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Nasa's Curiosity rover has detected methane on Mars - a gas that could hint at past or present life on the planet.

The robot sees very low-level amounts constantly in the background, but it also has monitored a number of short-lived spikes that are 10 times higher.

Methane on the Red Planet is intriguing because here on Earth, 95% of the gas comes from microbial organisms.

Researchers have hung on to the hope that the molecule's signature at Mars might also indicate a life presence.

The Curiosity team cannot identify the source of its methane, but the leading candidate is underground stores that are periodically disturbed.

Curiosity scientist Sushil Atreya said it was possible that so-called clathrates were involved.

"These are molecular cages of water-ice in which methane gas is trapped. From time to time, these could be destabilised, perhaps by some mechanical or thermal stress, and the methane gas would be released to find its way up through cracks or fissures in the rock to enter the atmosphere," the University of Michigan professor told BBC News.

This, of course, still leaves open the question of how the methane (CH4) got into the clathrate stores in the first place.

It could have come from Martian bugs; it could also have come from a natural process, such as serpentinisation, which sees methane produced when water interacts with certain rock types.

At the moment, it is all speculation. But at least Curiosity has now made the detection.

Enriched samples
It was concerning that for many months the robot could not see a gas that was being observed by orbiting spacecraft at Mars and by telescopes at Earth.

People were beginning to wonder if the other sightings were reliable.

Curiosity is located in a deep bowl on Mars' equator known as Gale Crater.

It has been sucking in Martian air and scanning its components since shortly after landing in August 2012.

For gases that have very low concentrations in the atmosphere, the robot can employ a special technique in which it expels the most abundant molecule - carbon dioxide - before analysing the sample.

This has the effect of enriching and amplifying any residual chemistry.

And in doing this for methane, Curiosity finds that there is a persistent signature of about 0.7 parts per billion by volume.

To put that in context, in Earth's atmosphere, you would expect to see around 1,750 parts per billion by volume of air. It is the difference between a few tens of thousands of tonnes in Mars' air, and the many billions of tonnes that exist in Earth's atmosphere.

The background detection is a bit lower than theoretical models had anticipated. It was thought that just the action of sunlight on the carbon compounds in cosmic dust falling to Mars would release a certain level of CH4.

"I don't think there is a big disagreement there; our result is to within an order of magnitude. That's quite satisfying," said Dr Paul Mahaffy, the lead investigator on Curiosity's Surface Analysis at Mars instrument.

Life's preference
The spikes in methane that Curiosity saw occurred on four occasions during the course of a two-month period.

They varied between about 7 and 9 parts per billion by volume.

It is likely, the team says, that the gas is being released relatively nearby, either within the crater or just outside.

Curiosity's weather station suggests it is blowing in from the north, from the direction of the crater rim.

One way to investigate whether the methane on Mars has a biological or a geological origin would be to study the types, or isotopes, of carbon atom in the gas.

On Earth, life favours a lighter version of the element (carbon-12), over a heavier one (carbon-13).

A high C-12 to C-13 ratio in ancient Earth rocks has been interpreted as evidence that biological activity existed on our world as much as four billion years ago.

If scientists could find similar evidence on Mars, it would be startling. But, sadly, the volumes of methane detected by Curiosity are simply too small to run this kind of experiment.

"If we had enriched our sample during one of the peaks, we might have had a shot at looking at these isotopes," explained Dr Mahaffy.

"I think there is still some hope. If the methane comes back, and we can enrich it, we'll certainly be trying."



http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30456664


What a time to be alive if something like this can be confirmed
 

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Nasa's Curiosity rover has detected methane on Mars - a gas that could hint at past or present life on the planet.

The robot sees very low-level amounts constantly in the background, but it also has monitored a number of short-lived spikes that are 10 times higher.

Methane on the Red Planet is intriguing because here on Earth, 95% of the gas comes from microbial organisms.

Researchers have hung on to the hope that the molecule's signature at Mars might also indicate a life presence.

The Curiosity team cannot identify the source of its methane, but the leading candidate is underground stores that are periodically disturbed.

Curiosity scientist Sushil Atreya said it was possible that so-called clathrates were involved.

"These are molecular cages of water-ice in which methane gas is trapped. From time to time, these could be destabilised, perhaps by some mechanical or thermal stress, and the methane gas would be released to find its way up through cracks or fissures in the rock to enter the atmosphere," the University of Michigan professor told BBC News.

This, of course, still leaves open the question of how the methane (CH4) got into the clathrate stores in the first place.

It could have come from Martian bugs; it could also have come from a natural process, such as serpentinisation, which sees methane produced when water interacts with certain rock types.

