Exactly what we need upfront. A nasty bully of a centre forward. Instead of the flowers we currently have.
Liam Delap | £30m release clause?
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Is it not? I think his price definitely makes that an issue, considering he's never played in a top 5 league. The United pressure is a given for everyone. At least with Delap that's one less thing you have to worry about.
He did, but that's also not quite the same. I don't think so either, provided he's played to his strengths, I think he'd end up playing where Garnacho is rather than Hojlund in our side. He seems to do his best work in the channels.
I think Osimhen is too limited in his play for what I'd expect in this current side, but if we invest in our creativity this summer (wingbacks, 10s and midfielders) he would probably be the best option out there.
I think Delap offers a lot of everything, with a lot of scope for improvement. He's a 1 in 3 non-pk goals striker, at a very poor Ipswich side. He's a great ball carrier too. I think if the 40m price tag is true, we'd be mad to pass on it.
£50-55m isn't a big fee for Gyokeres, especially when you consider Delap's rumored release clause is at 40m. That's a negligible difference when you consider the difference in quality between the two, and it shouldn't be a problem for us to pay the hypothetical 10-15m more if we're selling any combination of Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho, Shaw, Hojlund et al.
The price difference between Delap and Gyokeres/Osimhen isn’t even that much. Given they both have played at much higher levels and have better goal scoring pedegree you would be mad to pay 40m for Delap when you can pay 55-60m for Gyokeres/Osimhen.
The main issue is can we convince either to come or not. If we can its a no brainer.
Fair enough if that quoted price is true. That would surprise me though. Even so, based on our finances, it's actually not that negligible and in % it's a big difference.
I personally have some reservations about how Gyokeres plays and whether that will translate to the league and our team. We'll see though, as I'm sure he'll be on the move in the summer.
I thought the gap was a bit bigger than that, but my point still stands in the reply above. Gyokeres hasn't really played at a much higher level to be fair, we're talking about a league where Bas Dost and Nunez were golden boot winners. Osimhen, sure, but he comes with his own limitations.
We are also talking about the Champions league, Europa League and International level. Delap has zero said experience.
By virtue of being 22 vs 26. Gyokeres was in the championship at Delap's current age.
At the moment, Delap has the key experience of the league, which is the only real thing that matters. If he merely replicated his goals from Ipswich's measly chance creation at United, he'd be our top scorer. I'm much more confident that translates than both Gyokeres or Osimhen's current records.
Its definitely not the only key thing that matters which is why a large proportion of the top players in the PL are imports from other leagues. I couldn’t care less about where he was at the same age, the point was Osimhen and Gyokeres are more experienced strikers who have played at higher levels and that is why they would be better signings for what we need right now. Has we already had an established striker then sure Delap would be a decent buy
I haven't seen a lot of him but he seems worth it for £40m.
I'd love him for Ireland.
He seems better than Hojlund at least and there's not too many strikers available.
It's difficult to say if he has a lower or higher ceiling than Osimhen and Gyokeres.
I've liked him when I have seen him play. I like his fire. Which is definitely something we lack.
But yeah, no idea what his ceiling is. Whether he can genuinely be a CL-level player, or a Palace-level player who is annoying to play against. That's for United to figure out.
I think his goal return for a Championship-level Ipswich is encouraging.
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This makes literally no sense to me. Other than being a bit of a d*ck, is there anything in his showing this season that is better than Hojlund last season?
Would be an enormous waste of money on a technically poor player. There have to be better options at what would be a significant price.
Would be an enormous waste of money on a technically poor player. There have to be better options at what would be a significant price.
Surely the issue is that a release clause has to be met in full whereas Ipswich would probably take Delap’s fee over 3-4 years. I would also suggest Gyokeres probably has offers from elsewhere who can offer him CL football. I expect he’ll end up at Arsenal or similar.
We’ve already got to shell out £80-90m on past signings plus the debt interest and you’re kidding yourself if you think this ownership is going to use 100% of any funds raised back into the squad.
There’s no market for half the players you’ve suggested getting rid of either.
Maybe things will change if United get into the CL. I have a feeling Sesko is going to be one of the best strikers in the World within a couple of years. But they probably won't be in for him if they don't qualify for Europe.
