FortunaUtd
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I have not seen all our games, so it is an honest question: after 15 games in all competitions, have we delivered one single truly good performance this season? Nottingham maybe? Palace in the League Cup? (Didn't see either)
With LVG it was pass pass pass .It is up there. We were boring as feck under LvG, but we still had some positive qualities. We kept the ball well.
Hated us under Jose, so cynical and negative, but we defended well and rarely fell apart.
We had some rough spells in the Ole/Rangnick season, we were very close to being this bad. But this takes the cake, players are everywhere where they shouldn`t be, teams literally walks through us. We push for something in attack but there is absolutely nothing that seem to work in attack. No connection between the players except for the odd 1-2 pass, but then it dies.
It’s funny because that game felt so bad at the time. And it was because it cost top four, but more so because I thought we’d win going into it. In the same situation now, I’d have absolutely no hope at all that we’d win that game. The standards have fallen so unbelievably far since then.I think so. Even comparing between the end of the tenures:
Moyes ended with a double humiliation at home to City and Liverpool and symbolic destruction by Everton, but a month before that there were decent performances with Januzaj, Mata, and Nani.
LvG's end wasn't that bad - the West Ham game that cost 4th was terrible, but was at least a fight, and then the last game was an honest-to-god Cup final win. It was his Christmas that was insane - but again, it wasn't heavy defeats, but boring 0-0 or 0-1 defeats.
Jose's was a long funeral procession from the moment the 3rd season started - parallels with this one, actually. Previous season has been decent, with a dip at the end, new season an unmitigated disaster...though the players in 2018 delivered better than the guys now (3-2 Newcastle, 2-1 Juve, both with some nice goals and passages of play that just don't exist now). Once again, Liverpool made a fatal cut.
Ole - well, the season started with a 5-1 and some less spectacular wins, then Ronaldo started with a 4-1...and then, in a few weeks, it TOTALLY collapsed. The Moyes-esque Liverpool-City double followed by salt-in-wounds at Watford.
Ralf - literally no memory.
EtH - a worse version of Jose's end. Even the smaller teams dominate. No plan. No style. No results. Is there a Liverpool game coming up soon?
Agree. Not seen an uglier end than Ten Hag.I think so. Even comparing between the end of the tenures:
Moyes ended with a double humiliation at home to City and Liverpool and symbolic destruction by Everton, but a month before that there were decent performances with Januzaj, Mata, and Nani.
LvG's end wasn't that bad - the West Ham game that cost 4th was terrible, but was at least a fight, and then the last game was an honest-to-god Cup final win. It was his Christmas that was insane - but again, it wasn't heavy defeats, but boring 0-0 or 0-1 defeats.
Jose's was a long funeral procession from the moment the 3rd season started - parallels with this one, actually. Previous season has been decent, with a dip at the end, new season an unmitigated disaster...though the players in 2018 delivered better than the guys now (3-2 Newcastle, 2-1 Juve, both with some nice goals and passages of play that just don't exist now). Once again, Liverpool made a fatal cut.
Ole - well, the season started with a 5-1 and some less spectacular wins, then Ronaldo started with a 4-1...and then, in a few weeks, it TOTALLY collapsed. The Moyes-esque Liverpool-City double followed by salt-in-wounds at Watford.
Ralf - literally no memory.
EtH - a worse version of Jose's end. Even the smaller teams dominate. No plan. No style. No results. Is there a Liverpool game coming up soon?
Of course his man-management was questioned eventually. During the last weeks of his tenure, players in the squad were annoyed that he was always picking his favourites no matter how badly they were performing.Ole’s end was ugly but it was clear to see that Ronaldo’s inability to press was the problem. We were so easy to play through and what looked like players being lazy was really players being fatigued from having to cover so much space. Ole should have stuck to the 3-5-2 and conservative press to accomodate Ronaldo’s inability to run, as he did at Spurs. While Ole’s tactical nous was questionable, his man-management never was.
I categorise that as squad selection, but I can see how that falls under the man-management category. In that case, I do remember how Bailly was disgruntled about Maguire’s unlimited opportunities and ultimately it was Maguire that cost Ole the job.Of course his man-management was questioned eventually. During the last weeks of his tenure, players in the squad were annoyed that he was always picking his favourites no matter how badly they were performing.