At the moment, it is all speculation. But at least Curiosity has now made the detection.

Enriched samples
It was concerning that for many months the robot could not see a gas that was being observed by orbiting spacecraft at Mars and by telescopes at Earth.

People were beginning to wonder if the other sightings were reliable.

Curiosity is located in a deep bowl on Mars' equator known as Gale Crater.

It has been sucking in Martian air and scanning its components since shortly after landing in August 2012.

For gases that have very low concentrations in the atmosphere, the robot can employ a special technique in which it expels the most abundant molecule - carbon dioxide - before analysing the sample.

This has the effect of enriching and amplifying any residual chemistry.

And in doing this for methane, Curiosity finds that there is a persistent signature of about 0.7 parts per billion by volume.

To put that in context, in Earth's atmosphere, you would expect to see around 1,750 parts per billion by volume of air. It is the difference between a few tens of thousands of tonnes in Mars' air, and the many billions of tonnes that exist in Earth's atmosphere.

The background detection is a bit lower than theoretical models had anticipated. It was thought that just the action of sunlight on the carbon compounds in cosmic dust falling to Mars would release a certain level of CH4.

"I don't think there is a big disagreement there; our result is to within an order of magnitude. That's quite satisfying," said Dr Paul Mahaffy, the lead investigator on Curiosity's Surface Analysis at Mars instrument.

Life's preference
The spikes in methane that Curiosity saw occurred on four occasions during the course of a two-month period.

They varied between about 7 and 9 parts per billion by volume.

It is likely, the team says, that the gas is being released relatively nearby, either within the crater or just outside.

Curiosity's weather station suggests it is blowing in from the north, from the direction of the crater rim.

One way to investigate whether the methane on Mars has a biological or a geological origin would be to study the types, or isotopes, of carbon atom in the gas.

On Earth, life favours a lighter version of the element (carbon-12), over a heavier one (carbon-13).

A high C-12 to C-13 ratio in ancient Earth rocks has been interpreted as evidence that biological activity existed on our world as much as four billion years ago.

If scientists could find similar evidence on Mars, it would be startling. But, sadly, the volumes of methane detected by Curiosity are simply too small to run this kind of experiment.

"If we had enriched our sample during one of the peaks, we might have had a shot at looking at these isotopes," explained Dr Mahaffy.

"I think there is still some hope. If the methane comes back, and we can enrich it, we'll certainly be trying."



http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30456664


What a time to be alive if something like this can be confirmed

Given the news recently Mars sounds like a much nicer place to live than Earth.
 

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Exciting news but meh at microbes.

Only time i think we can well and truly rejoice in the fact that we've discovered life on another planet is when we discover more complex life, even something like a cockroach - But if Micobes are on another planet and our nearest planet, you've got to think life is probably common everywhere.

There could be several Planetary/Moon bodies in our solar system that has life (Earth/Mars/Europa/Titan/Ganymede/Callisto)
 

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Exciting news but meh at microbes.

Only time i think we can well and truly rejoice in the fact that we've discovered life on another planet is when we discover more complex life, even something like a cockroach - But if Micobes are on another planet and our nearest planet, you've got to think life is probably common everywhere.

There could be several Planetary/Moon bodies in our solar system that has life (Earth/Mars/Europa/Titan/Ganymede/Callisto)
It would be pretty big in that "alien" life would actually be a reality, presuming at least there wasn't a common origin to both forms elsewhere that crashed into both planets. If we found it on Mars (even just fossilised) and Europa, the further implication would be that where it can exist, it likely will exist - 3 independent genesises within a single solar system. There's obviously a long way from simple life to complex life and again to intelligent life, but it improves the odds of the latter dramatically when you consider the number of habitable worlds likely within our galaxy alone (billions).
 

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Atleast 100+ billion galaxies in the observable universe spanning 13+ billion light years with the possibility of billions, trillions, if not infinite expanses beyond that.

Atleast 120+ billion stars within our host galaxy itself with a great number of new ones created in the gas clouds near the core and interstellar pocket nebulae.

We can only perceive what our senses allow us to, so that doesn't even account for life-forms existing in other dimensions and using a different set of senses.

Fair to say we can't possibly be the only intelligent life-form in existence.

3 independent genesises within a single solar system.
We can't be sure of it though mate. All these life-forms could've started on a primordial level in the Oort clouds and the bombardment of rogue comets or asteroids or meteor showers could've scattered them through the solar system, giving them all a different course of evolution depending on the planetary conditions.
 

