Exactly. Alternatively, these pundits need to come out and be frank till the very end. "We do not criticize Lingard, because he is a crap football player and his stats show this. The lad being an academy product is basically stealing a living at United. By the way he thinks that he has made it at top level and on a side note there's something childish in filming a friend shagging a pillow. As for Pogba, he is a top top player, who won the World Cup which we never did, and we expect much from him, whereas he has not met our c expectations at United. We dislike his hairstyle, social life, we expect him to recover magically, even though it is quite clear that his injury got worse as the lad was rushed back without being fully fit. But, hey, we prefer to point our fingers at Paul, rather than Jesse."
Is Paul Pogba being bullied and harassed on TV
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Yep! so much talent that he has 24 goals and 25 assists in his entire time with us (4 years now) and cost us 95 million + drama + "injuries" ...
You know there are defenders in the league with half those stats already in this season, no point in having all that talent when your mind is focused on social media, stupid haircuts and little football, players like Pogba are a disgrace to what this club is all about.
These are pretty good stats for a player that has mainly played in a two man midfield with 4 players with attacking roles above him, there isn't a lot of players who have the same stats line. And why injuries is between quoting marks?
Good stats? Are you kidding me? This is the player we paid 95 million for. 19 big chances created in 4 years, that's the creativity? I understand you are french but try to reason objectively. He has massively under-performed for the club, plays only when he is in the mood and is a bitch to his agent...
For all the drama it’s not worth it.
Oh ffs, come on, Really? He destabalised an entire season? you mean the season we won the treble? He overshadowed our run in? really, he overshadowed our run in to the treble? That was what you remember being the big news? Keane's contract and not the treble? Or the following season where he actually signed the contract at a time where he was voted the best player in the league by fellow players and the football writers? Come on, I've had a go at Keane plenty on this forum down the years but that's just hyperbolic nonsense there. And even the 'trying to get a better deal, most money for himself', presumably you think Pogba wasn't doing the same in negotiating with Raiola and United?What negative impact did Keane ever have on our squad? again are we talking about the "destabalising" of our treble season? Because if you look up 'negative impact' and 'destabalising' winning a historic treble doesn't really fit in with that. Even his on air rant that he was punished for (something Pogba hasn't been for his agent mouthing off) most United players were fine with it. It's well documented the likes of Fletcher, Smith, Rio didn't take issue with it. We actually beat a formidable Chelsea side in the game directly after it. It was Sir Alex who had the biggest problem with it. With all that being said, even the incidents that painted Keane in a bad light came from a good place, standards were not being met and unfortunately he was gobby and made it known. I have far more respect for that then someone who hides behind their fat egotistical, self indulgent agent.
Furhter to that about the ' project not working' and 'trophies cant be won'. Pogba started this angling to leave business after a measly two seasons at the club. Two years of which he won two trophies in his first season and in his second we came 2nd, unfortunately this isn't Italy and we're not Juventus, we can't just win everything with ease. It didn't take very long for Pogba to throw his toys out the pram.
I don't think Scholes refusing to play one time in twenty years of fantastic service is really that bad when you think about it. And you don't have to imagine Pogba doing anything close to that because his agent as already done that for him. Worth noting Paul Scholes never had an agent.
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My nationality is irrelevant and it's pathetic to mention it and it's rich to talk about objectivity when you put injuries in doubt without proof to support it. Pogba has mainly played as a CM in a 4231, the price of a player is irrelevant when it comes to stats particularly goals and assists, the role of the player and the team he plays for will determine them. That's why someone like Iniesta has a low goal and assist ratio despite being one of the best CM ever and sometimes playing relatively high. Pogba has created a relatively high number of key passes(proportionally more than he did with Juventus), he has scored and assisted more than pretty much any other CM in a comparable set up. And he was also never worthy of his fee in the first place, so no he didn't underperform.
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If people can't see how good Pogba is or how important he was in these 3 years, they will never see that. One of the reason why I stopped arguing about Pogba. He leads in most of the stats but for some reason people are blind to see it.
