That's the correct answer.
So, yeah.
You can call it whatever you like, of course, but it's not a (local) derby in the traditional sense.
Is United v Liverpool a true Derby match?
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So, yeah.
You can call it whatever you like, of course, but it's not a (local) derby in the traditional sense.
Not derby, just a huge match.
‘El Trafico’ is quite good. It’s an actual derby as well.
Also, there are several "classic" encounters in football that aren't derbies - and that are, in fact, far more important to fans than actual derbies. So, there's no need to label it "derby" to make it sound more important.
It's United-Liverpool - the biggest clash in English football. But it ain't a derby - sorry (not that I understand why that would bother anyone - Liverpool has been bigger for United fans for my entire lifetime than the actual derby, even after City's oily transformation).
It's United-Liverpool - the biggest clash in English football. But it ain't a derby - sorry (not that I understand why that would bother anyone - Liverpool has been bigger for United fans for my entire lifetime than the actual derby, even after City's oily transformation).
City will always our derby game. Liverpool rivals, as the two most famous clubs in English football but not a traditional’derby’.
And that too.
Capitalisation is a lost art - I blame the Orange Demon (Unfairly, but I don't Care).
Derby just means an important sporting event. Manchester United v Man City is actually a local derby.
Derby is used in horse racing despite the riders being from different countries, even back when the races were first run.
Derby is used in horse racing despite the riders being from different countries, even back when the races were first run.
If Barca-Real is El Clasico and if Bayern-Dortmund is Der Klassiker, you could possibly call United-Liverpool The Classic.
Though thinking about it, it doesn't scan well enough in English. Maybe The Red Classic would work better.
Though thinking about it, it doesn't scan well enough in English. Maybe The Red Classic would work better.
I was being sarcastic - all variations are atrocious
It’s bigger than the Manchester derby
https://www.lexico.com/definition/derby
As the OED says the teams have to be from the same area not the same town/city so yeah it can be called a derby.
Had to google it, had no idea. Also found out there is a second team in LA besides Galaxy. Just shows how much I know about the MLS.
The problem with these things is that it isn't analytic philosophy where somebody would try to define a term for posterity and then we can all go back to the original author and his exact definition.
If you wanna answer 'what does derby mean?'; you'll find yourself in an epistemological Bermuda Triangle, with several competing theories of how and when the term originated (horse race, rugby match, football match, extinct sport), and no helpful heuristic to decide the question. Very fertile ground for everybody to be right.
With the usage being as varied and widespread as it is though, the only people being weird about it are the ones claiming a very particular meaning (a football match between rivals in the same town). I don't know where the passion for this particular meaning comes from, but that just seems like arguing for a bizarrely specific meaning, with no basis for it whatsoever. You're obviously connoting some aspect of the original event with the meaning when you say 'derby' whilst abstracting from other aspects that are not 'essential'. Now why 'town' would be this semantic invariant is absolutely beyond me. You could just as well say that it has to mean an exact town then, or an exact sport. "Well, it's not a derby if it's not a horse race for me". "Can't be a derby if it's not rugby, innit?". "Only a derby if it's in Derbyshire if I'm honest".
Further problems for people arguing for this peculiar meaning come from the plethora of usages that don't fit into it, all well established and well known, as many people have already pointed out (the Roses derby, Tyne-Wear derby etc.) Also, numerous well known syntagms would make absolutely no sense with that meaning. 'Local derby' is a pleonasm if the term derby already means 'from the same town'.
For people complaining abut the recency of these impure usages. It's been called 'Derby d'Italia' since 1967.
If you wanna answer 'what does derby mean?'; you'll find yourself in an epistemological Bermuda Triangle, with several competing theories of how and when the term originated (horse race, rugby match, football match, extinct sport), and no helpful heuristic to decide the question. Very fertile ground for everybody to be right.
With the usage being as varied and widespread as it is though, the only people being weird about it are the ones claiming a very particular meaning (a football match between rivals in the same town). I don't know where the passion for this particular meaning comes from, but that just seems like arguing for a bizarrely specific meaning, with no basis for it whatsoever. You're obviously connoting some aspect of the original event with the meaning when you say 'derby' whilst abstracting from other aspects that are not 'essential'. Now why 'town' would be this semantic invariant is absolutely beyond me. You could just as well say that it has to mean an exact town then, or an exact sport. "Well, it's not a derby if it's not a horse race for me". "Can't be a derby if it's not rugby, innit?". "Only a derby if it's in Derbyshire if I'm honest".
Further problems for people arguing for this peculiar meaning come from the plethora of usages that don't fit into it, all well established and well known, as many people have already pointed out (the Roses derby, Tyne-Wear derby etc.) Also, numerous well known syntagms would make absolutely no sense with that meaning. 'Local derby' is a pleonasm if the term derby already means 'from the same town'.
For people complaining abut the recency of these impure usages. It's been called 'Derby d'Italia' since 1967.
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It's not a huge match, it's just a big game.
Only in Britain some argue that this is not a derby.
Indeed.
Well it's derby day!! Let's do this. Anyway growing up the City game was the biggy for me. It didn't have the intensity of the Liverpool game but it felt good to wind up Blues.
You wouldn't say City V Everton is a Derby, so neither is United V Liverpool.
The rivalry behind today's match is more like a continuation of the punch up between the 2 citys dating back to the Industrial revolution
The rivalry behind today's match is more like a continuation of the punch up between the 2 citys dating back to the Industrial revolution
...and we should know
all other comparisons irrelevant
not a derby. Never was, never is.
More than just a football rival, not a classic derby, as in same city, but more of a historical one
It is.
Same way Cardiff Swansea is a derby.
Same way Cardiff Swansea is a derby.
Is Everton vs City a derby? No?