Manchester United based depression/ energy sapping

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Football is a massive part of my life. I'd say its probably the thing that gives me the most joy.

My wife is great, my family are great, my friends are great (albeit I could do with more local friends), work is mostly fine which is as good as work gets in the real world!

Most of the above are consistent, never too much drama. Friends can be more or less reliable in spades which does have an impact, but the biggest variable is football.

When Ole arrived I was buzzing, I lived and loved every game, then came the drive off the cliff.

It's a motivation killer, it ruins weekends. It's something we cant control, just hope for something better.

I don't know if I can call it true depression, but its certainly energy sapping. I find myself seeking out answers, looking for links to players being sold. This week is probably the worst. The hope of top 4 is gone and everything looks lost.

Reading articles on the Glazers just suggests they are money grabbing bastards and looking at the Bucs would highlight the same. They are specialists in failure.

I can't entirely blame them, as they have spent a lot of 'United' money, even if they have taken a lot. We have some of the highest wages in world football. The Glazers/ Woodward have tried to balance giving managers a chance with firing when needed.

We can all blame blame blame, but the truth is probably somewhere in the middle with inexperience of Woodward resulting in imperfect decisions, sprinkled with bad luck with signings (consistently getting it wrong). We all want answers because we are used to success, but SAF was an anomaly and even he got luck with the class of 92, a golden generation. Things could have been so different, but as it is many of us have had a lifetime of luck in football, so maybe now is just the ying to the yang.

How do you balance passion and joy with obsession and depression? I've heard many fans say they feel like they want to switch off, to not be so involved. But many fans switch on every week to watch their teams be shite. Maybe it's a mindset and maybe I don't want to accept mediocrity.

The alignment of Uniteds focus on success feels aligned to my own drives to succeed in my career. Settling, giving up the fight, not seeking more is not something I'm used to.

So what does one do when they can't control this tide of turd. Patience has never been a skill of mine!

Roll on the summer...roll on the next year....or maybe the year after...or will it be 30 years....damn I really hate/ love football.

Share your story/ share your wisdom. Maybe it's better to talk about what we can control in our own emotions than in the endless hope for something to happen something more than the equivalent of a stripper dangling her arse in your face and leaning back smiling, but only wanting your wallet.
 

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I wasn't depressed 'til I read that.
 

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“I love Man Utd so much it’s going to kill me.”

Weird flex but okay.
 

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I have no suggestions on what to do but as soon as you start basing that much happiness in something that’s totally out of your control then you’re in trouble.
 

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Don’t use a football club as a substitute for your validation.

It’s something completely out of your control. Enjoy the good times, support your team through the bad times and try to have a black humoured outlook on the REALLY bad times.
 

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It’s going to be a long summer on the caf.
 

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Find another distraction, another hobby etc. I mentioned in another thread I'm grateful I've got a baby coming this summer so I simply won't have the time to have my mind focused on how shit we are otherwise I'd be struggling too. You need to find something else to occupy your mind.
 

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No disrespect to the OP, who I wish well, but this should be in General, not out here where dippers can screenshot it and laugh etc.
Don't worry, mate, they don't have the technology yet - they're still trying to work out what that black monolith is.
 

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It's football mate. If it's affecting you that much maybe you need to sort a few other things out.

I'll be annoyed after we lose but within half an hour I'm over it. It's a game played by people I don't know, never will know, in which I have no control and no influence. I used to get more frustrated by things in my own team than i ever have about Manchester United.
 

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We all need to try and enjoy the journey!

SAF knocked Liverpool off their perch and it’s taken them 20 odd years to get close to being back on it!

City fans have had very little to every cheer about in the last 35 years!

We will follow United for our whole lives, the current situation will change for the better or worse.
 

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Play Lego, I have recently got back into this, and collecting again. Building stuff with my son takes my mind away from the shite football we have.
 

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Seriously, if men kicking football around a long square of grass is affecting your life so much, you seriously need to have a word with yourself.

Knock it on the head if you have to, and find a new hobby.

I have paid for season tickets for over 10+ years, and it was great at the start, we were winning everything in sight, and it became the norm. The last 7 years have been dire, but no way on this green earth am I going to let it affect any other area of my life.

These players wouldn't give you a second's thought - win or lose, as long as they are getting paid, so definitely step back from it, and focus on your life.

It's just football, and we now just see going to games as a day out. Although, it is an expensive hobby, for sure.
 