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Your post suggested he's being bullied off the bat. He isnt. You had no point
Coming above Fred, Lingard, Matic etc for the worlds most expensive midfielder is nothing to brag about. It’s like saying the top scorer in division 2 is better than the top scorer in the premiership cause he has 23 league goals this season. It’s all relative.
I wonder what they both have in common
Pogba does epitomize a lot of what is wrong with the modern football player I think. Clearly his priority is not giving 100% for the badge. He hasn't lived up to expectations at all. However, I do agree there is a media obsession with him, maybe it is because he is such a famous footballer who isn't performing well enough. The fact he's not even playing now and is getting stick for how he plays is just weird though.
Pogba shouldn't be spoken in the same breath as Keano and Scholes, 2 proper legends that played a massive part in Uniteds 20 year dominance. State of our fanbase backing a guy that will be gone first opportunity that presents itself ahead of 2 guys that know all about the on and off field sacrifice needed to be a champion year in year out .
When Pogba said its time for a new challenge , do me a favour .
When Pogba said its time for a new challenge , do me a favour .
It's a complete mystery.
- Attack
Goals 24
Goals per match 0.24
Headed goals 4
Goals with right foot 18
Goals with left foot 2
Penalties scored 7
Freekicks scored 0
Shots 291
Shots on target 105
Shooting accuracy %36%
Hit woodwork 11
Big chances missed 21
- Team Play
Assists 25
Passes 6,517
Passes per match 63.89
Big chances created 19
Crosses 101
Cross accuracy %14%
Through balls 63
Accurate long balls 487
Those are his stats over the past 4 years, I do not see ANYTHING special in them that warrants Pogba being so important.
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Too good to be here. A lot of these bitter washed up ex players employed as pundits wish to be as half as good as him and are just jealous that kids look up to a charismatic black man who has the talent to back up his confidence while making a shitload of money along the way.
Or... Paul Scholes has a better perspective on this club than you ever will?
Pogba is finished here, for the second time. Without ever being the player he could have been.
Massive disappointment.
It is the constant bs from media that has a massive influence on people's perception of certain individuals and then herd mentality takes over. It isn't just in football - people genuinely believe Donald Trump is a great businessman because of the narrative/persona he has manage to build up.
What a load of crap, most people form their own opinions. I listen less to the pundits as each year goes by and rarely agree with them. As for Trump I’ve seen enough documentaries on him to know he bankrupted half of Atlantic city amongst many other dodgy dealings. It seems you can’t just dislike as a player without sinister reasons. Plenty of others I dislike also just this particular player is at the top by a country mile.
This is unprofessional, and it actually happens. All the shit Pogba was accused of is just some rumor or his agent or his brother said. FYI he never has trouble at Juventus or France.
When did Pogba agent "done that for him"? His injury is worse because he actually played while not fully healed (and not just him, McTom and Rashford suffer the same issue). Actual evidence please not some twitter rumor, or do you think our club doesn't know if he fakes his injury or not?
Scholes never had an agent so what? He's allowed to refuse playing? Thankfully SAF is having none of it. If he behaves like that under SAF, how do you think he will behave under another lesser manager?
You're copping out. Feel free not to.
This is a grown man btw. You never fail to be amazed at how he makes intellectual people lose all their common sense and say the most stupid things
Paul Scholes has Daily Mail reader face.
Just telling it like it is. If having your work, transfer history and agent criticized is bullying, everyone is bullied.
At that point you're crapping on the word and people who actually have been bullied. Its condescending and making light of it.
I think you missed the point. THis was a knock on Pogba not Keane
And you just embarassed yourself for not getting what I'm saying. I'm saying I would take Keane without a shadow of a doubt
And you didn't understand my post. What i'm saying is that I would take Keane in a heartbeat.
Of course it's an exageration. I thought that was obvious when I wrote it. I forgot the thecaf takes everything so literally. And I wish those players could be with us now. SAF or no SAF, they would lead by example and make every player on the pitch better players. When has Pogba ever made someone a better player???
