Il Fenomeno Draft - R1 - P-Beam vs Crappy

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Šjor Bepo

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Tactical switch at the start

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4-3-3, direct, attacking with interchangeable front three

The intention: build around Eusebio and give him a playmaking platform behind with a rapid attack which is capable of interchanging, along with overlapping and full of energy fullbacks on each side.

Inspiration: Zidane's Madrid or at least his way of thinking.... "Use the players’ natural gifts to determine their role and ultimately the shape of the team". Now, that also sound as something Florentino would say, but it did work to an astonishing effect. When it worked...

Now, did I got the intended set-up? No. Do I like the final product? More then the one I intended.


The curious case of falling in love with your 12th pick
or the story of White Ronaldo




My tactic was done by the round 11. Many will take excluding Hidegkuti as a minus. But, I watched enough of Andriy at his peak last few days to be sure that Hidegkuti playmaking can be compensated with Scholes and Falcao behind while knowing what exactly Shevchenko brings to the table.
To really buy into this tactics you will have to take Lobanovsky famous "The White Ronaldo" nickname seriously.

Was Sheva that good? Isn't he just a regular striker who lost his way once the pace was gone? Yes to the first one as I will give you few 10 out 10 performances of his in this era. The second one if is beautifully feckin illustrated by this profound peace of football knowledge...

Sick Boy:
It's certainly a phenomenon in all walks of life.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
What do you mean?
Sick Boy:
Well, at one time, you've got it, and then you lose it, and it's gone forever. All walks of life: George Best, for example. Had it, lost it. Or David Bowie, or Lou Reed...
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
Some of his solo stuff's not bad.
Sick Boy:
No, it's not bad, but it's not great either. And in your heart you kind of know that although it sounds all right, it's actually just shite.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
So who else?
Sick Boy:
Charlie Nicholas, David Niven, Malcolm McLaren, Elvis Presley...
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
OK, OK, so what's the point you're trying to make?
Sick Boy:
All I'm trying to do is help you understand that The Name of The Rose is merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
What about The Untouchables?
Sick Boy:
I don't rate that at all.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
Despite the Academy Award?
Sick Boy:
That means f*** all. The sympathy vote.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
Right. So we all get old and then we can't hack it anymore. Is that it?
Sick Boy:
Yeah.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton:
That's your theory?
Sick Boy:
Yeah. Beautifully f***ing illustrated.

At his peak he was combining pace, power, technique, movement and intelligence regularly drifting wide and freeing space for those behind him to come in. He especially loved that right side from which Eusebio will attack the center more often then not. But, more in the discussion that follows... If Sheva comes out of it as the player he was seen in an era of his dominance I will gladly take that.

Conclusion: it will be a high-scoring game, it will give my team a headache dealing with Di Stefano's ability, but good luck on the other side too. After all, Eusebio lived and died in those high scoring games. And have a feeling Falcao & Stoichkov would love to be part of it.



Team Crappy


Match Tactics

Defense
- Sammer at his peak libero role takes charge at the back aided by two rock solid CBs in Chumpitaz and Gentile. On flanks Mcgrain and Alaba will have the license to gallop down on flaks on attack while they will fall back to form a tight unit at back with no gaps when opposition has the ball. Sammer would also frequently step into the midfield to orchestrate play from the back and add more strength there as required.

Midfield - Edwards and Van Hanegem will be further aided by Di stefano and Sammer in midfield region. At times Di stefano will go up top and Van Hanegem further to take up an advanced role with in turn Sammer stepping into the midfield as a DM ahead of defense.

Attack - Dzajic plays the typical left forward cum winger role free to run at the defence, Romario will stay up top and stretch defenders to create space for Di Stefano who will add further support up top if and as required or he will play drop deep to contribute to midfield play. Alaba and Mcgrain will also contribute attacking wise and further stretch the pitch for opposition's defenders.

Peak selection insight:
  • Southall - FWA player of the year in 1985, won double in 84, league in 86, PFA team of the year in 86,87
  • Sammer - Won Ballon'dor in 96, Euros in 96, CL in 97
  • Chumpitiaz - defender of the year in 69 and 71 for CONMEBOL
  • Gentile - UEFA team of the tournament 1980, 1982 WC win, FIFA All star team WC 1982, 2 Serie A wins
  • McGrain - Scottish FWA player of the year in 77, 2 league wins, 2 cup wins
  • Alaba - Part of UEFA team of champions league for all those 3 years
  • Edwards - 3rd in Ballon'dor in 1957
  • Van Hanegem - Dutch footballer of the yeat 71, 74 WC runners up, league win in 73, UEFA cup in 73,
  • Di Stefano - Ballon'dor in 57 and 59 along with CL wins
  • Dzajic - 3rd in Ballon'dor in 68, Euros performance in 68 (Top scorer, team of tournament)
  • Romario - CL top scorer 92, 94 WC Golden ball and team of the tournament, FIFA world player of the year 1994
 
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You don't have to put it since I really don't want to mess with Zanetti peak, just put it under. Zanetti at DM, Bonhof on RB.

Or whatever.
 

