Marcky411
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I'm going to ask my non-United mates this, beings as it's a question I've never posed before.Yes, Cantona. I have plenty of non-United supporting mates who happily recognise that.
When he came to Leeds and then moved to United, the Premier League was only beginning and had nothing like the worldwide appeal it enjoys now. Serie A was king and all of us, from Ireland and England to Asia and South America were intoxicated by it.
Cantona was the first footballing megastar in England. There have been others since and elsewhere but very few had the same effect as the Frenchman did on English football.
Like Maradona, Baggio or Batistuta in Italy, like Messi and Ronaldo in La Liga or like Zlatan and Neymar in Paris, Eric was the single biggest draw for the early Premier League at the time it needed him most. He takes more responsibility than any other individual player for the status of the league in world football now.
Anyone who doubts that simply wasn't around for the leagues formative years or is allowing an anti-United bias to cloud their judgement.
I wasn't lucky enough to be a fan of United during Cantona's time, but after reading his biography (the Philippe Auclair,) I have no doubt that he was every bit the legend many claim him to be.He was far more than numbers could ever tell.
I think you underestimate the impact he had. He was the catalyst that put us on the road from being also rans to being the biggest team on the planet, and in turn dragged the league out of the 80s and gave it a personality that the FA have marketed the hell out of until the present day.
I know we're United supporters on a United board, but c'mon!
Is there even a player who can lay claim to that, solely, since the PL's inception? If so, how, or why?
Spot on! Cantona was the catalyst for making United and the Prem what they are today. No two ways about it. He had a bigger impact on the English game than any player before or after. Not even debatable unless someone started watching after 1997.Yes, Cantona. I have plenty of non-United supporting mates who happily recognise that.
When he came to Leeds and then moved to United, the Premier League was only beginning and had nothing like the worldwide appeal it enjoys now. Serie A was king and all of us, from Ireland and England to Asia and South America were intoxicated by it.
Cantona was the first footballing megastar in England. There have been others since and elsewhere but very few had the same effect as the Frenchman did on English football.
Like Maradona, Baggio or Batistuta in Italy, like Messi and Ronaldo in La Liga or like Zlatan and Neymar in Paris, Eric was the single biggest draw for the early Premier League at the time it needed him most. He takes more responsibility than any other individual player for the status of the league in world football now.
Anyone who doubts that simply wasn't around for the leagues formative years or is allowing an anti-United bias to cloud their judgement.
Honest question - did you start following the game and United after 1998? That would make this understandable. You fail to realize what Cantona did. Do read that Planet Football article on him and you'll start to perhaps get a sense of the magnitude of his impact. Keegan, Wenger... these feuds and clashes would never have occurred at all if there were to be no Cantona. We'd not have the league dominance and we would likely have lost Fergie too if we'd failed yet again (we were 5th when Cantona joined).I'm going to ask my non-United mates this, beings as it's a question I've never posed before.
I don't buy it, though.
Established world stars coming into the league was always the thing - the wankfest over someone like Klinsmann, was on another level because the league was absolutely devoid of these kinds of players beings as they had no reason to be here over Serie A and then La Liga.
Outside of United, and on a league scale, everything went up a number notches once we (United) started playing giants of Europe.
I don't think any one player was responsible for the explosion of the league, personally.
Cantona elevated our profile to heights untold, but I don't see the connection between that and the league at large. Great attacking teams and the age-old rivalries did that, or Fergie himself and his infamous clashes with Keegan and Wenger.
That's my take, anyway.
I think you're conflating two things here. My post prior to responding to yours directly stated my thoughts on what Cantona did for us and I said that, without question he would be the next in line for a statue. I've never given much thought to what he would've done to the league at large, until I read what you posted.I think you underestimate the impact he had. He was the catalyst that put us on the road from being also rans to being the biggest team on the planet, and in turn dragged the league out of the 80s and gave it a personality that the FA have marketed the hell out of until the present day.