Keane was a true midfield general and leader of men on top of being a being a very good footballer to. Pogba is talented BUT no matter how talented you are if you do not give an effort. You could take for example a very talented player like Ronaldo AND he gives his all in every game as he is a genuine world class player. Pogba is nowhere near Ronaldo in committment and professional behaviour. And his defenders make all kind of excuses for him while the plain fact is that genuine class+workrate+commitment always shines through.
I just watched the Mcateer clip and I was baffled when he was banging on about people like Lallana showing the young players how they should be leading their lives in contrast to Pogba.
You'd swear Pobga was going on the piss and missing training the way he was talking.
It has to be said Mcateer isn't very bright but jaysus it made no sense.
That was kind of the point of my post. I'm seeing that most didn't understand what I meant in that statement and have taken it as a knock against Keane. That's the exact oppisite of my intentiions as I would take Keane over Pogba in a heartbeat...
Does anyone listen to Mcateer?
They really shouldn't
Ffs, how many cup competitions or league wins has Pogba dragged this club too. He cant be absolved of all the blame just because we are in a mess right now. Keane had his flaws but he was a warrior on the pitch who commanded everything around including the opposition. A player today in the same vein of Keane would hand Pogba his arse every day of the week.
Fantastic replies. I would like to add two points. One, while players had football agents negotiating for them Roy Keane had his solicitors which allowed him to deal with the club from a position if power. Two, didn't Pep say that Pogba was offered to City, in Pogba's 2nd season? Is he a liar?
What negative impact did Keane ever have on our squad? again are we talking about the "destabalising" of our treble season? Because if you look up 'negative impact' and 'destabalising' winning a historic treble doesn't really fit in with that. Even his on air rant that he was punished for (something Pogba hasn't been for his agent mouthing off) most United players were fine with it. It's well documented the likes of Fletcher, Smith, Rio didn't take issue with it. We actually beat a formidable Chelsea side in the game directly after it. It was Sir Alex who had the biggest problem with it. With all that being said, even the incidents that painted Keane in a bad light came from a good place, standards were not being met and unfortunately he was gobby and made it known. I have far more respect for that then someone who hides behind their fat egotistical, self indulgent agent.
Furhter to that about the ' project not working' and 'trophies cant be won'. Pogba started this angling to leave business after a measly two seasons at the club. Two years of which he won two trophies in his first season and in his second we came 2nd, unfortunately this isn't Italy and we're not Juventus, we can't just win everything with ease. It didn't take very long for Pogba to throw his toys out the pram.
I don't think Scholes refusing to play one time in twenty years of fantastic service is really that bad when you think about it. And you don't have to imagine Pogba doing anything close to that because his agent as already done that for him. Worth noting Paul Scholes never had an agent.
Scholes is of course 100% correct about the Pogba situation in transfer terms. However, I'm still waiting to hear him critique our shite manager for his under-performing. Or our English contingent for theirs (Rashford aside, and AWB).
Aplogies, if I am in the wrong. However, it looks like it was not just me, who misunderstood you.
It seems logic is not your strong point, but there are already enough people to point out the stupidity of your post, so I won't bother anymore. News flash: we get what you mean about choosing Keane over Pogba, but nevertheless, the "Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body" is so stupid, no matter how you try to go around it.
Also ironically you missed my point in my post, as well as the post I quoted, we are talking about professionalism and our ex-player's behavior, not their talent or leadership, so no idea why you ask me about "When has Pogba ever made someone a better player"? I would take peak Keane over Pogba as well. Also, FYI Deschamp also praise Pogba leadership on the world cup win, Lloris also praises his leadership, but maybe that means nothing to you
Of course, Pogba can be blamed, people didn't say that he needs to be absolved of all the blame. But he needs to be treated fairly, which he isn't and that is the point of this thread.
Blaming Pogba for this season when he hardly plays due to injury is fair to you? Just like Evra said "Pogba blamed when he plays & when he doesn’t"