KN5
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Any league players on the forum? Would love to meet some more people on the game!
Use to play, not so much anymore.
yeah I still play it.Started playing again after 5 year hiatus. Anyone else play?
Surprisingly not that much different. Very slight map changes, new items and runes, new champions too. But the overall concept is still fairly similar.yeah I still play it.
With the success of Arcane it’s definitely picked up again. I’d imagine it’s a very different game to when you left it?
I think you put a message on my profile but it’s since vanished.yeah I still play it.
With the success of Arcane it’s definitely picked up again. I’d imagine it’s a very different game to when you left it?
Just got into that. Still trying to figure out my fav hero and role even. It's the deepest game ever surely.DOTA is where it's at.
nowhere near.Just got into that. Still trying to figure out my fav hero and role even. It's the deepest game ever surely.
Very steep learning curve. I usually play safe lane carry, but nothing quite like playing as pudge and getting some blind hooks.Just got into that. Still trying to figure out my fav hero and role even. It's the deepest game ever surely.
yeah DOTA is ridiculous hard for a new player. I usually play offlane or mid. Always ban Tinker.Very steep learning curve. I usually play safe lane carry, but nothing quite like playing as pudge and getting some blind hooks.
I would recommend playing with a friend, probably as a safe lane support whilst you learning. Also, maybe play turbos.
Who your favourite heroes to play with? I've been banning Huskar lately, seems unplayable at times.yeah DOTA is ridiculous hard for a new player. I usually play offlane or mid. Always ban Tinker.
Don't usually do Safelanes but Drow is amazing in this patch. I've tried Dazzle mid these days and its absolutely ridiculous to play once you get lvl6. I build arcane, hand of midas, guardian, solar crest and witchblade and melt down heroes. Try it.Who your favourite heroes to play with? I've been banning Huskar lately, seems unplayable at times.
minion denial? as in freezing the wave? that definitely exists if you know what you’re doingLeagues a lot more accessible if you haven't played a moba before the skill ceiling is however way lower as mechanics like minion denial don't exist in league.
Nah you can kill your own minions on dota its a mechanic stopping the last hit XP/goldminion denial? as in freezing the wave? that definitely exists if you know what you’re doing
Ah ok. That seems quite cheesy! in league you have to allow your opponents minions to kill your own. It's quite a skill to get the right balance, otherwise the wave just crashes into your turret and you lose gold yourself.Nah you can kill your own minions on dota its a mechanic stopping the last hit XP/gold
I (Lol player) played Dota once and knew about this mechanic, but didn't know how to execute it. What button do you need to press on the standard keybindings?Nah you can kill your own minions on dota its a mechanic stopping the last hit XP/gold
They're playing right nowOCE > NA
NA > OCE yeah i'm watching. No surprises just yet.They're playing right now
EG really should have beat g2 in the match before this as well. As it is looks like NA and Oce will be airport gang soon enough.NA > OCE yeah i'm watching. No surprises just yet.
I thought they'd blown it getting complacent with that baron throw, but the team fight difference showed eventually.EG really should have beat g2 in the match before this as well. As it is looks like NA and Oce will be airport gang soon enough.
You can only do it when the creep is in their last 10% of their health. I believe its usually bound to A by default, but you can change it in the config. Whatever your attack move is bound to. There's also a setting where you can right click to deny in settings.I (Lol player) played Dota once and knew about this mechanic, but didn't know how to execute it. What button do you need to press on the standard keybindings?
Why do you think Morde is bad? he is pretty strong these days - especially in a team fight Meta where you can isolate anybody with your ult and give your team the advantage.I haven't followed the pro scene closely in a while, but it seems pro play has stagnated.
A lot of really strong champions still are not getting picked because of their high skill ceiling.
Rengar for example hasn't been picked once at MSI according to gol.gg (either as a top laner or jungle in combination with lane Ivern)
A lot of really crappy champions keep getting picked because of comfort. Lee Sin after the millionth nerf. Right now I'm watching a Mordekaiser top, quite easily the worst champion in the game.
