Manchester United have now lost more home games since SAF left than they did under his ENTIRE reign.

[RedPed]

Obviously not all down to ten Hag but pretty clear now that Old Trafford is no longer a fortress. That is a shocking stat. So many players previously looking like world beaters have rocked up at United and in some cases, practically overnight have become distinctly average. Top class and promising managers have come and gone with a black stain on their CVs. So many lesser clubs have had a field day and bigger clubs have slapped us silly over the recent years. Yet the expenditure has been exorbitant!

Just what the hell is going on??

 

[adexkola]

It's the coaches' fault. We're 1 sack away from getting back to the glory days.

 

[Trequarista10]

Cursed innit

 

[horsechoker]

It's the coaches' fault. We're 1 sack away from getting back to the glory days.

When it finally happens I think I'll ejaculate

 

[Snow]

Why are you posting this shit and why are posters taking this at face value? We've lost 48 games across all competitions at home in the 11 seasons since SAF left. Of those 35 were in the league. Are you talking about Premier League only?

edit: To add it's not a shocking or even bad stat at all. The season Ole got appointed late we finished with 6 losses. Moyes lost 7. This season we've already lost 4 which is on par with those two poor seasons but the other 8 we had a total of 18 losses and weren't very good in any of them except two. These stats don't really matter. 1 win and 2 losses is the same as 3 draws. Only thing that matters is point accumulation, not how many games you lost because that stat doesn't tell you how many you drew.

 

[2 man midfield]

It’s not that surprising really. He’s been gone 10 years, and managed us for 21 in the PL.

 

[Judas]

Of all the negative stats I keep seeing, this one doesn’t really hit me as shocking. We were great under him and shite since, so yeah turns out we’ve lost a lot more now. It’s also been ten years which isn’t exactly a short amount of time.

 

[Mibabalou]

Absolute shambles of a club for over a decade, Madrid, Barca, Bayern, light years ahead of us.

 

[Ahmer Baig]

It's the coaches' fault. We're 1 sack away from getting back to the glory days.

How will we get back to glory days?

 

[OrcaFat]

How will we get back to glory days?

By sacking all the coaches!

 

[Nero]

Goes without saying really. We dominated for the best part of 20 years. We've been shit for 10.

 

[horsechoker]

Absolute shambles of a club for over a decade, Madrid, Barca, Bayern, light years ahead of us.

We haven't resorted to crime at least

 

[Demon Barber]

We haven't resorted to crime at least

Yesterday's performance was pretty criminal, tbh

 

[always_hoping]

Obviously not all down to ten Hag but pretty clear now that Old Trafford is no longer a fortress. That is a shocking stat. So many players previously looking like world beaters have rocked up at United and in some cases, practically overnight have become distinctly average. Top class and promising managers have come and gone with a black stain on their CVs. So many lesser clubs have had a field day and bigger clubs have slapped us silly over the recent years. Yet the expenditure has been exorbitant!

Just what the hell is going on??

Under Ferguson United was best side in the Premier league more often than not. Ten Hag last season I might add did produce United's best home form and results in Old Trafford since the days of Ferguson.

This season at home is back to the how it was under Moyes,Van Gaal,Jose etc not hard to score against or beat in Old Trafford.

 

[JB08]

Ok

 

[Garnacho's Shoelaces]

Why are you posting this shit and why are posters taking this at face value? We've lost 48 games across all competitions at home in the 11 seasons since SAF left. Of those 35 were in the league. Are you talking about Premier League only?

edit: To add it's not a shocking or even bad stat at all. The season Ole got appointed late we finished with 6 losses. Moyes lost 7. This season we've already lost 4 which is on par with those two poor seasons but the other 8 we had a total of 18 losses and weren't very good in any of them except two. These stats don't really matter. 1 win and 2 losses is the same as 3 draws. Only thing that matters is point accumulation, not how many games you lost because that stat doesn't tell you how many you drew.

So a loss can be a win if a bad draw is a loss?

 

[RuudTom83]

Pointless stat/headline...if you look hard enough you could make any number of similar stats about Arsenal post Wenger and Chelsea post Mourinho.

Imagine getting paid to dream up negative stories about Manchester United. Strange job but if it pays the bills then so be it.

 

[ti vu]

Under Ferguson United was best side in the Premier league more often than not. Ten Hag last season I might add did produce United's best home form and results in Old Trafford since the days of Ferguson.

This season at home is back to the how it was under Moyes,Van Gaal,Jose etc not hard to score against or beat in Old Trafford.

