Is Suarez in the same bracket as Henry? | If so, is he better?

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I had a debate with my mate a couple weeks ago. He felt Suarez hadn't done enough in the Premier League to be considered today as a player in the same bracket as Henry. I disagreed and said his Liverpool form coupled with what he's doing in La Liga right now puts him in the same bracket as Thierry.

Thoughts?
 
Same bracket as Thierry, for sure.

What he's doing at Barca guarantees it.
 
No Henry was probably the best player ever in the prem and he was consistently the best for a number of years too.
 
VP89 said:
I didn't ask who was/is better though.

Although, that would also make for an interesting debate.
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No he's not in the same bracket. He's in the same tier as Ibra, Shevcheko amongst others.

Henry is several levels above.
 
Suarez' top level has surpassed Henry, even in the PL. A more apt question would be is Suarez better than Henry? To which I would say yes.
 
In terms of pure skill and ability, I'd say yes.

But I think what makes Henry better, thus putting him in a higher bracket, is his leadership and professionalism. Because of those combined with his skill he had such a huge, I'd say epoch defining, impact on Arsenal, and probably the Premier League as a whole. Suarez simply can't match that, so isn't in the same level.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Suarez' top level has surpassed Henry, even in the PL. A more apt question would be is Suarez better than Henry? To which I would say yes.
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Henry's top level was higher than Suarez's but they're definitely in the same bracket.
 
BlueCelery said:
No he's not in the same bracket. He's in the same tier as Ibra, Shevcheko amongst others.

Henry is several levels above.
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Really? He has played 49 times and scored 53 for Barcelona. He almost took Liverpool to winning the league, Sturridge/Sterling don't quite look the same without him (assuming fit).
 
Hmmmm.

Prolific scorers in the PL? check

Wanted by Barca? check

Cheating cnuts for their national teams? check

Yup, same bracket.
 
JPOR said:
In terms of pure skill and ability, I'd say yes.

But I think what makes Henry better, thus putting him in a higher bracket, is his leadership and professionalism. Because of those combined with his skill he had such a huge, I'd say epoch defining, impact on Arsenal, and probably the Premier League as a whole. Suarez simply can't match that, so isn't in the same level.
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For me it was Henry's sheer consistency, every time he played you knew he was going to churn out an excellent performance.
 
Did Henry ever have a year as prolific as Suarez last few?
 
If you measure by pure footballing ability I would have to say yes. And that's probably what you have to do.
 
Suarez is an amazing player yes he's in the same bracket. He's just a cnut.
 
AltiUn said:
For me it was Henry's sheer consistency, every time he played you knew he was going to churn out an excellent performance.
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Kind of like Suarez in every recent season?
 
AltiUn said:
Henry's top level was higher than Suarez's but they're definitely in the same bracket.
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Suarez' best season in the PL was better than any season Henry had in the league. 31 league goals after missing the first 3 league games, taking no penalties or free kicks.

He's continuing this level of performance in Spain. 40 league goals last year - Henry never got anywhere near that.
 
Considering purely what they did in England then no, but taking into account Suarez's performances in Spain, I'd say it's a fair comparison, although I'd still take Henry over him. I am biased though!
 
Maybe Henry did it over a longer period but there is not much there. At their best, both of them are as good as it gets in terms of strikers with the exception of Fat Ronaldo. After those three, I would rank Ruud, Shevchenko, Agüero, Lewandowski, Zlatan and maybe Shearer as the best forwards of the past 20 years or so.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Suarez' best season in the PL was better than any season Henry had in the league. 31 league goals after missing the first 3 league games, taking no penalties or free kicks.

He's continuing this level of performance in Spain. 40 league goals last year - Henry never got anywhere near that.
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47% of his goals came against the bottom four sides that season. He's not done anything in England that Henry has not matched or bettered.
 
Henry never dragged a team of also-rans to within points of a title like Suarez did. In fact, his best years coincided with well oiled teams that were built to get the best of him.

Suarez can thrive almost anywhere, just get him the ball whichever way possible.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Suarez' best season in the PL was better than any season Henry had in the league. 31 league goals after missing the first 3 league games, taking no penalties or free kicks.

He's continuing this level of performance in Spain. 40 league goals last year - Henry never got anywhere near that.
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I don't want to compare their careers in general but in terms of the premierleague performances Henry was almost on another level to Suarez, IMO. No goals stats could prove otherwise for me. Maybe, just maybe Suarez could be good as him if he played in the better team, but we'll never know that.
 
BlueCelery said:
No he's not in the same bracket. He's in the same tier as Ibra, Shevcheko amongst others.

Henry is several levels above.
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Rubbish. The only levels above Ibra, Shevchenko are Ballon d'or level players and GOAT candidates. Henry is at best a level above but even that's very debatable.
 
I'd say they're in the same bracket and it's a fair question to ask. I'm leaning towards Henry but it's tough to split them. Completely different players.
 
ATXRedDevil said:
For me, Suarez is the better goal scorer and Henry was the better all around player. Same bracket for sure.
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Funnily, I feel the exact opposite.

Henry had a knack for turning up with absolutely outrageous goals like the one he scored with his back to goal against us, but I don't think his impact on the general team play is as big as Suarez's.
 
Suarez is a better scorer, and I would give him the edge in terms of being the better player. However, Henry contributed a lot more to the rest of the game. I kind of see it similar to the Messi vs Ronaldo debate.
 
Henry better for me - an all-time great premiership player, Suarez very good but not here long enough to compare - Henry won World Cup with France also. No doubt Suarez has gone up a level with Barcelona and is probably the best striker in world football right now.
 
Henry played in a great Arsenal side.

Suárez elevated Sterling, Henderson and Courinho to a title challenge.
 
They're in same bracket, world class strikers, but IMO Henry at his peak was better than Suarez at his.
 
BobbyManc said:
47% of his goals came against the bottom four sides that season. He's not done anything in England that Henry has not matched or bettered.
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It doesn't matter who his goals come against, you can only beat the teams put in front of you.

He had probably the best individual season seen in the PL, outscoring Henry's best season. Again, without taking pens or free kicks. At one stage that season he'd scored around 20 goals in 10 games.

Amar__ said:
I don't want to compare their careers in general but in terms of the premierleague performances Henry was almost on another level to Suarez, IMO. No goals stats could prove otherwise for me. Maybe, just maybe Suarez could be good as him if he played in the better team, but we'll never know that.
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59 goals in all competitions last year, that's 20 more than Henry ever got. Henry was a great player but Suarez' level in recent seasons has surpassed anything Henry ever did.
 
VP89 said:
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I had a debate with my mate a couple weeks ago. He felt Suarez hadn't done enough in the Premier League to be considered today as a player in the same bracket as Henry. I disagreed and said his Liverpool form coupled with what he's doing in La Liga right now puts him in the same bracket as Thierry.

Thoughts?
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Sounds like the two of you just have different criteria. If one puts emphasis on the PL, like he does, then he's right. If not, then you're right.

I don't think there's much between them, as players. Suarez might be remembered as the better one, if he has a few more seasons like last (and wins some more things).
 
Scarecrow said:
Sounds like the two of you just have different criteria. If one puts emphasis on the PL, like he does, then he's right. If not, then you're right.
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We were both talking overall, ie he disagreed that Suarez as a player is not in the same bracket as Henry.

His reason seems to be that he didn't show as much consistency for a lesser team like Liverpool prior to going to a super team like Barcelona. However, Henry played for the invincibles in his prime so its not really a fair comparison.
 
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