wouldn't spend 30m on Badiaschile that's just silly at this point of his career.I really don't like abstract comparisons. In theory I'd say that strengthening your squad is a better option, but we have to consider the market options – and I don't think that there's a set of players available for us in needed positions (DM/CB etc.) at the moment. While signing Sancho is as close to a certain success as it gets, basically like the Hazard signing that we've missed out on.
Grealesh, Brooks and a 45m CB? Not for me, no (plus, Grealish is going to cost more than that).
My thinking exactly. Thanks for saving me the typing.We need both depth AND world class quality, unless Liverpool and City fall of a cliff i doubt we will challenge next year, so honestly as long as we dont squander our money on more duds, im happy.
If i had to choose though, i would say go for depth. Not that i dont want Sancho, but 120 million is a steep fecking price and we have to consider hes actually unproven in the EPL
Yeah that would be good, only set us back £450m+The current side will only become title contender with such additions in one window:
Sancho
Jimenez
Grealish
Niguez
Chilwell
Upamecano
Now I don't know how many millions will all of them cost together but if we can find quality players in the budget on similar positions that will be a coup. It is a test of our scouting and recruitment team, which am sure they will fail. Liverpool built their squad like that and only did marquee signings when they were ready to challenge for the titles.
Well obviously the superstar alluded to is Sancho who is English, our big signings that you are alluding to right as flops are all the foreign ones I would assume. Bryan Robson, Keane, Cole, Ferdinand, Rooney were all huge deals as well, most of them records at the time. That is a pretty good history to say the leastLook at the history of huge signings of superstars, and judge based on that.
Well the problem there though is who is going to pay big money for them? It goes for a lot of our players expensive or not fee wise, but there are plenty of other players should hold decent value we could consider selling if its a case of sacrifice:option 3, do you sell a pogba or a martial to help rebuild, like liverpool had to do with coutinho. no coutinho gift and no liverpool title this year. or do we just accept that we probably arent going to be much stronger next year and take our time. downside to that is, if we aren't better the pressure to sack ole will mount and we will be back to scratch with ronald koeman saying he needs to buy a new 11 players to come fourth
Woah, not bad. I found one Lingard fan. FinallyI take the star right now. I trust our defense enough, but backup for our attackers might not be enough if we want to fight on many fronts.
I still have some faith in Lingard though unlike most people here. Sadly he will not get enough games to turn his form around.
As I said in Sancho-thread. I don't think he is the answer and I would not splash 100m on a player. He might be very good player. It is not about his ability. It is about getting most for the team. So to make it short. Better with 3 or 4 good squad players instead of one player.So it seems if we listen to rumours that Sancho will cost 105 million up front. That might leave say - 15/20 million left to strengthen the squad.
This would be a significant upgrade.
On the other hand - if Brooks is say 30 million and Grealish 50. That would leave us 45 million to sign a cb. We wouldn’t have as strong of a first team, and these players might be on the bench. But we’d have players to bring on.
There is a lot of assumptions here of course. I’m just wondering what you would do. Prices I’ve listed might be wrong and I don’t want to go down the x player is worth x amount route. More so, what is the correct way forward?
We need a star in attack, I'd go for Sancho. We have very good front three, but they will be inconsistent and in need to rotate.So it seems if we listen to rumours that Sancho will cost 105 million up front. That might leave say - 15/20 million left to strengthen the squad.
This would be a significant upgrade.
On the other hand - if Brooks is say 30 million and Grealish 50. That would leave us 45 million to sign a cb. We wouldn’t have as strong of a first team, and these players might be on the bench. But we’d have players to bring on.
There is a lot of assumptions here of course. I’m just wondering what you would do. Prices I’ve listed might be wrong and I don’t want to go down the x player is worth x amount route. More so, what is the correct way forward?
Yeah honestly believe that Sancho wins us that semi final on Sunday, so should go and get him now then focus on what AM & CB we can bring in after selling some players afterwardsDortmund may have said they want £108 million but we don’t know if they’d take a bit less as we’ve not actually bid for Sancho yet, if we offered £95 million they’d probably take it in the current climate.
Then move on sellable or unwanted players like Romero if Henderson is coming back, Dalot, Bailly, Jones, Rojo and Pereira which could bring in £40-£45 million. We’ve saved a hell of a lot of money over the last year in wages moving Sanchez, Lukaku, Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Valencia and Darmian all on and only added Fernandes, Maguire, AWB and James in that same time.
A lot of places in the squad are going to be filled bringing players through from the under 23’s like Laird, Mengi, Garner, Levitt and Mejbri much like Tuanzebe, Williams, McTominay, Rashford and Greenwood before them.
It’s quality that’s needed rather than quantity which is how we’ve ended up where we have as we had a bloated squad of squad players rather than standout quality, Sancho is a game winner and could often be the difference between 3 points and a point in the league or winning a cup.
I like Brooks and he looks a decent player but he much like Douglas Costa, Chiesa and Coman are squad players that won’t elevate us nor build on this season and we’re in the Champions League next season not Europa.
Yes we also need a defensive midfielder, a centre back if Tuanzebe can’t stay fit, a left footed left back alternative to Shaw and cover for Fernandes BUT we’ve got a clear shot at the biggest English talent in years who’s not far from already being world class and who at 20 years old could provide us with over a decade of his quality so if it’s just Sancho or fill the squad with squad players for depth then I pick Sancho every time.
Not a big fan, but I think he can do more than he has shown the last two seasons.Woah, not bad. I found one Lingard fan. Finally
P.S. Personally, I don't rate him at all, but appreciate your stance
Bang onSancho and cement top 4. Then next summer go for CDM and CB or whoever.
Yeah time to go down the quality route, should try for Upamecano as well with money we can make from player salesSancho. Quality over quantity. We've gone the quantity route over the past few years and it's largely been a disaster.
Sensible approach, do you think Smalling has the recovery pace to bail out Maguire when required, so who would you go as an additional option in the midfield then just out of interest?I'd sign Sancho, bring back Smalling for competition/depth (I know it won't happen but I'd do it,) try to generate some addition funds through the selling of Lingard, Pereira and co, and see if it were possible to sign another option in midfield. I'd also love to strengthen our fullback options, but that might have to wait.
Yeah this post sums it up perfectlySancho. It's a long shot to win next season regardless, so to me it's better to make the best decision for what our final product (our best chance at winning) will look like in 2-3 years. You can acquire depth whichever summer you want because by definition they're depth and you can find replacements any summer.