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10/10

When would you give it? At what game taking all circumstances in count. Baresi was probably 11/10 in that WC1994 final.

After that, it was Shevchenko.

(notion: this was previous to his peak)

The gold standard of a modern strike. Pace, power, technique, movement and intelligence and he loved to drift all over the place. The thing about Shevchenko is that he was a complete striker, but his movement was second to none. That exact space that Eusebio will attack.


And followed by this humiliation of Nesta.


Never, ever was someone's stocks falled down as Shevchenko's. And me and my drunk partner @P-Nut will make it right!!
 

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Wondering about that tactical switch a bit. It leaves Dzajic up against Bonhof, which isn't quite the same as having Zanetti there.
 

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Can crappy's formation pic be resized? It's horrendous.
 

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Both very good teams, not sold on McGrain + Alaba as wing backs and would prefer Wim at LCM. Apart for that it's great.

Beam's team is excellent Falcao-Scholes is like a wet dream.
 

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So, apart from wingbacks in a 3-5-2 it is great.

With wingbacks being essential.
Yes they are essential that's why i said i didn't like it!
The Dzajic, Ads , Romario trio is lovely though, it's hard not to like it.
 

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On my phone so just quickly browsing and you look like two well constructed, evenly matched teams with solid constructs in place. Will look more intently at home
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Why drop Hidegkuti instead of Scholes?

....... Hidegkuti......
Falcao........Bonhof

In a a standard 4-2-3-1 would be more balanced than either of your formations imo.
In what world is this
Sheva
Stoichkov - Hidegkuti - Eusébio
Falcão - Bonhof​

more balanced than this?

Stoichkov - Sheva - Eusébio
Scholes - Falcão
Bonhof​
 

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In what world is this
Sheva
Stoichkov - Hidegkuti - Eusébio
Falcão - Bonhof​

more balanced than this?

Stoichkov - Sheva - Eusébio
Scholes - Falcão
Bonhof​
Bonhof as Holding DM isn't ideal and Scholes-Falcao offer pretty much the same than complement each other.

Hidegkuti offers more creative help to forwards and sports really cracking goal scoring stats on top of it.
 

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Bonhof as Holding DM isn't ideal and Scholes-Falcao offer pretty much the same than complement each other.

Hidegkuti offers more creative help to forwards and sports really cracking goal scoring stats on top of it.
It's not Bonhof at DM.

Falcao and Scholes don't offer the same as this is Scholes in his regista role playmaking from the deep while Falcao is a b2b. I watched Hidgkuti against England and I don't like the idea of that version going in Scholes/Falcao zone.
 

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Bonhof as Holding DM isn't ideal and Scholes-Falcao offer pretty much the same than complement each other.

Hidegkuti offers more creative help to forwards and sports really cracking goal scoring stats on top of it.
This is Scholes in his aged years who had barely any goals in him and orchestrated play, alongside one of the most dynamic midfielders of the type at the peak of his powers. They aren't alike other than both being able to hit tremendous passes and retain the ball forever and a day.
 

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Damn you Jim.
This Sheva thing is partly pushed by one of your previous post. :wenger:

I would like to hear crapppy's thoughts on this though as it looks like it's my thread, but no way I will buy Alaba and Mcgrain as wingbacks in this match. With Mcgrain being a sole width provider on the right. It's plain strange.
 

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build around Eusebio
Doesn't happen too often, or am I wrong? I like that.

But I must admit I'm not 100% sold on Sheva being the right fit for that role, partly based on the videos. He supect he could get into Eusebio's way a bit too much, although I may simply not get the plan.
 
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Doesn't happen too often, or am I wrong? I like that. But I must admit I'm not 100% sold on Sheva being the right fit for that role, partly based on the videos.
Look at his movement, in Dynamo days he preferred to attack the right side mostly although he was just all around. For example...


It is not strange that Kaka thrived behind him.
 

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Oh wow.. I am losing this ..

Not buying Alaba as a wing back? Why would you not. He is a fine attacking player on left. Only thing one can say having more attacking minded full back like Alves is better in this set up and I would agree but to say someone line McGrain is a "weak" point makes no sense. He provides solidity at the back, can play a role attacking wise. Moreover it will allow Sammer to step in midfield more often.
 

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I don't understand all this tactical switch business.

Jim beam has two formation pictures up there and probably has gotten benefit for both. Those who liked his inital formation probably already voted for him, those who did not and liked second, then voted based on that. How do you differentiate between the two? Are those who voted for first formation be asked to reconsider?
 

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Oh wow.. I am losing this ..
First of all you don't hint the score. Second, you should already be way behind.

Picking Dzajic as a winger with no one, but Mcgrain on the right? Take Van Hanegem on the right too? Okay not much problem with that since the whole team is absolute wreck.

Alaba isn't a wingback and for as sure as feck neither is Mcgrain in this zona mista set up.
 

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Why do people think that Zanetti at DM (how good was he there?) + VVD + Ciro + Bohnof can effectively nullify Romario, Dzajiic and Di Stefano.

The peak Dzajic left someone like Vogts on the ground. Romario and Di stefano need no introduction.