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For me the secret is loving football more than I love United. That way you can put things into perspective more and see through bullshit and enjoy other teams playing and doing well without getting too depressed about how United are doing. The highs aren’t the same as if United do well but it means I can enjoy the sport without getting too sucked into the shitfest which is United at the moment.
 

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Doesn't help that both our biggest rivals are the two best clubs in the world right now, playing the best football the league has ever seen. We're in a trap we can't get out of, we're well and truly a Liverpool of 10 years ago now, what makes that worse is we had the funds to help us ease into life after Fergie, but Woodward fecked us.

When things are this bad, I tend to ignore football for a while and put my efforts into other things - seasons almost over anyway!
 
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Meh, I suffered from depression throughout Fergie’s reign. Suicidal in 99. True story.
 

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Play Lego, I have recently got back into this, and collecting again. Building stuff with my son takes my mind away from the shite football we have.
Love lego. Trouble is I stayed up until stupid o'clock one night trying to finish something. I was knackered.
 

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It’s football at the end of the day, and it’s not like we haven’t had stupid amounts of success that our rivals had to put up with year on year. We’re bound to have a year where they are bossing it and we are utter shite. The only depressing thought is that I reckon it will go on for a while, but still the club will sort itself out eventually. Worst case imaginable is we have 30 year period like Liverpool have had and even then they are now having great seasons again.
 

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I share much of the OPs sentiments to be fair, it's hard to detach when it's a regular part of your daily/weekly routine for years.

Under Fergie a loss was just a loss it didn't really matter bar the big games. Now it encompasses blame and direction, a reminder of where we're at.

I think the only real solution is to convince yourself towards lowering expectations beyond what's logical. I see quite a few do that.
 

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I'm more depressed by the thread titles recently. They're like suicide notes from The Smiths.
 

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I have taken the decision to care less about the club and thus, football. I don't know if it's possible or makes sense but I feel it's better for me. I've always been United above football. When we lose, I don't bother watching other teams. It's too painful. Watching these players makes me angry. And I don't need that anger bleeding into other shit.
 

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I find honestly the best way is as soon as the game is done to switch off the pundits and don’t read the shit posted on here. It’s way easier to just get on with your day then.
 

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Look for other hobbies. When i was younger, a loss could affect me for hours or days even depending on which occasion and how. But nowadays i feel almost numb when we lose. I maybe expect it? Dont know. Football and United just dont have that much impact on me, other things are taking control over. A great win like the PSG win is always great, but the day after life kicked in and i have to worry about other, more important, stuff.
 

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Zen philosophy is to avoid consuming things that put you in the state instead of going to great lengths to just deal with them. Its not fair to say don't watch United but it is to avoid reading up on the state of affairs at the club, to get drawn into debate here and continue to bombard yourself with negative energy. If you refrain from the latter, you might just be able to get on with watching matches and find it easier to get past defeats and poor performances.
 

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All I can say that if some of the people in here had to put up with the dross I did as a Spurs fan for 95% of my life I honestly don't think you would have been able to cope with it. You have to take the bad times with the good - you lot got used to winning and have taken it for granted - now you are out of it you need to realise this is how it goes with most clubs - you can't be successful all the time - decades of success can be followed by decades of nothing. This has been true of Utd when you look at the past, true with Liverpool, true with all the 'big' clubs in the league.

Just remember that the bad times make the good times all the sweeter.
 

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Football is a massive part of my life. I'd say its probably the thing that gives me the most joy.

My wife is great, my family are great, my friends are great (albeit I could do with more local friends), work is mostly fine which is as good as work gets in the real world!

Most of the above are consistent, never too much drama. Friends can be more or less reliable in spades which does have an impact, but the biggest variable is football.

When Ole arrived I was buzzing, I lived and loved every game, then came the drive off the cliff.

It's a motivation killer, it ruins weekends. It's something we cant control, just hope for something better.

I don't know if I can call it true depression, but its certainly energy sapping. I find myself seeking out answers, looking for links to players being sold. This week is probably the worst. The hope of top 4 is gone and everything looks lost.

Reading articles on the Glazers just suggests they are money grabbing bastards and looking at the Bucs would highlight the same. They are specialists in failure.

I can't entirely blame them, as they have spent a lot of 'United' money, even if they have taken a lot. We have some of the highest wages in world football. The Glazers/ Woodward have tried to balance giving managers a chance with firing when needed.

