John Terry...

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Was pretty awful towards the backend of today's game following up his poor world cup - I think objective posters would agree that he shouldn't have been on the world cup's top players squad.

Hasn't looked as dominant in pre-season as he has been over the last couple of seasons, although it is just pre-season.

Today he left Crouch wide open for the second goal and had another air kick soon after that could have been costly. If he keeps this sort of form up the league may be a bit more interesting than most are expecting.

Man I hope he keeps this up.
 
Like I've been saying for a long time, Terry is over-rated.
 
032Devil said:
Like I've been saying for a long time, Terry is over-rated.
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amen, some of my mates finally see my point of view now after seeing him at the world cup. without someone to protect him in front he is awkward and clumsy.

he also just generally hoofs the ball anywhere. a.k.a against portugal we needed calm heads and possesion so he just continuously hoofs the ball up to owen and vassell (two players renound for their arial ability)
 
I think the uncertainty regarding the future of Williams Gallas doesn't help John Terry. Whilst Terry is a pretty solid defender, being partnered with Gallas in defence makes his job easier and possibly makes him look better than he actually is.

He isn't quite as effective with Carvalho next to him, he doesn't get the cover he normally gets with Gallas. Mourinho should be doing absolutely everything to keep Gallas at the club because their defence and the performances of John Terry in particularly look very insecure without him.
 
Wait until the season starts and Terry will look solid again. He's never really looked that sound at international level, even with Rio next to him but for Chelsea you can't fault him. He's captained Chelsea to 2 league titles and is now England captain. He's also been PFA player of the year. Not bad for somebody so dodgy........

Apparently a Utd supporter too!!
 
untitled_6899 said:
I think the uncertainty regarding the future of Williams Gallas doesn't help John Terry. Whilst Terry is a pretty solid defender, being partnered with Gallas in defence makes his job easier and possibly makes him look better than he actually is.

He isn't quite as effective with Carvalho next to him, he doesn't get the cover he normally gets with Gallas. Mourinho should be doing absolutely everything to keep Gallas at the club because their defence and the performances of John Terry in particularly look very insecure without him.
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Although I've always been laughed at (not an unknown experience for me on the caf), I've always maintained that Terry is not a good defender in himself.

Chelski defence against Liverpool at times looked wide open and Terry's awareness of players around him none-existant.

No doubt, the usual excuses will be offered for one of media's darling footballers (and now new England captain).

Makelele is still under-rated. Real Madrid fell too pieces when he left them and Chelski is not the same team without him. He makes so many of the Chelski players look better than they are: Terry, Calvalho, Lampard, Essien.
 
izzydiggler said:
Wait until the season starts and Terry will look solid again. He's never really looked that sound at international level, even with Rio next to him but for Chelsea you can't fault him. He's captained Chelsea to 2 league titles and is now England captain. He's also been PFA player of the year. Not bad for somebody so dodgy........

Apparently a Utd supporter too!!
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He was until he got brainwashed by all the shit flowing around Chelsea. I think Rio and maybe Wes are as good as and maybe better than Terry in Rio's case. We saw it in the world cup what happens to players like Terry. There was no Makalele, no shit-shoveller there for him in Gerrard and Lampard so he had to shelve some of the job on his own. He performed so averagely and on a few occasions abysmally. Erros against Ecuador (yes, fecking Ecuador!) spring to mind. We may have been knocked out of the cup if it weren't for Cashley Cole's backtracking. Ferdinand however had a very good tournament and stamped his case down again as a big occasion player. In the Portugal game he was a rock at the back.
 
032Devil said:
Although I've always been laughed at (not an unknown experience for me on the caf), I've always maintained that Terry is not a good defender in himself.

Chelski defence against Liverpool at times looked wide open and Terry's awareness of players around him none-existant.

No doubt, the usual excuses will be offered for one of media's darling footballers (and now new England captain).

