My last post as this has been on going with you (ti vu) for nearly 5 hours and this thread has been given more time/posts than it deserves.
Not washing away current bad form and performance it is what it is but regardless of what's happening this season it doesn't change the factual information of the good home from last season that allowed United get the amount of points they got in the league and progress to the final of both domestic cup competitions. 48 points last season was the highest points total Man United got in League season at home since Ferguson retired. In all competitions only two defeats and one the first game of the season and the other to a real debatable penalty. 27 wins in Old Trafford the highest amount of wins again in one season since the days of Ferguson.
Last season is joint most win in a season record holder. Without context, mind blowing stats right?
Below is our highest home win at home season
2002-03 | 27 |
2022-23 | 27 |
2010-11 | 26 |
2007-08 | 25 |
2006-07 | 24 |
2008-09 | 24 |
1964-65 | 22 |
1994-95 | 22 |
1998-99 | 22 |
2009-10 | 22 |
2012-13 | 22 |
Notice even 10-11 season when we were undefeated at home in all competitions, yet still got less win? Remember this season we made CL final, too!!! We had 3 draw (1 in the league) in all competitions all season. Won the rest 26, with 18 came from the league (joint PL all time record). Why only 26 and not reaching League Cup and DA Cup final? Eliminated when playing away from home in these two domestic cups!!!
02-03 also was an odd season in compared to modern season format, since we had to play CL qualifying round and acquire that extra home win! CL back then had two group stage phase! We had undefeated CL home record (6 win in the actual CL, 1 win in qualifying round, 2 draw) while only reached quarter final (eliminated by Real Madrid). 16 home win in PL (drew 2 and lost 1). Reached League Cup final (losing to Liverpool) with 2 home win and a home draw in semi final. Got 2 home win FA Cup and eliminated at home by Arsenal hand.
In comparison, last season 22-23 we drew 4 at home in all competitions (3 draw in PL, 1 in EL). Won 15 PL home games. Where all these extra home win came from when we lost 2 home games last season and eliminated in quarter final of EL? Answer: luck of draw. All early League Cup and FA Cup one game KO matches were played at home!!! Amounted to max possibility of 7 home game wins.
In 17-18, we got same amount of 15 win in the league, same amount of win as last season. 2 defeat (West Brom and Man City) and 2 draw. That is 47 point vs last season 48 point from 19 PL home game (Ended up with 82 points vs 75 point from last season). Won all League Cup and FA Cup home game but only amounted to 3 home win!!! Reached FA Cup final, eliminated in League Cup after second away trip. Won all 3 CL group game, and eliminated in round of 16 by Sevilla with another home defeat. Without context, see how funny that 3 home defeat and 2 draw with 21 home win looks unimpressive, yet 2 home defeat and 4 draw would accompany 27 home win? 17-18 home record with an Okayish away form at least yield a normal title challenge level point tally (80+).
Anyone objectively still think stats can be looked at without some asterisks? Even Treble season, CL-PL double like 07-08, and other strong seasons (PL winner-CL final, PL winner) would look pale to last season without context.
No one said ETH didn't have a good first season. However, using out of context stats can only go as far to add positive, when it's easy to spot the abnormally ordinary PL point tally with such supposed very good home form.
And the past belongs to record books. Back to the present, nowhere close to sustaining that home record in current season. Current home form is not just ordinary, it's outright alarmingly bad; and when combining with a questionable away record to top 8 from last season, it's no surprising it looks as bad as the worst period of any one of our failed managers post SAF. The previous managers who fell down to this level got sacked. How would last season achievements, good league finish and this 27 home win record* give any kind of defense for this season failure (mostly terrible performance in majority of game played, abundance with bad result away and at home in all competitions, on the verge of getting eliminated from CL)?