Not sure why LVG and Mourinho got dragged through the mud by you regarding this stats.

In his two seasons, LVG only lost 5 home games in the league (ironically all to lesser teams like 2 to Southampton, West Brom, Norwich, Swansea). 6 in total (Arsenal in FA Cup).

Mourinho got total of 7(*) home defeat in his 2 and half season tenure: 4 home defeats in the league (2 to Man City, 1 to Tottenham and 1 to West Brom). 2 in CL: Sevilla and Juventus. The asterisk defeat came from League Cup elimination by Derby County at home on penalty (often counted as draw on stats sites). In his first season, he only received 1 home defeat all season (Man City).

The alarming defeat rate belongs to Moyes with 7 home defeat in the league and another in League Cup (8 in total) ; ETH this season with already 4 league defeat, 1 in League cup and another in CL (total of 6 this season, 8 in the whole of his tenure so far) ; and Ole in general: damage mostly done 2020-2021 with 6 home defeat in the league, 1 in CL and 1 in League Cup; and his short time before the sacking in 21-22 with 4 defeat in the league and another in League Cup. 3 home defeat all season in 19-20 is alright record (2 in the league and another in League Cup). 4 home defeats when taking mid season from Mourinho 18-19 (2 in the league and 2 in CL). Ole in about 3 season worth record reads: 14 home defeats in the league, 3 in League Cup and 3 in CL.

Rangnick got 2 home defeats in his interim period (1 in the league, 1 in CL). Giggs one home defeat in the league.

This season home record is on the race to be individually one of the worst, if not to say already edging to be The worst itself.

 

[Alemar]

Jaw dropping stat, frankly speaking. In a bad way…

 

[always_hoping]

Not sure why LVG and Mourinho got dragged through the mud by you regarding this stats.

In his two seasons, LVG only lost 5 home games in the league (ironically all to lesser teams like Southampton, West Brom, Swansea). 6 in total (Arsenal in FA Cup).

Mourinho got total of 7(*) home defeat in his 2 and half season tenure: 4 home defeats in the league (2 to Man City, 1 to Tottenham and 1 to West Brom). 2 in CL: Sevilla and Juventus. The asterisk defeat came from League Cup elimination at home on penalty (often counted as draw). His season he only got 1 home defeat in all season (Man City).

The alarming defeat rate belongs to Moyes with 7 home defeat in the league and another in League Cup (8 in total) ; ETH this season with already 4 league defeat, 1 in League cup and another in CL (total of 6 this season, 8 in total of his tenure so far) ; and Ole in general: damaged mostly done 2020-2021 with 6 home defeat in the league, 1 in CL and 1 in League Cup; and his short time before the sacking in 21-22 with 4 defeat in the league and another in League Cup. 3 home defeat all season in 19-20 is alright record (2 in the league and another in League Cup). 4 home defeats when taking mid season from Mourinho 18-19 (2 in the league and 2 in CL). Ole in general record reads (14 home defeats in the league, 3 in League Cup and 3 in CL).

Rangnick got 2 home defeats in his interim period (1 in the league, 1 in CL). Giggs one home defeat in the league.

When added in together they are all part of the home stat the OP has provided. Yes Ole had the worst record and Ten Hag no longer drawing matches is increasing the loss record.

Last season was the best home record since Ferguson retired and looking back now I'm not sure how that was done with such a flaky group of players. 7 defeats for Jose was a lot when you consider at his peak he rarely lost any games at home. LVG 6 losses is plenty also when every game was usually scoreless at half time and even the supporters in attendance was put to sleep.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Pointless stat/headline...if you look hard enough you could make any number of similar stats about Arsenal post Wenger and Chelsea post Mourinho.

Imagine getting paid to dream up negative stories about Manchester United. Strange job but if it pays the bills then so be it.

Arteta lost more games this week than Arsenal did in 2003 2004 season.

Useless manager

 

[Mike Smalling]

It’s been more than 10 years since SAF retired, and most of it has been bad, so it’s not really that surprising.

 

[ti vu]

When added in together they are all part of the home stat the OP has provided. Yes Ole had the worst record and Ten Hag no longer drawing matches is increasing the loss record.

Last season was the best home record since Ferguson retired and looking back now I'm not sure how that was done with such a flaky group of players. 7 defeats for Jose was a lot when you consider at his peak he rarely lost any games at home. LVG 6 losses is plenty also when every game was usually scoreless at half time and even the supporters in attendance was put to sleep.