He seems to be a better version of Evan Ferguson maybe but seems a bit quicker.
He seems to have a bit of everything.
We need to be realistic about who we can afford and who we can attract.
Winning the EL changes everything though in terms of budget and attractiveness.
40m is nothing though. Our budget could be 200m for the summer.
Agreed, at least with Sesko I can see the technical skills and finishing variety that you'd want from a true CF. Delap hustles alot, is a physical handful but that's really it. See nothing there at all suggesting he's in any way better than Rasmus tbh.
We’re definitely selling at least 5 players this summer imo. Even if it’s at reduced rates, that’s still better than keeping them on the books. Rashford and Antony’s loans will increase their sale values this summer. We will probably need to find another loan for Sancho or else a very cheap sale that factors in his expensive wages in exchange for a lower transfer fee. Shaw is almost certainly also a sale since we have Dorgu and Leon, and one of Garnacho or Mainoo will probably go as well, in addition to the four out of contract guys getting released (Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans, and Heaton). If you add one or both of Hojlund and Zirkzee to the mix, that’s probably upwards of 150-200m in revenue to pay off the 80m in annual payments plus add more funds to Amorim’s budget to buy a top striker and another attacker.
Seems to have been a brief today that he’s our number one target. Personally I’d be very happy as think he could become a top tier striker in the next few seasons and already a very good one now!
He looks better than Hojlund at least.
He came up through Man City so is probably better coached in terms of movements and forward play.
They can still survive but would need to win every game.
I think he’s basically a better version of what Hojlund should be - by which I mean our secondary striker, coming in when the main man isn’t playing. Seeing as we’ve got Hojlund for that, I think we should be aiming higher. But it all depends what we’ve got the budget for. If we can’t get a top striker, he might have to do.
I can comfortably site you the 1000s of players that have played the game under world class coaching that have ended up significantly better than they were aged 20. Even close to 50 that have played for United alone without reference to ANY crystal ball. It's not remotely as hard as you are making it out to be. In general talented players DO improve. In general almost all players retire as vastly different players to the raw ones they were at 20. Its truly amazing you are eager to debate such.
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Is he good in the air?
0 headed goals
Great
Forgot about that, connection to Wilcox then.
Expecting this one to happen to be honest.
Won't mind buying him as I essentially think he's what Hojlund was supposed to be.
But I really hope if we do go for him it's in tandem with a more senior striker.
But I really hope if we do go for him it's in tandem with a more senior striker.
To the best of my knowledge, Wilcox and Delap were there at different times. Delap was a youth player at Derby County when Wilcox was managing the City under 18s.
That's the hope. If we buy a proper striker plus Delap and get rid of Hojlund and Zirkzee in the process, I would be impressed.
I think Wilcox was the one who identified him and recruited him to Man City. Even think Pep at one point praised Wilcox for it.
Wilcox was City's academy director until 2023.
Thanks. His Wiki is a bit confusing as it doesn't list it under his roles on the right side of the page.
At least we're guaranteed genetically enhanced throw ins to compliment Onana's distribution.
Nobody will pay a decent fee for Hojlund. We could loan him out I guess.
Sesko is my first choice of available options, but I’d have Delap second. I don’t believe in Osimhen or Gyokeres, and so have a sneaky feeling that Delap can become England’s next great striker after Kane.
People have been objecting to his arrogance in this thread, but it’s exactly what gives me confidence in him. The players that need to take the responsibility to score the goals for the team need to believe that they are the shit.
People have been objecting to his arrogance in this thread, but it’s exactly what gives me confidence in him. The players that need to take the responsibility to score the goals for the team need to believe that they are the shit.
They were both there from 2019 to 2023.
I don't think we are getting good fees for any of our players thought to be on the move, with the possible exceptions of Rashford and Garnacho. That still wouldn't justify keeping Hojlund on the books. He has to be sold this summer before his value drops any further.
It's hard to get a decent fee and have wages covered.
We'd probably have to accept a small fee and pay half his wages.
It's probably easier to just keep him and rotate with Delal or whoever we buy.
We'll surely improve next season and he might score more.