Wilson Palacio should have been sent off in the first half for a two footed challenge. That's a really bad decision. So in theory we would have played with a extra man advantage for 2/3 of the game. How come nobody is talking about that?
"Just how bad a decision was it?"
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It wasn't to our advantage that he wasn't sent off. If it had been Vidic, you can bet your life the ABUtaters would have been whinging about it right up to the time of the penalty.Wilson Palacio should have been sent off in the first half for a two footed challenge. That's a really bad decision. So in theory we would have played with a extra man advantage for 2/3 of the game. How come nobody is talking about that?
I passed your comments on to Fergie and he said he's very sorry that he makes you physically sick.
We can all be guilty of showing a bit of bias towards United at times, but for anyone to say that was a penalty having seen it on replay (even though it was obvious at full speed) is wearing some big style rose tinted glasses. We got lucky with the decision and it turned the match for us. For that alone I'm very grateful.
Nothing like a penalty.
Love the way people are getting themselves in a twist over it, especially the scousers.....conveniently forgetting the dodgy decisions that went their way earlier in the day!
Love the way people are getting themselves in a twist over it, especially the scousers.....conveniently forgetting the dodgy decisions that went their way earlier in the day!
I think it was a really hard call to make, the media have gone over the top sayint was a clear pen. The touch by Gomes on the ball was hardly anything, people are going at how the ball moved direction
touched carrick first, where is the line drawn?, can a keeper take a player out first as long as he touches the ball after?
No, It wasn't a goal! The keeper touched the ball before he touched the player. If the Keeper takes the player first its a penalty.
Jesus, it wasn't a penalty. Learn the rules of the game. Keeper got the ball. No penalty.
This thread is cringeworthy
This thread is cringeworthy
that's my reading of the situation as wellIt's a confusing one. I thought it was a penalty but so many people are confusing the issue - including Sir Alex.
I like to think Carrick touched the ball, gomes touched the ball but in the process of making the save he brings carrick down with his outstreched arms stopping carrick from running to the ball thus making it a pen. Some shit like that
Definate pen
You are just dead wrong, as simple as that. There is absolutely no doubt that he touched the ball. Whether or not it means it wasn't a penalty, I don't know. Personally I think that was never a penalty. But either way, to say that Gomes didn't touch the ball at all is delusional.
He touched the ball slightly before his impact with Carrick; no penalty.
There's already a thread about the penalty...merging it.
It's amazing how many people appear to think that Fergie doesn't know what he's talking about.
It's amazing how many people appear to think that Fergie doesn't know what he's talking about.
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2809533
watch it again carefully and tell us how much of a touch gomes got... the pause button is a good thing btw
if you look at it again from the camera angle thats behind the keeper it shows that Carrick pushes the ball to the left not gomes
Have you got Fergie's email - he'd be interested. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
devilish has it, im sure fergie really studied it closely after the game
Watch this and tell me Gomes didn't touch the ball. Carrick distinctly shifts it with his right foot, and then you can clearly see it speeding up and changing direction. It wasn't his right foot, he'd just nudged the ball with that. It wasn't his left foot, it was still behind him. What was it then, if not Gomes?
It's fecking irrelevant. Extremely tough call and shit play by Gomes. Even with the replay, it's tough to see. 99% of refs call that a pen from Webb's position.
It's not fecking irrelevant to the statement "Gomes did not touch the ball". I don't pretend to be the ultimate authority on whether or not it was a penalty. Obviously it was a tough call to make. I just happen to think he made the wrong call, whether he could know it or not.
Every "expert" including Fergie is saying it wasn't a penalty.
We got a bad decision, end of. The point is, we've had bad decisions go against us too, so we don't need to justify this one at all.
We got a bad decision, end of. The point is, we've had bad decisions go against us too, so we don't need to justify this one at all.
Even with the replay, some don't see it that way, so good luck with your irrelevant battle on something that was already decided and many see another way.
IMO the replay is totally inconclusive either way. I still can't tell.
