Can you provide proof on your last paragraph...didn't think so, absolutely garbage emotional politics from yourself there.
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I can keep going if you want me to
And of course the most recent one is the whole Stormy Daniels payment which he has proven to be lying on several occasions
The man is quite clearly senile
Do you think hanging gay people in town squares is cool?
No lol. What is your issue? Are you against peaceful protests for example??
Definitely willfully ignorant. There's pages upon pages of proof that this man clearly has dementia. He lies almost on a daily basis
What?? Stormy Daniels haha like anyone cares.
Nobody cares abou his twitter either and his supporters think he was right with Bannon and Tillerson. Please go on...
If Obama did the same things Trump did you would probably bring out the pitchforks
I have to give it to you, that was a great WUM. Got me hook, line and sinker. Fess up, you're joking, right?
The CIA does?
If Obama did the same things Trump did the world would be in a far better place.
Is that racist enough for your moral nourishment?
Pompeo does, I forgot that he had moved to State.
@Van Gaalacticos It's not a question of Trump vs other leaders, but more on what options the rest of countries have.
The JCPoA is a agreement which brings all parties to the table to work out a mutually acceptable solutions. It may be a compromise, but a step in right direction when common interest take priority over the differences.
Economic sanctions (which will replace the JCPoA) are a dreadful way about to go about making change. For example, the most imapcted by Iraqi sanctions was the food industry as Iraq imported 40% of their food. It lead to food scarcity, starvation which affected the common people far more than the government. Same here with Iran, where food and medicines have become so expensive and unavailable to common people. Rather than work for a common goal, it just pushes path sides apart in a ego driven pissing contest that will have no winners.
Why people are objecting is due to fact that Trump thinks he can bully his way into a better deal...which is never going to happen. The geopolitics of the region has been that progress can only be made in small tentative steps and JCPoA is the first few of them. So pulling out of a agreed document is just Trump brandishing his ego where no one apart from him and Bolton can see the benefits.
The JCPoA is a agreement which brings all parties to the table to work out a mutually acceptable solutions. It may be a compromise, but a step in right direction when common interest take priority over the differences.
Economic sanctions (which will replace the JCPoA) are a dreadful way about to go about making change. For example, the most imapcted by Iraqi sanctions was the food industry as Iraq imported 40% of their food. It lead to food scarcity, starvation which affected the common people far more than the government. Same here with Iran, where food and medicines have become so expensive and unavailable to common people. Rather than work for a common goal, it just pushes path sides apart in a ego driven pissing contest that will have no winners.
Why people are objecting is due to fact that Trump thinks he can bully his way into a better deal...which is never going to happen. The geopolitics of the region has been that progress can only be made in small tentative steps and JCPoA is the first few of them. So pulling out of a agreed document is just Trump brandishing his ego where no one apart from him and Bolton can see the benefits.
This book?
You might be interested in this interview with the other name on the cover , Tony Schwartz
"Trump appeared to have convinced himself that he had written the book. Schwartz recalls thinking, “If he could lie about that on Day One—when it was so easily refuted—he is likely to lie about anything.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
Really? Obama wasn't even President yet and he was already the anti-Christ, Arab, etc. He cried when 6 and 7 year old kids got murdered in school and apparently the tears were fake. And I've said before, no decent human being hates Obama and loves Trump.
Are you referring to Iraq and the alleged WMD here?
No, not sure what you're implying.
Obamas biggest controveries was having Dijon mustard on a hotdog and wearing a tan suit, compared to cheating on your pregnant wife with a pornstar, paying off the pornstar with campaign funds then denying it and worst of all, colluding with one of the biggest enemies of the west just to win an eleciton.
Is that factual enough for whatever stupid point you were trying to make?
Just a few of many
https://armscontrolcenter.org/wp-co...k-An-Expert-The-Iran-Deal-Two-Years-Later.pdf
https://www.nonproliferation.org/cns-experts-respond-to-the-us-withdrawal-from-the-iran-deal/
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/s...ran-complying-nuclear-deal-yes-small-hiccups/
http://www.payvand.com/news/18/jan/1038.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...akh-seeks-talks-with-azerbaijan-idUSKBN1IA2VK
And what have of emotional of pulling out of the agreement when 97% of scientific experts says that Global warming is human cause? What kind of experts trump have? How you can trust them with their blatant partisan interests?