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Atleast 100+ billion galaxies in the observable universe spanning 13+ billion light years with the possibility of billions, trillions, if not infinite expanses beyond that.

Atleast 120+ billion stars within our host galaxy itself with a great number of new ones created in the gas clouds near the core and interstellar pocket nebulae.

We can only perceive what our senses allow us to, so that doesn't even account for life-forms existing in other dimensions and using a different set of senses.

Fair to say we can't possibly be the only intelligent life-form in existence.



We can't be sure of it though mate. All these life-forms could've started on a primordial level in the Oort clouds and the bombardment of rogue comets or asteroids or meteor showers could've scattered them through the solar system, giving them all a different course of evolution depending on the planetary conditions.
True, but I think if they could be genetically sequenced it would allow us to gain a reasonable degree of certainty as to whether that did or didn't happen. Would still be pretty mind-blowing if there'd been some basic form of life floating about in the remnant of a supernova!
 

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True, but I think if they could be genetically sequenced it would allow us to gain a reasonable degree of certainty as to whether that did or didn't happen. Would still be pretty mind-blowing if there'd been some basic form of life floating about in the remnant of a supernova!
Yup, fair point about the genetic sequencing mate.

Though with our current understanding levels, we can't provide any edifying data to form an educated opinion about the source of their genesis. Any conclusion derived will be largely predicated on guesswork.

It'll be interesting to know what data the Webb Telescope comes up with. :)
 

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Yup, fair point about the genetic sequencing mate.

Though with our current understanding levels, we can't provide any edifying data to form an educated opinion about the source of their genesis. Any conclusion derived will be largely predicated on guesswork.

It'll be interesting to know what data the Webb Telescope comes up with. :)
Will indeed, if it's ever launched! Being able to spot atmospheres on exoplanets will be handy for this kind of thing.
 

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Exciting news but meh at microbes.

Only time i think we can well and truly rejoice in the fact that we've discovered life on another planet is when we discover more complex life, even something like a cockroach - But if Micobes are on another planet and our nearest planet, you've got to think life is probably common everywhere.

There could be several Planetary/Moon bodies in our solar system that has life (Earth/Mars/Europa/Titan/Ganymede/Callisto)

Nature is freaky. I've no doubt it's everywhere. I wouldn't dismiss microbes.
 

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Its all a bit anti-climactic imo. Surely water exists elsewhere so life wouldn't be much of a surprise.
 

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Not that exciting unless something a bit more interesting, like others have said.

Sure it proves alien life, but I think most people already think that it exists elsewhere anyway.
 

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Not that exciting unless something a bit more interesting, like others have said.

Sure it proves alien life, but I think most people already think that it exists elsewhere anyway.
Thinking it a likelihood, and knowing it with the potential to be able to study its genetic make-up are worlds apart. Getting an actual alien microbe under a microscope would be one of the major scientific events of the century.
 

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Exciting news but meh at microbes.

Only time i think we can well and truly rejoice in the fact that we've discovered life on another planet is when we discover more complex life, even something like a cockroach
Microbes are a little underwhelming. We need something one or two rungs higher on the ladder of life.

A cockroach is probably too much to hope for.. But maybe a Phil Jones?
 

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Exciting news but meh at microbes.
Where do you think all life on earth came from? Microbes that had evolved from inorganic molecules on other worlds would be the biggest new in my lifetime and possibly many lifetimes. If it has happened twice in two planets next to each other the chances of it having happened elsewhere and probably many many elsewhere increases significantly.

That said methane doesn't necessarily mean life had arisen on Mars.
 

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The problem with space exploration is that it's glacially slow. Unless ET shows up on our doorstep (which I'd rather not happen), I doubt anyone alive today will ever see an alien microbe, even if they're scattered all over the solar system.
 

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The problem with space exploration is that it's glacially slow. Unless ET shows up on our doorstep (which I'd rather not happen), I doubt anyone alive today will ever see an alien microbe, even if they're scattered all over the solar system.
Its also a bit boring unless one can go much further than the next planet.
 

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There's a rover scheduled to get to Mars in five years with the ability to detect life, extinct or extant. Sending a probe into Europa's ocean is more than possible by the 2040s, when I'd certainly like to think I'll still be around to take note. There's stuff going on with space exploration all the time - there'll be a flyby of Pluto-Charon in the middle of next year, just after Dawn goes into orbit around the solar system's largest asteroid (which is also now a dwarf planet). Rosetta will be orbiting, sampling and taking high resolution images of a comet as it swings around the Sun pretty soon, and Philae may even wake up. The main problem with space exploration is that it's continually underfunded.
 