Makelele is still under-rated. Real Madrid fell too pieces when he left them and Chelski is not the same team without him. He makes so many of the Chelski players look better than they are: Terry, Calvalho, Lampard, Essien.
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I agree with absolutely everything there. If Terry was in our team last year, he would be only just above average in my opinion due to a lack of a player like Makalele. As for the Liverpool game, he was completely at fault for the Crouch goal today. Im not saying out header Peter Crouch and get higher than him, but he was completely out of position and failing to exert an ounce of pressure upon Crouch. Simple header for Crouch. Did the commentators pick up on this? Did they feck.
 
izzydiggler said:
Wait until the season starts and Terry will look solid again. He's never really looked that sound at international level, even with Rio next to him but for Chelsea you can't fault him. He's captained Chelsea to 2 league titles and is now England captain. He's also been PFA player of the year. Not bad for somebody so dodgy........

Apparently a Utd supporter too!!
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Firstly, I'm not saying that he hasn't been very good over the last 2 league seasons. He has been. Whether or not that's down to the cover he gets from Makelele and Gallas is debatable, but while being very good he shouldn't have been player of the year. Thats just overrating him.

He gets a lot of support from journalists and commentators because he's your 'classic english defender who gives his all, wears his heart on his sleeve, blah blah fecking blah' and because he puts in some good performances for a Chelsea side who are very well organised defensively - so that even when he fecks up, there's usually cover. Rio manages to do a great job despite playing for a team with no defensive midfield cover whatsoever.

Also, my original argument which you chose to ignore completely was that he looked dodgy for the last few months now, not always. He didn't look great toward the end of last season and things have gotten progressively worse from there. I'm just saying that I hope he continues to produce the sort of erratic performances that he has over the last couple of months.
 
Terry is a good player. But he's surrounded by great talent which hides his negatives. For one, he's very slow. Having Makelele mopping up opposing attacks keeps Terry from being exposed when venturing up field. Having Gallas and Carvalho helps as well. Gallas is just a great defender outright. He can do it all. Carvalho is a tough bulldog and sits back. I'd love to have Terry partner Rio at United, but only if Terry sits back in defence, allowing Rio to roam. Terry would be caught out of position often with United. Back when Keane could cover 100 yards, Terry would have been great for United. But without a proper CM to cover Terry, he'd be cack at times.
 
If Gallas gets his wish and leaves, Terry will be exposed over and over again this season. Without Rio at the WC, he would have been exposed even worse than he was. Chelski play a defensive style of football, which allows Terry to look like a much better than he is because he has help all over the pitch. Put him in say the bar codes squad and everyone would see what type of player he is.

RIO>>>>>Terry
 
I've always felt that Gallas has to be one of the best centreback in the world, together with Fabio Cannavaro and Alessandro Nesta. I mean, look at all the Chelsea's games and you will see that Gallas is the man that keeps the defence intact. He's got everything you want in a defender, and he proved that in the WC recently. He's doing all the work, and Terry is getting the credit, due to media coverage, nationality, and Terry's ability to score goals from setpieces. Heck, even Gallas gets his fair share of goals every season. Bottomline, Terry is made to look good due to Gallas, and Makelele defending the backfour. This season, with Gallas imminent departure, Terry's lack of pace, concentration will be exposed on a constant basis.
 
SittingBull said:
I've always felt that Gallas has to be one of the best centreback in the world, together with Fabio Cannavaro and Alessandro Nesta. I mean, look at all the Chelsea's games and you will see that Gallas is the man that keeps the defence intact. He's got everything you want in a defender, and he proved that in the WC recently. He's doing all the work, and Terry is getting the credit, due to media coverage, nationality, and Terry's ability to score goals from setpieces. Heck, even Gallas gets his fair share of goals every season. Bottomline, Terry is made to look good due to Gallas, and Makelele defending the backfour. This season, with Gallas imminent departure, Terry's lack of pace, concentration will be exposed on a constant basis.
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The media hyped him up and suddenly he was the new superstar of all the defenders. I agree with the rest aswell. His lack of pace is going to be a big problem for him imo, we saw that in the champions league for example, where he had plenty of problems against players with pace. He's a quality defender, but not better than Gallas, hopefully he'll leave
 
It does not take a genius to see that Terry is absolutely dependant on Makelele protecting him and Gallas being 3x the CB he is doing all the hard work and making Terry look far better then he is.

Without those two protecting him, Terry is exposed as a just above average CB with a lack of pace and flappy arms. I hope Gallas fecks off this season, without him that back-line will not be half as good as it was last year.
 
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