Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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And what’s the purpose of this? It ain’t funny even with your white text.
Oh lighten up. We are all in this thread hoping this deal is concluded soon. We’re all in this together. Chill out
 

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For all the people who are saying they don't understand these press briefings, just remember to check our next quarterly brief when Richard Arnold, or Ed, will talk about how many hits on social media Sancho signing got etc. It's all part of the United marketing plan. It's a deliberate ploy.
 

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I don't know. 120m in the post-covid environment seems too much to me. We're not desperate anymore. I'd be great to have him. But if Dortmund as going to insist on getting the same for him as they would have if the world hadn't been turned upside down then we should walk away.
 

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Plenty of sources say we weren't happy with Bellinghams salary and Solksjaer himself said we didnt like all the clauses Raiola wanted in Halaands contract.
Haaland has been quoted saying that he came up with the idea to go to Dortmund himself before they even approached him. Apparently he's been fond of the club since he was 13 years old.
I think it was simply a calculated career move from the lad, and that we're one of the contenders when he's moving elsewhere in a year or two.
 

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If these German sources and Fabrizio are wrong they destroy their credibility. For anyone doubting this transfer, do you truly believe they would risk being wrong if they didn't know?
The foreign journos almost always prove to be more reliable when it comes to these high profile transfers from abroad compared to UK journos who get spoonfed info straight from clubs attempting to control the narrative/optics
 

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Bellingham wanted to go to Dortmund because in the end he thought it was best for his career, considering the first team and the pressure to perform, it's hardly a surprise, it was always about how we'd be able to sell the idea of gradually being involved.

Haaland is a more difficult one due to Raiola and the insistance on a release clause, it's a no go in itself to risk losing a player for what is potentially miles below the real value.
I read we wouldn't match the 56k a week that Dortmund offered him and his head was turned by us when he came here. Depends what you read.
 

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For all the people who are saying they don't understand these press briefings, just remember to check our next quarterly brief when Richard Arnold, or Ed, will talk about how many hits on social media Sancho signing got etc. It's all part of the United marketing plan. It's a deliberate ploy.
Yep. Deal's been done for a while IMHO.
 

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ok, I might be slaughtered by the local Commies, but I’ll take the risk.

Top flight football is a serious business run by professionals. They could make mistakes and stupid moves or choose a wrong strategy in the long run but they are far more competent than people on the forum. On average, one is paid what he/she is worth.

United is a multibillion business acquired by a very smart group of investors led by Woodward who had seen the clubs potential much earlier than anyone in the industry. We are pioneering commercial side of football for over 30 years (listing, TV, sponsorship). Being an entrepreneur myself, I always admired how United built it’s financial empire.

Transfer negotiations is a strategic multi factor game. Woodward is not a negotiator but he holds a seal of approval. He realized that he is not good at this particular thing and hired specialists. He set the budget (mind, real budget is 10-15% higher than that set as a limit for negotiators), and time. Incremental changes to be approved. The guys within United And BVB understand “chicken game” type of strategies and all that shit in depth. It is a part of curriculum at Master degree level at least. Third party intermediaries on both sides have vast experience in real deals.

Nobody gives a shit about what fans think or feel counting the days before transfer. Caring about that is irrational. Journos are feeding off the “leaks” or just supporting each others’ stories to be on bandwagon. PR stuff is overrated so much.
 

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For all the people who are saying they don't understand these press briefings, just remember to check our next quarterly brief when Richard Arnold, or Ed, will talk about how many hits on social media Sancho signing got etc. It's all part of the United marketing plan. It's a deliberate ploy.
And if you actuelly check these phone meetings, you will notice that these are the type of questions that shareholders ask about, it's not a marketing plan per se but it's definitely something that sponsors and shareholders appreciate. It's also worth remembering that when clubs make absolutely no noise fanbases tend to lose it and flood social medias with anxious messages about the lack of news and reports about clubs activities. These briefs are also a way to communicate with fans, basically saying that the club is negotiating but that nothing is done, that's why you hear the same type of things during similar phases of a deal.

Monitoring->preparing bid->Personnal terms agreed->clubs talking->advanced negotiations->close to an agreement->we won't be bullied->both sides won the negotiations.
 

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Top flight football is a serious business run by professionals. They could make mistakes and stupid moves or choose a wrong strategy in the long run but they are far more competent than people on the forum. On average, one is paid what he/she is worth.
Can I remind you we are talking about the same 'professionals' who agreed to the Sanchez deal.
 

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ok, I might be slaughtered by the local Commies, but I’ll take the risk.

Top flight football is a serious business run by professionals. They could make mistakes and stupid moves or choose a wrong strategy in the long run but they are far more competent than people on the forum. On average, one is paid what he/she is worth.

United is a multibillion business acquired by a very smart group of investors led by Woodward who had seen the clubs potential much earlier than anyone in the industry. We are pioneering commercial side of football for over 30 years (listing, TV, sponsorship). Being an entrepreneur myself, I always admired how United built it’s financial empire.

Transfer negotiations is a strategic multi factor game. Woodward is not a negotiator but he holds a seal of approval. He realized that he is not good at this particular thing and hired specialists. He set the budget (mind, real budget is 10-15% higher than that set as a limit for negotiators), and time. Incremental changes to be approved. The guys within United And BVB understand “chicken game” type of strategies and all that shit in depth. It is a part of curriculum at Master degree level at least. Third party intermediaries on both sides have vast experience in real deals.

