What’s the story with him? Prior to him signing for City I had never heard of him, and now he looks like the best CB in the league.Their recruitment has been vastly superior to ours. All that talent and Dias is their highest transfer fee at £64m.
Your "cnuts" are probably the most successful owners in PL history, or am I missing something?As someone said above they are bound to win the CL eventually with the amount being spent. Just like PSG are also bound to win it eventually.
Fair fecks to the sheikhs for actually caring about the club unlike our cnuts.
Glazers ?Your "cnuts" are probably the most successful owners in PL history, or am I missing something?
It's just another CL final to Real, the players know the score. The pressure on City will be immense and none of them have ever dealt with that before. They could easily crumble.Agree, think City would easily beat Real. Aside Benzema there's not much to trouble City. The midfield is good but would get out-pressed. Chelsea are a better match up but City will still be heavy favourites. It won't be like the FA Cup where Pep rested quite a few players.
Without trying to sound like a dick to City fans, I honestly don't know how many PL's they've won. Is it two? Is it six? Not bothered to check either.With the passage of time, this period of football will be the asterisk decade.
They took over in 2005 and have won 5 PL trophies since football began. And one CL with a couple of finals.Glazers ?
That would be a valid argument if not for the fact that all but one of the defenders Pep has bought for us is still in the squad and playing regularly to this day...People saying their spending has been superior. But on the other hand look how much money has Pep been on defense until he got it right. It seemed like every year he buys at least 2 fullbacks and 1 centreback. It's easy to assemble that kind of team when you don't need to think about the money.
That's why imo their potential CL win won't be anything special.
But everyone knows exactly how many Liverpool have wonWithout trying to sound like a dick to City fans, I honestly don't know how many PL's they've won. Is it two? Is it six? Not bothered to check either.
And taking millions out in the process. We were successful in spite of glazers not because of them. In fact thanks to their greediness we never built on sir alex's success.They took over in 2005 and have won 5 PL trophies since football began. And one CL with a couple of finals.
? So as long as everyone plays regularly it is fine how many players you keep buying?That would be a valid argument if not for the fact that all but one of the defenders Pep has bought for us is still in the squad and playing regularly to this day...
He really hasn't bought that many defenders. You're seeing what you want to see. That's all.
That's exactly it. Other than the first one, which was an emotional roller coaster due to how close it was between us, I haven't really been all that bothered by City and latterly Pep. If anything, I was more arsed that they'd won the FA Cup the season prior as it meant we could no longer have that ticker in the Stretty stating how long it had been since they last won a trophy.Without trying to sound like a dick to City fans, I honestly don't know how many PL's they've won. Is it two? Is it six? Not bothered to check either.
Sure they leveraged you with debt but that didn't stop Utd being the Forbes richest club in the world for nearly a decade under them and all the support Alex wanted to knock us off our perch.And taking millions out in the process. We were successful in spite of glazers not because of them. In fact thanks to their greediness we never built on sir alex's success.
Nail on head. Why haven't United thought of that?With 60 games per season and 3-5 subs per game of course all those players will get enough games and this way you keep everyone fresh with hardly any drop in quality with your expensive bench.
Not really. „Alex“ couldn‘t even spend the Ronaldo money. Couldn’t even replace RvN. Couldn’t even pay the agent fee for Hazard and so on.Sure they leveraged you with debt but that didn't stop Utd being the Forbes richest club in the world for nearly a decade under them and all the support Alex wanted to knock us off our perch.
Listen to what Alex has / had to say about them during and after his term in office. The silence is deafening.
Well we would if our owners just let us spend more of our own money. This would at least partly make up for their failures and incompetence.Nail on head. Why haven't United thought of that?
All other clubs barring Chelsea can't afford to pay those bench players 300k each through various offshore accounts (and get away with it even after being caught). I thought that much was obvious?Nail on head. Why haven't United thought of that?
Oh so we're doing made up reasons. In that case why don't United just use the magic fountain to make Scholes ten years younger and ride a pegasus to 1966 to bring Bobby Moore to the present day?All other clubs barring Chelsea can't afford to pay those bench players 300k each through various offshore accounts (and get away with it even after being caught). I thought that much was obvious?
Again you are making it sound like we knocked you lot off the perch because of them. We did it because we had the greatest manager sir alex. Let us not forget sold ronaldo and let tevez go in the same summer only to replace them with owen and oberton. It is like you guys after winning the cl letting salah and mane go and buying some duds. But even then we continued to dominate but because we had sir alex.Sure they leveraged you with debt but that didn't stop Utd being the Forbes richest club in the world for nearly a decade under them and all the support Alex wanted to knock us off our perch.
Listen to what Alex has / had to say about them during and after his term in office. The silence is deafening.
All other clubs barring Chelsea can't afford to pay those bench players 300k each through various offshore accounts (and get away with it even after being caught). I thought that much was obvious?
Odd for Liverpool fan to waste magic fountain on Scholes.Oh so we're doing made up reasons. In that case why don't United just use the magic fountain to make Scholes ten years younger and ride a pegasus to 1966 to bring Bobby Moore to the present day?
Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so.