@Reapersoul20 thanks, I'll keep it in mind the next time I'm bullied into playing it.
Morde was a somewhat acceptable pick in that G2 vs EG game because the enemy comp was one that runs into you (Ornn, Wukong, LB, Kaisa, Naut)Why do you think Morde is bad? he is pretty strong these days - especially in a team fight Meta where you can isolate anybody with your ult and give your team the advantage.
good post, I don’t play top lane so your knowledge is clearly better than mine on this.Morde was a somewhat acceptable pick in that G2 vs EG game because the enemy comp was one that runs into you (Ornn, Wukong, LB, Kaisa, Naut)
He has a lot of losing matchups. He doesn't beat any of the meta blind picks and he's easily counter picked. It's a free lane for Camille for example. She outscales and if she ults your isolated Q (inside of death realm), which any professional player should be able to pull off 100% of the time Morde can never kill her. Then there's GP which is god tier if you have hands and he absolutely shit stomps Morde. Morde doesn't even beat Ornn in lane, if the Ornn is skilled (and he outscales by giving his team 5k extra gold and having an engage button, unlike Morde) and this has been demonstrated plenty in LCK since Morde's rework back when both were meta (season 8/9?)
His abilities are way too telegraphed, so they're easily dodged. There is too much counter play inside of the game to fulfil his fantasy of ulting you and hitting his isolated Q. To name a few things:
Even pro's, who typically love playing these simple stat check champions seem to agree with me. He's only been picked twice at MSI by 2 shit teams from shit regions.
- Built in stasis and dodge abilities: There's absolutely nothing a Morde can do to Wukong cloning out of your isolated Q, or Camille/Fizz using their invulnerability frames. GP and Rengar can literally cleanse your ult with a basic ability.
- For champs that don't have either. They can build zhonya's which is a ridiculously broken item regardless of there being a Morde in the game or not. Never mind you can get the stopwatch for only 650 gold and then instantly have it's cooldown refreshed on upgrading it to Zhonya.
Then there's QSS and big hypercarry's like Jinx and Aphelios demolish Mordekaiser who becomes a walking pinata when ADCs build this item.- A lot of champs can outduel Morde. Bruisers with a wits end or BORK for example. Sett would often do this back when these champs were meta. If the morde falls behind it isn't even needed. A champ like Jax smashes him in lane, beats him at all stages of the game (even if he's even, which he should never be) without having to itemize specifically against him.
- Tanks can tank through his ult unless they're too far behind and this was demonstrated by BrokenBlade in the G2 vs EG game, where he survived and just walked back to his turret.
- Walls. It's nearly impossible for the Morde to get a ult off in an area without walls to dash over. There's too many dashes (and walls on the map) in the game. They can also flash, which means you're screwed as Morde if you don't have your flash, and even if you do, you still have to somewhat guess where they went.
When counter play such as this exist, Morde's play pattern becomes:
Or:
- Ult the jungler so he can't smite
For Morde to be a viable champion he needs to have bigger numbers on all his abilities and be able to stat check everyone out of lane, the point where he's becomes pick/ban, which Riot will never allow on an older champion that is so easy to play.
- Ult a strong champion and use zhonya's to take them out the fight. This is quite low value from a utility standpoint compared to an Orrn granting his team 5k gold and an engage button.
He's really good in casual levels of play because people don't know the counter play and panic when they get ulted. Most of the enemy team will need to know the counter play to make him useless. If they don't, the Mordekaiser can keep ulting the enemy player who doesn't.
He seems stronger than he is because he's also easier to play than the enemy champs (who as a result will feed you).
The Camille requires way more skill and knowledge to stay even (and as a result outscale) than the Mordekaiser in that match up. Even in plat+ on the stats sites I see a 52,50% winrate for the Mordekaiser in this matchup. Any pro player could tell you this matchup isn't Morde favoured. Here's Drututt (best Camille EUW) explaining how easy the matchup is. Different patch, but the trade patterns and principles still apply: Drututt matchup guide