Last season was not the best. That's why I spent time listed home defeats in all competitions even counting penalty shoot out loss which can be deceptively left out. Mourinho only lost 4 PL home game in total; and even on the way out, that 0-3 defeat Tottenham was the only one he got in the league that season and largest margin home defeat over his tenure.

Mourinho first season only received 1 home defeat in all competition. ETH matched Mourinho in the league, but received another home defeat in EL. (He's only manager post SAF lost at home in EL. I know harsh penalty call on Martinez. But for record purpose, it is what it is).

You're moving the goalpost with strawman argument. Your original post implied we were easy to score against at home under Mourinho and LVG which is not true. This topic is our post SAF home record (mostly counting PL to be precise) not about Mourinho career record (He's no poorer than his 15-16 record 4 home defeat in PL before getting the sacked at Chelsea if you like to dig into stats); nor LVG boring style; nor the point yield/home draw under these managers.

Edit: OP stats is this

https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/h...-bournemouth-inflict-latest-loss-1563145.html

"Manchester United’s comprehensive defeat by Bournemouth means they have lost more home league games in the 10 years since Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement than they did in his 21 Premier League seasons at Old Trafford."

"
While Ferguson took charge of United in 1986, United’s dominant era began after the top flight’s breakaway and rebranding in 1992.

From that point until his retirement in 2013, United lost only 34 home Premier League games at an average of 1.6 per season.

Bournemouth on Saturday inflicted the 35th in less than 10 and a half seasons since with a 3-0 rout of Erik ten Hag’s side that could have been even more emphatic."

It's selective stats counting only PL, where of course SAF record stomped our failed managers. However, Mourinho 4 PL home defeat in 2 and half season, and LVG 5 PL home defeat in two season were not that bad when projecting over 21 seasons.

 

[always_hoping]

Without the Ferguson like home form last season United wouldn't not have got close to 75 league points and reach two domestic cup finals winning one.

A reminder of that form and it ended on September 16th v Brighton this year.

Home games unbeaten: 32
Number of different competitions: 4
Wins: 28
Draws: 4
Goals scored: 71
Goals conceded: 17
Clean sheets: 18

And Ten Hag's best home record before that was 30 unbeaten with Ajax when on 13th February 2019 Real Madrid came away 2-1 win in the champions League.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Incompetent people at the helm that ruined the club.

 

[ti vu]

Without the Ferguson like home form last season United wouldn't not have got close to 75 league points and reach two domestic cup finals winning one.

A reminder of that form and it ended on September 16th v Brighton this year.

Home games unbeaten: 32
Number of different competitions: 4
Wins: 28
Draws: 4
Goals scored: 71
Goals conceded: 17
Clean sheets: 18

And Ten Hag's best home record before that was 30 unbeaten with Ajax when on 13th February 2019 Real Madrid came away 2-1 win in the champions League.

Between 2 defeats at home to City (first 2 home defeats in 16-17 and 17-18), Mourinho home record read:

Number of different competitions: 5 (PL, LC, FA, EL, CL)

Home game unbeaten: 40

Win: 29
Draw: 11

Goal scored: 85
Goal against: 17
Clean sheet: 23

Before complaining about the draw, remember this metric is about unbeaten home run. No but and if. It is what it is. You matched it or you didn't. Ole had his unbeaten away record which gave him two high finish in the league. Kudos to him. Arsenal had an Invincible season but with 90 points that got trumped a few time even by teams not winning PL, losing a or two or three league game. Their invincible season was a different record to the point tally. So save the apple vs orange comparison for different topic.

Selective record has its place in analysis, but not stats for washing away current bad form and performance. Home defeat rate and away form to top 8 has been bad. And both are combining in this season after the nice home record ended. Guess what? The product is almost the level (as bad and even worse in some aspect) that got Mourinho sacked.

 

[RedPed]

I don't get why some people are so quick to scoff at the stat. We're all yearning to replicate the success of the Fergie years. Well, if you're not achieving similar numbers, how do you ever expect to get there? And who wants to be losing games at Old Trafford anyway?

 

[tenpoless]

It was Sir Alex United

 

[Berbaclass]

I'm getting sick of these statistics.

Who cares, we need to move on from the United of Sir Alex and stop comparing ourselves to that. It's a vastly different club now.

 

[always_hoping]

My last post as this has been on going with you (ti vu) for nearly 5 hours and this thread has been given more time/posts than it deserves.