Carrick touched the ball to the left of Gomez, as Gomez goes down he barely affects the course of the balls forward progression , his (Gomez) forward motion takes Carrick down as he hits Carrick with his chest and torso, NOT his arms , penalty...feck off you frog faced twat redknapp
I'm sorry, but if you genuinely can't see from the slow-motion video that Gomes touched the ball, then you've got some problem with your vision.
I considered the possibility that you're now so entrenched in the view that he didn't touch it, that you don't want to go back on your claim. That wouldn't make much sense with your "it's irrelevant!" attitude, though. Of course, for something you obviously think is irrelevant and done, you seem to be spending a lot of time on arguing over it.
I don't care if it was a penalty or not. It doesn't change how I feel about the game (ecstatic, joyous, delirious) one bit. I just want to make sure people haven't started to lose their eyesight on this site. It could be a serious epidemic.
I'm calling this as truthfully as I can - Carrick touched the ball first with his right foot and knocked it to the left, Gomes managed to get the slightest of touches to the ball but he still made contact with Carrick as well. Just because he got a fingertip to the ball, does that excuse the fact he took the man as well? Everybody has their views, the majority of the media would have you believe we've committed the biggest crime in the world and it was the worst refereeing decision ever. Whether people think it's justified or not, we got the decision but we still had a lot of hard work to do after it as we were still losing, something folk seem to forget. What about the other four goals we scored? What about Pool getting poor decisions in their match that won them the game? (BTW, none of the papers mention about Mascherano's dive, it's all about our dodgy penalty).
No one's seriously contending that Gomes didn't push the ball wide are they? Webb was in no position to call that and should have a least given the benefit of the doubt to the defender. More poor reffing by the man who is now probably the worst ref in the PL.
The point I'm making is that it doesn't matter because contentious decisions have always been part of the game and always will, and there's no point in arguing about it one way or the other.
Fergie accepts that it was a dodgy decision and I don't know why we can't and everyone - us, Spurs fans, scousers etc - should just accept it as our lucky day, and also remember it next time one goes against us, which it has in the past, and will do in the future.
I said I couldn't tell either way, dipshit. That's one hell of a fecking argument I'm making.
Your sudden onset of a hostile attitude suggests that my previous assumption of you not having the integrity to admit you were wrong was actually right.
I'm glad we got that cleared up. Wouldn't want you to have to have to start wearing glasses.
Love the internet psychology. Never seen this tact before. How shockingly unique and clever.
I only called you a dickhead because you were being a dickhead. See, this comment
is designed to elicit an ad hominem response. It's called baiting. Thing is, I don't really give a shit and have no problem calling you a dickhead, so you can pretend to be better than.
No anger on this side, just calling the obvious.
Hey, look! There it is again. Aren't you a sassy girl?
So what you're saying is you still don't think he got a touch?
Well Im bemused by all this talk, having seen the replay 10billion times. You can see that carrick gets to the ball first, then gomes comes right through first making contact with carrick before touching the ball with his fingertips. According to the rules it should be a penalty cos gomes makes contact with the player before touching he ball. I can understand people arguing whether it should have been a penalty, but it wasn't a terrible decision by Webb.
Gomes makes contact with the ball first before making contact with Carrick.
Rubbish, as can be seen from the replays Webb had a clear view of the incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JORPeAJJHdw
you judge for yourself, but I think at least he's already made contact with carrick with his left arm before getting the ball.
you judge for yourself, but I think at least he's already made contact with carrick with his left arm before getting the ball.
I'm as shocked about that as I was when Ray Parlour and the crew here called it debatable..!!Good old George Hamilton.
Whelan and Houghton didn't agree though.
Surprise surprise.
If anything yesterday was debatable it was Liverpool's first at Hull..!you know, even if gomes had first got to the ball because he takes carrick out he denies carrick the opportunity to get back to the ball. The Dutch tv said it was a penalty, 2 ex players said so. I agree the penalty could be debated, but it wasn't a terrible decision.
Agreed SAF summed it up later, we didn't get one last week and got knocked out of the Cup, we got one this week and went top, that's football..!
Yes, Carrick got the ball first but then Gomes got a touch but by taking Carrick down he did deny him the opportunity to get the ball back. This will be debated for days on end, whether people think it's right or not I hardly think it's the worst refereeing decision that it's being made out to be.