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Thinking it a likelihood, and knowing it with the potential to be able to study its genetic make-up are worlds apart. Getting an actual alien microbe under a microscope would be one of the major scientific events of the century.
Well I take it back, it would be pretty interesting but surely it'd still just be something we base theories on like we already do anyway?
We probably already know what we're going to find to an extent, if we find it, don't we?

No it doesn't.
Ok. Why so blunt?

It's a form of life that is alien to us, no?
 

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Well I take it back, it would be pretty interesting but surely it'd still just be something we base theories on like we already do anyway?
We probably already know what we're going to find to an extent, if we find it, don't we?
That's the thing, we have no real idea because we've only got one example of it happening before. We'd certainly base new theories on it, but they'd be based on newly acquired factual information, namely - the first form of life discovered on a planet other than our own. Maybe it'll have come into existence completely separately from us, have a completely different genome and may even have evolved in different and interesting ways albeit to a low level. Or it may actually be a cousin to our own planet's life, having descended from the same microbes that hitched a ride to both planets on comets and asteroids - also a really interesting find with massive implications. Either way, it'll be pretty monumental and spark new directions of enquiry, new experiments to send in to space to test new theories and generally just inform us that there is, unequivocally, more to life than Earth.


Ok. Why so blunt?

It's a form of life that is alien to us, no?
If it's discovered, yes. But currently they've just detected methane (which was known about previously from orbital observations) which could be caused by active or past life, or it could have other, more sterile and less exciting explanations. Unfortunately Curiosity isn't equipped to test for life itself, another rover will have to go check for that.
 

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Thinking it a likelihood, and knowing it with the potential to be able to study its genetic make-up are worlds apart. Getting an actual alien microbe under a microscope would be one of the major scientific events of the century.
Exactly! I wouldn't even say genetic makeup - we are used to this wording, because all life on earth evolved from common ancestors, so we all (humans, animals, plans, microbes, etc.) share the same genetic building blocks, but microbes from other planets might not even have genes - they might have a completely different chemistry and way to pass information and replicate. This would be the biggest discovery of our lifetimes!

On the other hand they might turn out pretty similar to us, with same kind of chemistry and even we could share some genes. This would prove the panspermia theory, that life has spread around from a source that might even be outside of out solar system - pretty big news too.
 

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Exactly! I wouldn't even say genetic makeup - we are used to this wording, because all life on earth evolved from common ancestors, so we all (humans, animals, plans, microbes, etc.) share the same genetic building blocks, but microbes from other planets might not even have genes - they might have a completely different chemistry and way to pass information and replicate. This would be the biggest discovery of our lifetimes!

On the other hand they might turn out pretty similar to us, with same kind of chemistry and even we could share some genes. This would prove the panspermia theory, that life has spread around from a source that might even be outside of out solar system - pretty big news too.
Very true, my bad. Extremely easy to fall back into earth-centric thinking!

Of course there's the other option in all this that we scour the solar system for evidence of life and find nothing, which would be rather depressing.
 

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but microbes from other planets might not even have genes - they might have a completely different chemistry and way to pass information and replicate.
It's hard to imagine how life could have evolved without some kind of self-replicating molecule. It doesn't have to be DNA though.

What's needed, I suppose, is some mechanism whereby living tissue can make potentially imperfect copies of itself. You'd think that would have to begin at the molecular level.
 

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Life or not, we're going there.

Maybe that will give a reason to focus on something different then wars and economical depressions. Would be brilliant if we could find some resources underneath the surface.
 

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Life or not, we're going there.

Maybe that will give a reason to focus on something different then wars and economical depressions. Would be brilliant if we could find some resources underneath the surface.
And an ancient Martian machine of some kind, that when activated created a breathable atmosphere.....
 

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It's hard to imagine how life could have evolved without some kind of self-replicating molecule. It doesn't have to be DNA though.

What's needed, I suppose, is some mechanism whereby living tissue can make potentially imperfect copies of itself. You'd think that would have to begin at the molecular level.
That's what makes it so exciting - we can't even imagine the possibilities...
 

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Life can't arise without some sort of way of passing information on from generation to generation that is subject to selection pressures. What that looks like in alien life would be fascinating. I have my doubts about non-carbon based life forms existing and it may be that the bases and amino acids were are familiar with are ubiquitous. Either way would be incredibly interesting.
 

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Life or not, we're going there.

Maybe that will give a reason to focus on something different then wars and economical depressions. Would be brilliant if we could find some resources underneath the surface.
The problem with Mars has to do with the asteroid belt, the chances to get hit are too great for us to colonize.