Not washing away current bad form and performance it is what it is but regardless of what's happening this season it doesn't change the factual information of the good home from last season that allowed United get the amount of points they got in the league and progress to the final of both domestic cup competitions. 48 points last season was the highest points total Man United got in League season at home since Ferguson retired. In all competitions only two defeats and one the first game of the season and the other to a real debatable penalty. 27 wins in Old Trafford the highest amount of wins again in one season since the days of Ferguson.

A small edit as I said it would be my final post on this thread. Would be rude not to give thanks to ti vu for confirming the good home record below of wins overall and league points gained last season, even better than imagine!

" luck of draw. All early League Cup and FA Cup one game KO matches were played at home!!! Amounted to max possibility of 7 home game wins."

This season in the League cup drew Newcastle at home. The season before Ten Hag arrived at United drew Middlesbrough in the league cup and West ham at home in the FA Cup all defeats in those "luck of the draws" ties *

*only luck of the draw when home cup matches are won

 

[ti vu]

My last post as this has been on going with you (ti vu) for nearly 5 hours and this thread has been given more time/posts than it deserves.


Not washing away current bad form and performance it is what it is but regardless of what's happening this season it doesn't change the factual information of the good home from last season that allowed United get the amount of points they got in the league and progress to the final of both domestic cup competitions. 48 points last season was the highest points total Man United got in League season at home since Ferguson retired. In all competitions only two defeats and one the first game of the season and the other to a real debatable penalty. 27 wins in Old Trafford the highest amount of wins again in one season since the days of Ferguson.

Last season is joint most win in a season record holder. Without context, mind blowing stats right?

Below is our highest home win at home season

2002-03	27
2022-23	27
2010-11	26
2007-08	25
2006-07	24
2008-09	24
1964-65	22
1994-95	22
1998-99	22
2009-10	22
2012-13	22

Notice even 10-11 season when we were undefeated at home in all competitions, yet still got less win? Remember this season we made CL final, too!!! We had 3 draw (1 in the league) in all competitions all season. Won the rest 26, with 18 came from the league (joint PL all time record). Why only 26 and not reaching League Cup and DA Cup final? Eliminated when playing away from home in these two domestic cups!!!

02-03 also was an odd season in compared to modern season format, since we had to play CL qualifying round and acquire that extra home win! CL back then had two group stage phase! We had undefeated CL home record (6 win in the actual CL, 1 win in qualifying round, 2 draw) while only reached quarter final (eliminated by Real Madrid). 16 home win in PL (drew 2 and lost 1). Reached League Cup final (losing to Liverpool) with 2 home win and a home draw in semi final. Got 2 home win FA Cup and eliminated at home by Arsenal hand.

In comparison, last season 22-23 we drew 4 at home in all competitions (3 draw in PL, 1 in EL). Won 15 PL home games. Where all these extra home win came from when we lost 2 home games last season and eliminated in quarter final of EL? Answer: luck of draw. All early League Cup and FA Cup one game KO matches were played at home!!! Amounted to max possibility of 7 home game wins.

In 17-18, we got same amount of 15 win in the league, same amount of win as last season. 2 defeat (West Brom and Man City) and 2 draw. That is 47 point vs last season 48 point from 19 PL home game (Ended up with 82 points vs 75 point from last season). Won all League Cup and FA Cup home game but only amounted to 3 home win!!! Reached FA Cup final, eliminated in League Cup after second away trip. Won all 3 CL group game, and eliminated in round of 16 by Sevilla with another home defeat. Without context, see how funny that 3 home defeat and 2 draw with 21 home win looks unimpressive, yet 2 home defeat and 4 draw would accompany 27 home win? 17-18 home record with an Okayish away form at least yield a normal title challenge level point tally (80+).

Anyone objectively still think stats can be looked at without some asterisks? Even Treble season, CL-PL double like 07-08, and other strong seasons (PL winner-CL final, PL winner) would look pale to last season without context.

No one said ETH didn't have a good first season. However, using out of context stats can only go as far to add positive, when it's easy to spot the abnormally ordinary PL point tally with such supposed very good home form.

And the past belongs to record books. Back to the present, nowhere close to sustaining that home record in current season. Current home form is not just ordinary, it's outright alarmingly bad; and when combining with a questionable away record to top 8 from last season, it's no surprising it looks as bad as the worst period of any one of our failed managers post SAF. The previous managers who fell down to this level got sacked. How would last season achievements, good league finish and this 27 home win record* give any kind of defense for this season failure (mostly terrible performance in majority of game played, abundance with bad result away and at home in all competitions, on the verge of getting eliminated from CL)?