Decision? Wouldn’t it have been a case of “these are the shirt numbers available, which one would you prefer?”
Mason Mount's Misfortune
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Couldn't be more wrong, on both counts.
It’s a decision.
Selling Ronaldo and signing Owen as his replacement was 100% down to having the Glazers as owners.
Surprised he got the number 7. I was expecting Mount to receive number 67 or 98.
He's getting the #7 jersey as well? Fecking hell, he'd want to be a lot better than I've ever seen from him.
Depay, Di Maria, Owen, Valencia, Cavani and Sanchez all wore number 7 so why is this such an awful shock? The days of that shirt being sacred are long gone and so what, it really means nothing.
Re the "one major player" point: surely a GK would have been more major than Mount...
Buzzing with the transfer although the number 7 seems wrong
Why?
The last few number 7s have been diabolical when wearing it anyway. It's only a number and if you let that matter or dictate how you play your game then you are fcuked.
I was sure Garnacho would have worn 7, Mount is an odd choice but only a number I suppose
GK is incoming in the next 2 weeks imo
I would assume that most aren't shocked but there is a minority of fans who every year are invested in shirt numbers, for some strange reason.
Don’t be sarcastic to him. He has only seen Di Maria, Sanchez and the likes in no. 7 shirt.
fecking hell.
Guy still thinks he’s at Ajax if true.
Which makes that statement utterly mute!
But totally agree with your point nonetheless
Pfft closer to 750k with bonuses.
So we should give Garnacho who is still basically a child the number 7 so he can grow his brand. Great idea that, do you have anymore?
Crazy innit why do these people even support this club City is down the road if you just want good football.
The amount of people losing their shit about a shirt number which has been irrelevant for the last 15 years anyway. Bloody hell.
Bloody hell.Kante wore #7 being a DM
Signing has warmed on me. Seems to have the right attitude, personality as well as the physical attributes to it too. Having an extra offensive energy beside Bruno, who can make darting runs into the box will be big for us.
Love the boiling piss of some seeing him get the number 7.
An easy comeback to “should have given it to Garnacho” is just putting on unnecessary pressure on an 18 year old who has hardly solidified a starting berth just yet.
Mount alone will not make this summer a successful one, but I can definitely see why he’s the mould of player Ten Hagg wants.
All aboard the Mount train. Looking forward to seeing him work with Bruno, Rashford, Casemiro and hopefully a decent striker who’ll be able to finish off his set pieces.
Hopefully we’ll see a lot of people on here with egg on their faces later in to the season.
MOUNT, MOUNT, MAAASON MOUNT, HE COST US 60MILLION POUNDS, COME OOON..
(To the tune of that god awful chant someone shared yesterday).
Love the boiling piss of some seeing him get the number 7.
An easy comeback to “should have given it to Garnacho” is just putting on unnecessary pressure on an 18 year old who has hardly solidified a starting berth just yet.
Mount alone will not make this summer a successful one, but I can definitely see why he’s the mould of player Ten Hagg wants.
All aboard the Mount train. Looking forward to seeing him work with Bruno, Rashford, Casemiro and hopefully a decent striker who’ll be able to finish off his set pieces.
Hopefully we’ll see a lot of people on here with egg on their faces later in to the season.
MOUNT, MOUNT, MAAASON MOUNT, HE COST US 60MILLION POUNDS, COME OOON..
(To the tune of that god awful chant someone shared yesterday).
Oh no, what have we done.
Has anyone panicked yet? I really think this is the time to panic.
Some balls on him to come in and take the #7. Love it!
And who’s to say Mount won’t have a brilliant career at United and do the shirt proud?
Because it’s iconic and these things matter. For legacy and marketing.
This. Our number 7 means as much to us as the number 10 means to Brazil.
I feel its unnecessary pressure to put on a player we've arguably overpaid for. Especially given the history of the shirt since Ronaldos first stint.
I don't think this is true.
- Bruno is very rarely alongside Eriksen or Fred, he's sometimes further forward than our CF(!) and the vast bulk of his activity is in the opposition half. He is why we have to have a CM pair in my mind because he's so rogue positionally.
