Losing 3(+) times at home in a PL season

[Chabon]

Just the seventh time we’ve managed it since football was invented. Thrice under Fergie, once each under Moyes and LVG, and now twice with Ole at the wheel:

01/02 - 6 defeats in 19
03/04 - 3 defeats in 19
12/13 - 3 defeats in 19
13/14 - 7 defeats in 19
14/15 - 3 defeats in 19
18/19 - 3 defeats in 19
20/21 - 3 defeats in 4

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Don't worry, we'll win or draw the rest of the home games

 

[Tingen]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

 

[Orestetes]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

Strange that this only affects us and not the other top teams.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Just the seventh time we’ve managed it since football was invented. Thrice under Fergie, once each under Moyes and LVG, and now twice with Ole at the wheel:

01/02 - 6 defeats in 19
03/04 - 3 defeats in 19
12/13 - 3 defeats in 19
13/14 - 7 defeats in 19
14/15 - 3 defeats in 19
18/19 - 3 defeats in 19
20/21 - 3 defeats in 4

Was he in charge for those 3 home defeats in 18/19?

 

[Bastian]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

The goal posts have been moved quite a bit now regarding playing at home. Last week Ole was talking about maybe needing to do something differently in our preparation for home matches, tonight there are no home or away matches, it's all the same.

I don't care if there is no crowd at OT, it's a home match and we are expected to win.

 

[sullydnl]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

The stats definitely don't back up the idea that home advantage is nullified without fans.

 

[Bastian]

Was he in charge for those 3 home defeats in 18/19?

Against Cardiff and City, Mourinho against Spurs.

 

[NoLogo]

Ole is ambitious and hunting for records.

 

[Maurice Setters Training]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

This. And the current Arsenal team is no gimme in, what is effectively, a neutral venue. Lack of proper preseason might have impacted the Palace and Spurs result as well.

 

[Hound Dog]

Strange that this only affects us and not the other top teams.

It affects everyone, you can post as many shor-term counterexamples as you want, the home field advantage is a thing and is not the same without fans.

Also, as thins sounds like a comparison with City/Liverpool, in what universe are United still a top team? Teams on a similar level - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal; have all already dropped points at home.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

The stats definitely don't back up the idea that home advantage is nullified without fans.

They do it is a clear difference.

 

[VorZakone]

The stats definitely don't back up the idea that home advantage is nullified without fans.

They do it is a clear difference.

So which is it? Do the stats show that home advantage has decreased?

 

[sullydnl]

They do it is a clear difference.

Not the stats I've seen:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/09/home-advantage-fans

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/202...show-greater-benefit-of-home-advantage-in-pl/

 

[GledTheRed]

Worst thing is theses cnuts who've turned us over will probably have a crowd for the return fixture in which we will probably lose, Chavs, Spurs, Gooners.

 

[croadyman]

Strange that this only affects us and not the other top teams.

Well said

 

[yumtum]

Worst thing is theses cnuts who've turned us over will probably have a crowd for the return fixture in which we will probably lose, Chavs, Spurs, Gooners.

Like they wouldn't turn us over anyway...

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Wasn't there a study at one point that suggested home advantage is purely a result of the crowd influencing referee decisions?

 

[GledTheRed]

Wasn't there a study at one point that suggested home advantage is purely a result of the crowd influencing referee decisions?

In that case it might have influenced one of their centre halves getting correctly sent off for two yellows.

 

[Botim]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

Yes, home advantage isn't what it normally is, but not a single team has a worse home/away difference. It's remarkable really...

 

[Ekkie Thump]

Not the stats I've seen:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/09/home-advantage-fans

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/202...show-greater-benefit-of-home-advantage-in-pl/

It's a bit weird. That's the end of last season only. This season the stats are basically reversed.

Behind closed doors:
Last season: P: 92 W:43 D:20 L:29 (W: 46.7% D:21.7% L:31.5%)
This season: P: 66 W:23 D:13 L:30 (W: 34.8% D:19.7% L:45.5%)

Maybe it's just sample size but it does seem to be a thing this season.

 

[432JuanMata]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

Yeah that is actually true. But to counteract that we have been excellent away because other teams don’t have fans, we might of won a home game this season if there was fans but we could of lost at Brighton or Newcastle if they had fans

 

[Sylar]

12/13 was annoying cos we were so far ahead. Im sure we lost 2 of our last 4 home games, and only won like 3 of our last 9 or something. We 'could' have gone for 100 points if the players hadnt switched off by then (but then again, they deserved it and we still won the league by 11 points)

Our home form is worrying. I want to say thankfully we got West Brom next at home, and Martial returning, but who knows...

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I get your point - it’s been terrible - though it should be remembered that the 4 matches have been without spectators which kinda nullifies a lot of the home advantage compared to the other seasons listed.

So by the time we get fans back we could be in serious trouble. If anything the fans actually make the United players nervous at times.

 

[Orestetes]

It affects everyone, you can post as many shor-term counterexamples as you want, the home field advantage is a thing and is not the same without fans.

Also, as thins sounds like a comparison with City/Liverpool, in what universe are United still a top team? Teams on a similar level - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal; have all already dropped points at home.

Who cares? Stop making dumb excuses for the crap football we're getting served. Losing 1-6 at home to Spurs has nothing to do with the absence of home fans.