I watched a United before Fergie arrived, so no, not post -'98.Honest question - did you start following the game and United after 1998? That would make this understandable. You fail to realize what Cantona did. Do read that Planet Football article on him and you'll start to perhaps get a sense of the magnitude of his impact. Keegan, Wenger... these feuds and clashes would never have occurred at all if there were to be no Cantona. We'd not have the league dominance and we would likely have lost Fergie too if we'd failed yet again (we were 5th when Cantona joined).
As for the league, the PL was shiny and new, but still trailed the Serie A in particular by miles when it came to a global base. United led the PL's charge in overseas popularity. And United were propelled by Cantona. Really, I don't know what I could say, but as someone who lived through it all, I can tell you that I know fans of all hues who readily admit that Eric Cantona just has to be the most influential player in the league's history (even if not the "best" at anything specific. Maybe kung-fu?). Cantona's emergence was the perfect storm. Great player, mass media explosion, big money with United, best manager going and of course the "Class of '92)... None of this would be folklore though if not for The King.
i agree totally with that i our darkest hour jimmy murphy kept uniteds light shining to prove to the football world the man united will never die god rest you jimmyJimmy Murphy
I dunno why but this post made me feel weird in a sad way.A nondescript man in his thirties, wearing a cloth cap, with upturned collar and shoulders hunched against the rain and cold.
"The Unknown Fan"
George Best was way bigger. El Beatle to millions who had barely any interest in football at all, and one of the top players that ever lived for those that did. Best got more world-wide publicity in a month than Cantona in a career. I'm a Cantona fan too, but your statement isn't just debatable, it's wrong.Spot on! Cantona was the catalyst for making United and the Prem what they are today. No two ways about it. He had a bigger impact on the English game than any player before or after. Not even debatable unless someone started watching after 1997.
That's a brilliant shout. Was the start of a great era and also allows players like Giggs / Scholes to be recognised too.
He is talking about EPL I think.George Best was way bigger. El Beatle to millions who had barely any interest in football at all, and one of the top players that ever lived for those that did. Best got more world-wide publicity in a month than Cantona in a career. I'm a Cantona fan too, but your statement isn't just debatable, it's wrong.
Way to make me feel old.He is talking about EPL I think.
Agree about El Beatle, nobody can match his mystic, that aura. I mean even my parents were not born when he played for us, but you just need to watch a 3min video of him(no I have even watched full matches yet) to get that feel. He is electrifying, the first superstar of English football.
tbh my mom must have been 1 year when he scored that goal, and my dad was not born yetWay to make me feel old.
I jumped out of my chair when he scored that goal against Benfica in the European Cup Final.
No offense intended but I'm assuming you a little too young at the time he played?I dont know why people buzz off Cantona so much (no offense). He was here for 5 seasons and apart from winning the double and league a few times he doesn't come close to the likes of Rooney, Neville, Giggs, Scholes. Good player but so over rated.
Pure arrogance as a player too, in a good sense.No offense intended but I'm assuming you a little too young at the time he played?
Cantona really was the difference maker. We had a good team with some battlers and excellent pro's but he was the catalyst. The world class player in his prime and the presence he brought. Signing him made us Champions and then when that team broke up he was the most important player when Giggs, Scholes, Beckham etc; were coming through and making their mark. It says it all we won the league 4/4 times he played a full season (2 of which were doubles). The reason we didn't win the league was his suspension. He retired and we won nothing the next season.
92/93 - first league in 26 years
93/94 - first club double
94/95 - suspended most the season won nothing
95/96 - double
96/97 - won the league
97/98 - he'd retired we won nothing
So for Footballing reasons and for everything else he meant he absolutely would be my choice for a statue. In my lifetime (born in 1985) not one single player had the impact on the club as much as Cantona. It was instant and took us to a level we hadn't seen in over 20 years.
