And no one outside of a United forum would ever say this.
You'd be surprised. I know a couple of Liverpool fans and a fair few Everton fans that seriously overrate the guy and think we'd be mental to get rid of him.
Yeah if only he had signed that one special CB to allow him to play 352 because we don't have enough defenders currently to use it. Just like last year he needed that one winger who he was going to convert into a wing-back to play 352 because we didn't have anyone capable of playing as a wing-back. Or maybe just maybe he isn't planning anything of the sort.
No quotes but we did play all but one game in pre season with 3-5-2.
Wasn't that down to limited personnel though?
Yea because you know everyone who isn't a member of a United forum. I know Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool supporters who think he's solid. He kept Salah and Kane in his pocket twice each last season
No
Pretty much. Formations in preseason mean nothing. Especially when half the first team was not available. Most of the players we had who were first team worthy were CBs so we played more of them.
If we wanted him, it should have been before the World Cup. Or did we make the decision of wanting him because of his impressive World Cup?
And I know people who thought Cleverly was quality and we should buy Evans back, it's certainly not consensus opinion and I obviously didn't mean literally everyone.
He would have been a huge improvement.
Dont think Toby would have cost 60mil either, Spurs wanted Martial. But Woody wouldnt play ball and wanted to keep his investment, now we have a player who doesnt want to be here looking like he is giving about 50% effort.
You cannot judge individual performance based on a team's performance. Despite of Leicester had one of the poorest records defending & Vardy scored 20 league goals, the fans & the players still voted him as their player of the season. It means they are very happy with his performance.
Any CB that doesn't brick himself whenever he's on the ball would be a bonus. Alderweireld certainly falls into that category.
Like Lindelof?
Unfortunately yes. It was basic defending error by the 2x CB on 3 times, on top of the AWOL of our RHS. Smalling and Jones would have avoided all 3 mistakes and goals. It doesn't mean we would have won, simply means we could have avoided terrible goals like this, all of them. Painting Aldweireld or Maguire would be an unfair argument, because any DECENT CB would have done a better job.
Of course they would have! Did you not watch the game where both CB’s were wank? It makes sense then that replacing them with better CB’s would have made a difference to the defensive performance.
We had better CBs on the bench.
I totally agree about Matic, but then there's the Alexis Sanchez deal, where we paid millions + Mkhitaryan. Could've sold Mkhitaryan, and used the money + the insane amount we spend on his wages to buy Alderweireld.
Im sorry, but United of today IMO have a system problem more than a player problem. Didnt you watch the game yesterday? We were terrible all over the pitch.
I get your point, changing a CB wouldn't neccessarily facilitate an improvement when it comes to play outside the defensive third (though having a CB who is a calming presence and doesn't shit the bed when playing it out or attacked can make a big difference). But looking at the goals United conceded, all 3 are entirely avoidable. It's weird that you can watch the game, see the CB's feck up for all 3 goals, and think that a superior CB wouldn't have made a difference. Any half decent CB would have made a difference last night, Bailly and Lindelof were very poor.
I'm sorry but a quality Jose back 4 and that doesnt happen. I said quality and I know he bought the 2 CBs but they are clearly not of the quality, it's not like he's stubbornly persisting with them and we all saying how can he not see, he's held both hands high and screamed I need new ones......we can punish him for needing to do that.....and we have, by saying No. SO much so we are willing to write off perhaps our best chance of the title in the next 3-4 years...
Thats right, the CB who played in the side with one of the worst defensive records in the league last season is better
Not this again.
Just imagine how many more they'd concede with Jones/Smalling.
He isn't one of them though, as was seen at the world cup.
Not sure what you are on about.
He isn't a very good defender. England didn't defend well at the world cup either.
If he can't defend then why did his Leicester team mates and Leicester fans vote him their best player last season?