Nobody gives a shit about what fans think or feel counting the days before transfer. Caring about that is irrational. Journos are feeding off the “leaks” or just supporting each others’ stories to be on bandwagon. PR stuff is overrated so much.
Hell of a way to start off a post I must say :lol: :lol:
 

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Just your classic utd transfer saga , every summer anybody with a faint heart don't look at Twitter as it's all doom and gloom.
I don't think Ed will get what he wants this time so hopefully we have a back up in placement
 

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ok, I might be slaughtered by the local Commies, but I’ll take the risk.

Top flight football is a serious business run by professionals. They could make mistakes and stupid moves or choose a wrong strategy in the long run but they are far more competent than people on the forum. On average, one is paid what he/she is worth.

United is a multibillion business acquired by a very smart group of investors led by Woodward who had seen the clubs potential much earlier than anyone in the industry. We are pioneering commercial side of football for over 30 years (listing, TV, sponsorship). Being an entrepreneur myself, I always admired how United built it’s financial empire.

Transfer negotiations is a strategic multi factor game. Woodward is not a negotiator but he holds a seal of approval. He realized that he is not good at this particular thing and hired specialists. He set the budget (mind, real budget is 10-15% higher than that set as a limit for negotiators), and time. Incremental changes to be approved. The guys within United And BVB understand “chicken game” type of strategies and all that shit in depth. It is a part of curriculum at Master degree level at least. Third party intermediaries on both sides have vast experience in real deals.

Nobody gives a shit about what fans think or feel counting the days before transfer. Caring about that is irrational. Journos are feeding off the “leaks” or just supporting each others’ stories to be on bandwagon. PR stuff is overrated so much.
Throughout all this I think you overlooked one thing - a business model heavily dependent on commercial revenue like we are cares much about the PR stuff especially generating as much social media buzz as possible before a major deal so that when it's done the club can exploit the commercial potential of the deal to the maximum.
 

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ok, I might be slaughtered by the local Commies, but I’ll take the risk.

Top flight football is a serious business run by professionals. They could make mistakes and stupid moves or choose a wrong strategy in the long run but they are far more competent than people on the forum. On average, one is paid what he/she is worth.

United is a multibillion business acquired by a very smart group of investors led by Woodward who had seen the clubs potential much earlier than anyone in the industry. We are pioneering commercial side of football for over 30 years (listing, TV, sponsorship). Being an entrepreneur myself, I always admired how United built it’s financial empire.

Transfer negotiations is a strategic multi factor game. Woodward is not a negotiator but he holds a seal of approval. He realized that he is not good at this particular thing and hired specialists. He set the budget (mind, real budget is 10-15% higher than that set as a limit for negotiators), and time. Incremental changes to be approved. The guys within United And BVB understand “chicken game” type of strategies and all that shit in depth. It is a part of curriculum at Master degree level at least. Third party intermediaries on both sides have vast experience in real deals.

Nobody gives a shit about what fans think or feel counting the days before transfer. Caring about that is irrational. Journos are feeding off the “leaks” or just supporting each others’ stories to be on bandwagon. PR stuff is overrated so much.
As a chef de partie, I find this offensive.
 

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The PR stuff quite literally gets bragged about and highlighted whenever Woodward has that quarterly conference call with the board and club investors so I'd think the serious business people might care a little about that side of things
 

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So German journalist is reporting this 70, 30, 20 demands from bvb. Any report about utd's offer?
 

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Yes there is a lot to be done once a number has been agreed. But on the other hand Ed knows how much money he is able to spend and Dortmund know what they are able to accept. It is exactly the same process when buying a property. It is for sale at a certain price and you know how much you can afford to spend on it. The seller then just has to decide if they will accept what you are offering or not. Especially when there are no other bidders for the property (read football player).
Also, if you find it tiring, don't read it. Simple.
But we don't though, we already have outgoing monthly payments from previous transfers and out incoming monthly payments are only sponsors at the moment so we don't know how much we can afford to pay entirely at this moment in time. Paying €70m up front is a hell of a lot of money, especially if we have other targets this window also. I'm sure United are willing to meet Dortmunds asking price but the disagreement is how and when the payments should be made. United want as many installments as possible and Dortmnud want as much up front as possible. Finding the balance that United can afford, without meaning out summer spending is over and what Dortmund will accept so they can replace Sancho is the sticking point.
 

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And if you actuelly check these phone meetings, you will notice that these are the type of questions that shareholders ask about, it's not a marketing plan per se but it's definitely something that sponsors and shareholders appreciate. It's also worth remembering that when clubs make absolutely no noise fanbases tend to lose it and flood social medias with anxious messages about the lack of news and reports about clubs activities. These briefs are also a way to communicate with fans, basically saying that the club is negotiating but that nothing is done, that's why you hear the same type of things during similar phases of a deal.

Monitoring->preparing bid->Personnal terms agreed->clubs talking->advanced negotiations->close to an agreement->we won't be bullied->both sides won the negotiations.
Yea, I get what you're saying. But with briefings going out, it not only gets the fans interacting, but media outlets too. If we stay quiet, not much the media can write about but just make up stories...which of late it seems to be really irritating the club.
 

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The PR stuff quite literally gets bragged about and highlighted whenever Woodward has that quarterly conference call with the board and club investors so I'd think the serious business people might care a little about that side of things
Good PR is getting the deal done. Winning a major trophy is the best PR. Manipulating the fans opinions regarding how the transfer is performed is useless. Even our poor dumb Woody understands that :)
 

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I'd walk away tbh. Its too much, I'm sure we can find an alternative.
 

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They were happy about the player at the time, the deal in itself financially was terrible.
The deal became financially terrible the moment Sanchez failed to put up the expected numbers and it became clear that he never was going to become that player ever again. If it had worked, the numbers he was putting up at Arsenal would have been enough to help us qualify for the CL last season and that would have justified his contract because with CL football we would have revenues of around £600m to £700m.
 
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