Who acts like that? I haven't seen the resident City fans here act like that.I find it funny how some city fans act as if everyone is operating in an even field. No harm in admitting that you have got rich owners who can spend millions after millions on improving the squad. Not every club has that privilege.
I’d be interested to see the same for Utd. Might put to bed the myth be have spent comparably.Ederson - £35m
Zack Steffen - £5m
Ben Mendy - £52m
Oleksandr Zinchenko - £2m
Aymeric Laporte - £57m
Ruben Dias - £64m
John Stones - £50m
Nathan Ake - £41m
Kyle Walker - £50m
Joao Cancelo - £60m
Rodri - £62.6m
Fernandinho - £34m*
Riyad Mahrez - £60m
Ferran Torres - £21m
Ilkay Gundogan - £21m
Kevin de Bruyne - £55m
Raheem Sterling - £49m*
Bernardo Silva - £45m
Phil Foden - Free
Sergio Aguero - £35m*
Gabriel Jesus - £30m
Players with * not signed by Pep.
Their first team squad costs £828.6m (and this doesn't include the add ons either).
We will still have a relatively high figure due to some fringe players who are always injured or hardly playing (Jones, Mata and to a lesser extent Matic, Bailly), but the total amount will probably still be lower.I’d be interested to see the same for Utd. Might put to bed the myth be have spent comparably.
I reckon it will be considerably lower.We will still have a relatively high figure due to some fringe players who are always injured or hardly playing (Jones, Mata and to a lesser extent Matic, Bailly), but the total amount will probably still be lower.
Again, it's not just initial fees as they can be offset with sales. Does anyone know how much that second XI defence actually earns? That's where the real money is spent, fairly and/or unfairly.City played Mendy, Laporte, Cancelo and Ake last weekend. 220 million
So they could rest their first choice of Dias, Walker, Zinchenko and Stones. 160 million.
How do they do it? Amazing stuff Pep
What a "coach"
Hasn't the math already be done plenty of times? City have spent more but Utd are 2nd behind them having spent more than Chelsea and Liverpool.I’d be interested to see the same for Utd. Might put to bed the myth be have spent comparably.
Plus the whole we are making our money off the back of historic success inspired by great footballing men and City, well City aren't.Hasn't the math already be done plenty of times? City have spent more but Utd are 2nd behind them having spent more than Chelsea and Liverpool.
I don't think anyone is claiming that Utd have spent as much as City. In fact, the argument was mainly that for all the money they've spent the club has underperformed relative to for example Chelsea who have won 2 PL titles in 2015 and 2017. And in the last couple of years also relative to Liverpool.
Yes and I'm sure that United have players on loan that they pay more than City pay Steffen etc. Not sure arbitrarily choosing the criteria strengthtens any point you are trying to make. And the wage bills are pretty much public, so there you go.I'm sure Utd second XI defenders and specially Kabak/Neco/Matip/Nat are together probably earning the same as one Laporte.
That’s the biggest thing out of all of this. Abu Dhabi have literally appointed guys who worked with him at Barcelona in key senior positions. Soriano and Begiristain have been there laying the foundations to basically get Guardiola in place. They couldn’t get Guardiola the first time so got Pellegrini as a 4 year stop gap(!).Pep's not going anywhere anytime soon! He has the perfect set up at City, the board created it for him and its just the way he likes it. He has unlimited resources at his disposal and owners with ambition and a long term plan. He's in it for the long run, to create a legacy at City. sigh
Sure - here's our first team squad for this season.I’d be interested to see the same for Utd. Might put to bed the myth be have spent comparably.
Thanks that's interesting, it really is night and day compared to City. Just the £300 million extra. I can't understand this narrative that we have spent comparatively.Sure - here's our first team squad for this season.
David De Gea - £18.9m
Dean Henderson - Free
Alex Telles - £15.4m
Luke Shaw - £30m
Harry Maguire - £80m
Eric Bailly - £30m
Axel Tuanzebe - Free
Victor Lindelof - £30m
Aaron Wan-Bissaka - £45m
Brandon Williams - Free
Nemanja Matic - £40m
Scott McTominay - Free
Fred - £47m
Bruno Fernandes - £47m
Paul Pogba - £89m
Donny van de Beek - £35m
Dan James - £15m
Mason Greenwood - Free
Edinson Cavani - Free
Anthony Martial - £36m (£50m incl. add-ons).
Marcus Rashford - Free
I've left Jones (£16.5m), Romero (Free), Grant (£1m) out as they're yet to make a first team appearance (but if you want to include them add on another £17.5m).
So that's £558.3m. Martial is a funny one as he has these add-ons some of which are realised and some that aren't, so if I add on another £15m for him that takes us to £573.3m.
Thanks that's interesting, it really is night and day compared to City. Just the £300 million extra. I can't understand this narrative that we have spent comparatively.
But then you'd need to add the same for City...your Mangalas, Otamendis, Claudio Bravos etc. By all metrics, City's spending has blown everyone out of the water.I think it's when you add in your Lukaku's, Di Maria's etc etc, that the numbers are similar, the argument isn't on current squad value, it's what you've spent and wasted over the comparable years.