Yeah, he was filthy. A nutter and in a great way too. By all accounts everybody at the club loved him and so Fergie. Just watch the way the likes of Beckham and Giggs talk about him. If we have another player in the next 20 years that equals his impact we are in for a lot of fun.Pure arrogance as a player too, in a good sense.
I think of him as a bit if a Zlatan+ in modern terms.
I'd also be more than happy to see Robson get a statue. A better leader and tougher player mentally and physically you probably can't find.Bryan Robson.
He gave his all for the club playing through pain and injury as well as turning out with some players who had half of his ability. He could have moved if he wanted but he stayed and finally saw that elusive title.
Spot on close the threadNo offense intended but I'm assuming you a little too young at the time he played?
Cantona really was the difference maker. We had a good team with some battlers and excellent pro's but he was the catalyst. The world class player in his prime and the presence he brought. Signing him made us Champions and then when that team broke up he was the most important player when Giggs, Scholes, Beckham etc; were coming through and making their mark. It says it all we won the league 4/4 times he played a full season (2 of which were doubles). The reason we didn't win the league was his suspension. He retired and we won nothing the next season.
92/93 - first league in 26 years
93/94 - first club double
94/95 - suspended most the season won nothing
95/96 - double
96/97 - won the league
97/98 - he'd retired we won nothing
So for Footballing reasons and for everything else he meant he absolutely would be my choice for a statue. In my lifetime (born in 1985) not one single player had the impact on the club as much as Cantona. It was instant and took us to a level we hadn't seen in over 20 years.
Probably yes this. Your post has had me most convinced. Even though I did state he was brilliant earlier when I saw him (nearer to the end) so I don't need to defend his (lack of) quality.No offense intended but I'm assuming you a little too young at the time he played?
Cantona really was the difference maker. We had a good team with some battlers and excellent pro's but he was the catalyst. The world class player in his prime and the presence he brought. Signing him made us Champions and then when that team broke up he was the most important player when Giggs, Scholes, Beckham etc; were coming through and making their mark. It says it all we won the league 4/4 times he played a full season (2 of which were doubles). The reason we didn't win the league was his suspension. He retired and we won nothing the next season.
92/93 - first league in 26 years
93/94 - first club double
94/95 - suspended most the season won nothing
95/96 - double
96/97 - won the league
97/98 - he'd retired we won nothing
So for Footballing reasons and for everything else he meant he absolutely would be my choice for a statue. In my lifetime (born in 1985) not one single player had the impact on the club as much as Cantona. It was instant and took us to a level we hadn't seen in over 20 years.
Speak like a true man, mate. Kids. You can't win anything with kids.Kids would get scared, club would get sued.
The obvious solution is a statue depicting a ginger version of Cantona. Ginger beard too.
On second thought kids would get scared by that too, but they can piss off. Football's become far too family friendly as it is, we should make a statement.
If I was a mod I'd ban you, worst post I've ever read on this site.I dont know why people buzz off Cantona so much (no offense). He was here for 5 seasons and apart from winning the double and league a few times he doesn't come close to the likes of Rooney, Neville, Giggs, Scholes. Good player but so over rated.
Let's hope!Yeah, he was filthy. A nutter and in a great way too. By all accounts everybody at the club loved him and so Fergie. Just watch the way the likes of Beckham and Giggs talk about him. If we have another player in the next 20 years that equals his impact we are in for a lot of fun.
Klinsmann came to England 2 years after Cantona. Zola 4 years after in the same year Shearer lit up Euro 96. Cantona helped raised the profile of the league to one players like Klinsmann and Zola would even consider joining. I'm not sure either would've picked pre-Premiership English football ahead of the more glamorous options on the continent.You go back to that time period and Klinsmann was a player with a world profile, Shearer became a megastar because of Euro '96 and when the likes of Zola arrived there was a shock off his name alone (that he would even come to England).
Thank heavens your not then. Damn you horrible person who doesn't share the same views as me.If I was a mod I'd ban you, worst post I've ever read on this site.