- Eriksen plays the Kroos RM role (which obviously is what Case is used to), where he drops off left in the CM pair and you'll see their heat maps are very similar. Obviously he is not as good as Kroos but it suits him being a less athletic player who is a good passer and he does not get as far forward.
- Mount is very rarely central at all, he does some defensive work but the bulk of where he's active is LW, he is a much more offensive player than Eriksen. Included previous seasons as well, he is clearly a wide attacking midfielder.
- Fred for comparison is basically the opposite to Mount, his work is more done in defensive areas on the left, he obviously didn't start that many games but you can see he is a very different player to Eriksen and not alongside Bruno.
- I'm putting Case in there so you can see the obscene amount of ground he already covers, in my mind replacing Eriksen with Mount just further stretches him. The OG, the Don, the Case in point.
Heat map Bruno in the PL: Bruno Fernandes stats and ratings | Sofascore
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Look I get ETH can put him in the team as an 8, I get he might surprise me and be good and you'll be right, but he's not played the role before and I think it's pretty conclusive.
Michael Owen, Depay and Antonio Valencia have been no.7, let alone much better players who haven’t exactly been stellar wearing it - Ronaldo (2nd time), Cavani and Di Maria.
NOBODY should be up in arms about it going to Mount when the history of it in the last 10+ years has been the above.
We need to demystify the number and take the pressure off - it was never the shirt number that made the (few!) iconic players who wore it special.
Welcome Mason Mount! Hope he takes his talents and maximises them at our club. Very happy with this signing.
NOBODY should be up in arms about it going to Mount when the history of it in the last 10+ years has been the above.
We need to demystify the number and take the pressure off - it was never the shirt number that made the (few!) iconic players who wore it special.
Welcome Mason Mount! Hope he takes his talents and maximises them at our club. Very happy with this signing.
Good start but you need to throw in a few more words like "discrace" and talk about Robson, Best and Cantona a bit more.
I think that move to two #8s ahead of one #6 is exactly what Ten Hag is doing. It's how he has generally preferred to play, how he started to play with us in the second half of the season, and it's the way many top teams currently line up.
Yes, it's always going to be a risk to make that transition, because you need the possession and the quick press to work immediately otherwise there's too much pressure on the #6. That's probably why ETH has pushed hard for Mount, because he's proven in that role, proven in the league, and because he's shown through his Chelsea career that his form isn't especially fragile; move him between positions, change his teammates, change tactics, he still basically produces the same thing reliably. Only last season's absolute shambles has finally thrown his attacking stats, but even then his defensive work from the front remains rock solid, in fact league-leading in a number of key metrics.
So if Ten Hag is taking the plunge to switch formations, Mount is a sensible acquisition to do it with. And Casemiro is as good a DM as you can hope to do it with.
My concern isn't the three first-choice players we'll be building this new look midfield around. It's the difficulty of replacing them. Eriksen can cover Bruno's role. Fred can sort of cover Mount's role, but badly - positional intelligence is so key. And no-one can even slightly cover Casemiro's role. The second he's injured or suspended, we'd have to go back to the double pivot, which hardly helps build familiarity with a new system.
I'd say hopefully we're looking at a back-up DM (Joao Neves at Benfica would be tidy), but given the priority need for a CF and a GK, I doubt it's realistic.
This will only add pressure for him. Lets see how he copes.
Not when you consider the average age of our starting midfield will be 30. We needed to get younger and better, and he is an upgrade over Eriksen who should be a rotational player.
The fact you seem to be comparing Rooney and Eto'o to Mount makes me think your username might be correct.
I can't see the source of the stats - it looks like Footystats but it's not because his numbers are much lower on there (68th percentile for blocked shot per 90) so unless we know that and can compare other players it's not particularly valuable.
My ’general supporter of football’ view is that Mount is a very good signing and that some folk would find life easier if they to kept their focus on things that are actually important rather than getting giddy about things of no consequence. Things like whatever number they put on his shirt.
Not worthy of the 7