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Want this guy gone so I can direct my fury towards Ten Hag
Captain Pathetic himself. Good day, Siiiir.
G'day Monsieur TopRed Wannabe. Now off with your high horse.Captain Pathetic himself. Good day, Siiiir.
Thanks for proving yourself to be an utter bellend.G'day Monsieur TopRed Wannabe. Now off with your high horse.
You too dickheadThanks for proving yourself to be an utter bellend.
I fear that many underestimate the magnitude of the job at hand. We need someone to step in and rebuild the whole football structure from scratch. That stretch from scouting, recruitment, fitness regimen and getting the right people in like players and manager. That must be done under the biggest spotlight in the world, with the majority owner not giving a feck about football and with huge characters still at the club who seem not liking having people dictating what the manager should do. If reports about INEOS are right then there are set to change the entire structure ie a new CEO, a sporting director and possibly a DOF/Head of recruitment. all of whom with previous experience in the job. That's just the very beginning. Thus even INEOS believe that the job is massive let alone one that can be done by someone within the club's ranks with no previous experience in the job.Agreed. Getting that one right would dwarf the issue of the experience of the DOF.
The 'leak' so to speak is someone who knows about the Murtough-Butt spat and how Murtough disrespected SAF during the Bellingham's mess. That's old information which goes beyond any takeover talks. If I am a betting an than it must be someone close to that circle who had waited this long to cause maximum damage to the guy. As they say, the Lannisters sent their regards.The article by Whitwell was absolutely damning and he has to go. BUT it would be interesting to know who fed that information - if it was a Glazer briefing it is a PR hit piece to create a fall guy and absolve them of blame. If it was an INEOS leak then it is prep for his inevitable removal. Either way, that he has been hung out to dry so publicly and comprehensively means he is definitely going to be gone. It would also not bode well for ETH.
More likely someone within the club who has been around a while and isn't aligned with the Glazer/Woodward/Murtough faction, IMO.The article by Whitwell was absolutely damning and he has to go. BUT it would be interesting to know who fed that information - if it was a Glazer briefing it is a PR hit piece to create a fall guy and absolve them of blame. If it was an INEOS leak then it is prep for his inevitable removal. Either way, that he has been hung out to dry so publicly and comprehensively means he is definitely going to be gone. It would also not bode well for ETH.
It could have been multiple sources evenMore likely someone within the club who has been around a while and isn't aligned with the Glazer/Woodward/Murtough faction, IMO.
ETH has nothing to gain in turning against Murtough. They are now tied to the hip with the former being Murtough's appointeeIt could have been multiple sources even
Nicky Butt certainly seems like he could have an axe to grind, and he did an Athletic interview a couple of years back about his exit
Arnold might also figure he might as well slag off the club now
Alternatively I wouldn’t be surprised if Ten Hag’s camp could be a source, it certainly shifts a lot of the blame (justifiably, I would add) to Murtough, even if he himself is actually doing a pretty shite job at the moment.
Merry Christmas to you too.Time to camp this thread over Christmas & New Year
Yep agreed. The problem for Murtough is likely that we were creating a brand new system rather than being promoted into the role. If we'd already had an established football setup it might have gone better. But we were basically starting from zero when ETH came in and that proved disastrous for the Antony transfer.Both of their experience was at academy level before becoming head of elite development, Murtough was also a football analyst for Everton including on the recruitment side of things. Their background while not identical are similar up until the point where they each get a sporting director job.
The point being that the issue with Murtough isn't his background or his experience, he simply happens to not be a good sporting director. It's not rare for people to deserve a chance in a different role but end up not being a good fit. We can be critical of Murtough without pretending that he didn't have experience in the field and also was competent in his roles.
Yeah on a hiding to nothing. Hoped for the best but creating a structure without the prior experience did not go well for us.I'm not going to be that dickhead that says "I called this ages ago" but I am definitely a dickhead who called this ages ago.
Our entire structure is filled with people "learning on the job", who are expected to learn from other people learning on the job, overseen by people who have no experience to be able to tell the people learning on the job that they're learning the wrong things.
I do not see why Ineos would need to leak a piece to fire him. They can just fire him. Pretty much every United fan except Adnan would be happy if that happens.The article by Whitwell was absolutely damning and he has to go. BUT it would be interesting to know who fed that information - if it was a Glazer briefing it is a PR hit piece to create a fall guy and absolve them of blame. If it was an INEOS leak then it is prep for his inevitable removal. Either way, that he has been hung out to dry so publicly and comprehensively means he is definitely going to be gone. It would also not bode well for ETH.
So you're a dickhead, Mr P?I'm not going to be that dickhead that says "I called this ages ago" but I am definitely a dickhead who called this ages ago.
Our entire structure is filled with people "learning on the job", who are expected to learn from other people learning on the job, overseen by people who have no experience to be able to tell the people learning on the job that they're learning the wrong things.
I think that it's employees that are trying to save their backsides for their poor job and I think that they are the same anonymous sources that we have heard about over the years because for some reason, the same grievances comeback but with totally different targets.I do not see why Ineos would need to leak a piece to fire him. They can just fire him. Pretty much every United fan except Adnan would be happy if that happens.
Glazers leaking it makes sense but to be fair, they never gave a shit about public opinion. My guess is that the leaks were some employees at the club (scouts etc) who have been working under him.
Has anyone got a link to this whitwell/athletic piece, can’t seem to find it. Thanks.
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From the article:I see this on every aggregator site but not on Duncker's own twitter. Is it definitely confirmed?