I can't see any benefits for the US. But I can see why both Israeli and Saudi leaders are quite happy about this. Pulling out of the JCPoA would seem to benefit those two states more than anyone else.
Yes like I said the American people won't vote on the basis of his twitter. They probably like that he is still so outspoken.
Good post BTW. Insightful and appreciated. Cant say that I agree with your sentiments as to why this has taken place but can see what you are saying.
Would be nice if there was a peaceful end to this, I'd love to know what intelligence Trump has got myself, it could be a game changer in this whole conversation. The point seems to be that the US does not believe Iran is as complient as many others are saying they are.
Fair enough, I had a feeling that would be a weak point but it was only in response to someone who said he is illiterateThis book?
You might be interested in this interview with the other name on the cover , Tony Schwartz
"Trump appeared to have convinced himself that he had written the book. Schwartz recalls thinking, “If he could lie about that on Day One—when it was so easily refuted—he is likely to lie about anything.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
You do realize most celebrities use ghost writers to write books?
Not having a convo about global warming though.
You cannot prove Trump has less or less credible intelligence sources than the people you cite. Stop pretending you can.
Still waiting on you to tell us which of his policies you support
Either way, it was a joint agreement. Right way would have been for US (as part of the coalition) to work with the coalition to enforce/enhance wherever the drawbacks are. Trump's actions look like knee jerk and literally showcases that US is not willing to work with anyone. Seems to his tone against, Canada, Mexico, Europe etc.
Sorry getting so many replies haha.Pretty much all of them thinking about it. Which one do you have the biggest problem with?
Give specific examples, say your 3-4 policies of hos that you support the most.
Errr...So US people that personally are working in the surveillance of the JPOA and none partisan security experts is none credible sources? did you even open the links?
To be fair I see what you mean but it' not really in Trump’s nature to settle into talks and negotiate. He's maybe taken it a bit too far by completely violating the agreement but agree with the reasoning behind it though negotiations would have perhaps been the better option for now...unless he's tried and done that behind closed doors, doubtful but maybe.
Leaving this thread before i pop a vein
I'm not saying they aren't credible, I'm saying you and nobody else on this forum knows what intelligence is credible and who is providing the most credible information regarding this. In Iraq we were assured they did have WMDS and now we seem to be told that everyone (except US, Israel & SA) thinks Iran don't have any. You just don't know enough to say, there is clearly intelligence you and I are not party to.
It's quite possible that he has never read a book cover-to-cover.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/
He gave Michael Wolf unfettered access to the white house because he liked the photo accompanying his negative article about Trump. It's likely he hasn't read a tweet start to end.
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Defending the 2nd amendment in the US
Stopping immigration from the 7 countries that didn't provide background checks of potential migrants.
Getting rid of Obamacare
Slashing US corporate tax rate and taxpayer rates.
I like them all, which of his policies is your least favourite?
DId alright in the end though didn't he. Are people seriously questioning his literacy?
Calling Mexicans rapists, taking away healthcare from people, ramping up deportations, sexually assaulting women, mocking disabled people, etc
What should the alternative be? Because without any it's not really an actual policy, just a vague intention to dismantle anything Obama did.
I Don't know the intel that trump have, but I know the intel of what experts on the matter says and I know the fake intel that the US and UK government gave to the public to get their way around Iraq Invasion. I know the kind of experts that says the opposite than the whole scientific community. Also we know how untrustworthy Tump is and that he lies more than he talks.
I am sorry but I will stay at the safe side of the occam razor, not about you guessing that trump experts has some sort of intel that says the opposite than the whole international community experts in the JPOC
Who did he sexually assault?
The disabled reporter thing was unfortunate but he didn't target the disabled. He mocked the reporter in the same way he has mocked others. Not great but nothing to get over excited about either.
Depends who he has deported that he shouldn't have? Unless they shouldn't have been there and we're dangers to others. Which deportation did you have an issue with?
I' not saying Mexicans are rapists but illegal immigration leads to crime, it's just a fact due to the difficulties of gaining income when you are an illegal immigrant. He may have been wrong to use those words however.