We can all blame blame blame, but the truth is probably somewhere in the middle with inexperience of Woodward resulting in imperfect decisions, sprinkled with bad luck with signings (consistently getting it wrong). We all want answers because we are used to success, but SAF was an anomaly and even he got luck with the class of 92, a golden generation. Things could have been so different, but as it is many of us have had a lifetime of luck in football, so maybe now is just the ying to the yang.

How do you balance passion and joy with obsession and depression? I've heard many fans say they feel like they want to switch off, to not be so involved. But many fans switch on every week to watch their teams be shite. Maybe it's a mindset and maybe I don't want to accept mediocrity.

The alignment of Uniteds focus on success feels aligned to my own drives to succeed in my career. Settling, giving up the fight, not seeking more is not something I'm used to.

So what does one do when they can't control this tide of turd. Patience has never been a skill of mine!

Roll on the summer...roll on the next year....or maybe the year after...or will it be 30 years....damn I really hate/ love football.

Share your story/ share your wisdom. Maybe it's better to talk about what we can control in our own emotions than in the endless hope for something to happen something more than the equivalent of a stripper dangling her arse in your face and leaning back smiling, but only wanting your wallet.
I grew up supporting United before Ferguson came to United. Why did I start to support United? 3 things perhaps in the history of the club and 2 players I was a big fan off Bryan Robson and Norman Whiteside. Belive me supporting them as a very young kid was not always easy but they have been and will be my only club. Then Ferguson came along and slowly started to stamp his authority on the club and all of a sudden I was in Dreamland where every year was exciting even if there were also plenty of dissapointments along the way. Back in the day I got very angry when we lost and briefley let that affect me but today I have a very simple method when result´s or performances drive me mad. Take it out on a boxing bag I have for a while and listening to Killing in the name of while doing that, strange perhaps but it sure got rid of the anger quickly and then leave the game behind you. For a certain period there was a picture of a certain manager on that boxing bag but I was able to take that picture down in December.
The reason for most of the people writing on this forum is the support we share for this club we love. I will continue to do so and suspect you will also and hopefully things will start to turn around. The reason for the anger we are showing on this forum is because we do care and perhaps we should combine to speak out more openly as fans.
 

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It’s definitely harder when Liverpool and City are as good as they are right now. Don’t remember feeling half as pissed off as I do now when Mourinho’s Chelsea gave us a bloody nose.

But yeah, it’s just a game. It is possible to disengage if it’s affecting your mood significantly. Don’t read sports pages, listen to sports podcasts, stop watching games etc etc.
 

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Somebody once told me you need to put everything about your life in imaginary boxes. So family in one box. Work in another. Gym in another. Friends in another. Football in another. Etc etc. The more boxes you have, the better. So when one thing in a box is not going well. You shut it out and concentrate on your other boxes.
If you only have 3 boxes. Work. Family and football, and all 3 are stressing you out, all your life will be depressing. If you have 6 boxes. Then only half your life will be depressing.
It does work. Try it
Oh and close the football box and throw it in the fecking river.
 

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Try finding some humour in it. If I didn’t find it hilarious, in some way, quite how shit we’ve become, I might feel the same
 

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Think you may need to take a step back mate. At the end of the day it’s just football. It’s 22 men making more money than we ever will kicking a ball around a field. It’s the same thing I do with my friends every Wednesday, just televised and paid for.

If football seriously affects your mood and motivation this much, then you need to consider not investing so much of yourself in it, because at the end of the day, Manchester United and it’s players don’t care about you. They don’t care that your weekend is ruined and you’re left to fight that battle on your own. Maybe try channeling some of the passion for united into something else? Easier said than done of course, but this doesn’t sound healthy at all.
 

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Hey OP, at least you've got the rest of your life figured out. Imagine if you had problems with your family almost every day, a temporary job that you didn't like while at the same time trying to write your final thesis to hopefully graduate. Plus all other unexpected crap that happens every day that you can't control. And imagine United usually being the major thing that gives you the most joy in life. And then this season.

Welcome to my life!
 

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It's Lisa Appleton I'm worried about.
 

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The Moyes season had me really upset but since then I have gotten used to it. Now I'm already expecting the team to disappoint me, so when they do it doesn't surprise me. It's all about tempering your expectations and keeping yourself occupied with other stuff.