I don't see how that can be unfortunate since McT is shocking in midfield.
Mason Mount's Misfortune
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Because it doesn't work as a three, not saying McT should start but would rather we go for mobility/pressing ability given we will be going long ball anyway - so Amrabat, Mainoo, Mount
Mourinho signed Bailly didnt he? He played a lot in his debut season and in general was pretty good. Then injuries and poor form finished him off after that.
I also never see the trio of Case/Mount/Bruno ever working. It was a bad idea in the summer and it's a bad idea now.
Agree with you. Put Mount on the wing and let him compete with Antony. I think he'd prove himself to be the better player.
And that one mistake he made sealed it for him and after that Mourhino didnt want to play him. It actually boggles the mind he didn't get enough minutes when he was available and the same thing is happening to Mount.
Personally I was never a fan of Mount but at least give the man a string of games before judging him.
I don't think he's ever dropping Rashford, Antony or Fernandes. Leaves ETH with the option of starting him in that terrible 3 man midfield with the two CMs pushed up way too high that he loves to play (and I think he will return to it at some point), or being a rotation player/fill in for injuries.
I think his treatment has been dreadful, and all this has done, and will continue to do, is highlight ETH's poor performance in the transfer market. I look at the signings made by Brighton, Newcastle, Spurs, Villa... even West Ham to an extent. All these clubs seem to be able to identify players and get them playing within their existing style of play.
I just think ETH has been found out.
I just think ETH has been found out.
There's always going to be times when there's no clear route through but I think his point was it's easier to get the ball out of the back when you have Martinez and Shaw that have the ability to actually pass forward passes through the lines.
Trying to find a forward pass as a defender in general is a tough ask, you need very good accuracy and probably have a one second pass window to find the man before he's marked again. Unfortunately with the way Maguire/Varane take time on the ball they'll never be good forward passers of the ball.
More than anything Mount achieved in the games he played.
Not undroppable but definitely not for Mason fecking Mount. Bruno is twice the player he's even while being off form.
Mount has no place in the team's starting lineup and it was a wrong signing to start with regardless of his qualities. He can't play ahead of Bruno, can't play on the wing and can't mesh with Casemiro and Bruno in the same midfield.
We've gone from having very little quality in central midfield to having lots of quality that we don't know what to do with.
We play 2 CM's and an AM. We have quite a deep pool of players in this area now:
Casemiro
Hannibal
Amrabat
Eriksen
Mount
Fernandes
McTominey
With Mainoo and Donny on the fringes.
So your looking at 7 players to compete for 3 places, while finding the correct balance that works for the team.
We've signed Mount at a high price and give him the 7 shirt and caused an almighty fuss on social media about it - so you'd figure he is in the plans.
Current form you'd be hard picked to fight anyone's corner as CM has been letting us down (again).
I'd personally play Fernandes wide right, partly because that allows Mount to come in as AM and partly because Rashford is atrocious there and Anthony is really struggling for form. I don't particularly like Fernandes there, but he is a playmaker who will involve himself in the game more than our other options do. That also stops Fernandes roaming around too deep looking for the ball.
Amrabat and Casemiro can play deep, as Eriksen or McTominey cannot for various reasons.
If we had capable, fit CB's who could play out with the ball I'd opt for 1 CM pivot and 2 roamers, but we barely play the same back 4 and Varane, Maguire and Lindelof are so slow with the ball. A capable ball playing defence would make our CM options a lot easier, but because we are limited there we play 2 deep holders and the whole team is too deep which has knock on effects as we cannot control the tempo or flow of the game or get our forwards involved.
I've gone waaaaay off tanget here.
Mount has to play at some point, upto him to stake a place. Our whole midfield is up for grabs to whoever performs, so its in his hands.
We play 2 CM's and an AM. We have quite a deep pool of players in this area now:
Casemiro
Hannibal
Amrabat
Eriksen
Mount
Fernandes
McTominey
With Mainoo and Donny on the fringes.
So your looking at 7 players to compete for 3 places, while finding the correct balance that works for the team.
We've signed Mount at a high price and give him the 7 shirt and caused an almighty fuss on social media about it - so you'd figure he is in the plans.
Current form you'd be hard picked to fight anyone's corner as CM has been letting us down (again).
I'd personally play Fernandes wide right, partly because that allows Mount to come in as AM and partly because Rashford is atrocious there and Anthony is really struggling for form. I don't particularly like Fernandes there, but he is a playmaker who will involve himself in the game more than our other options do. That also stops Fernandes roaming around too deep looking for the ball.
Amrabat and Casemiro can play deep, as Eriksen or McTominey cannot for various reasons.
If we had capable, fit CB's who could play out with the ball I'd opt for 1 CM pivot and 2 roamers, but we barely play the same back 4 and Varane, Maguire and Lindelof are so slow with the ball. A capable ball playing defence would make our CM options a lot easier, but because we are limited there we play 2 deep holders and the whole team is too deep which has knock on effects as we cannot control the tempo or flow of the game or get our forwards involved.
I've gone waaaaay off tanget here.
Mount has to play at some point, upto him to stake a place. Our whole midfield is up for grabs to whoever performs, so its in his hands.
Got hammered on here for saying this was a poor signing and it’s proving such. Easily could of paid the extra money and gone for Rice. Bellingham was always going to Madrid but he would obviously be first choice. Murtogh and Ten Hag wasted a huge chunk of the budget when he is no better than what we had tbh.
Bailly was a defender whose qualities were all around physicality so when he became injury prone, he became a useless member of the squad.
I doubt that, given a high proprtion of the Caf were disappointed with the signing and questioned why we needed him.
We had about as much chance of getting Rice as we did Bellingham i.e. zero.
Feel for the guy Mount cause I feel like he's actually not been that bad since coming back from his first injury. He's a tidy player but feels like he can't really fit into the team with Bruno in there.
I guess that makes sense. Shaw and Martinez are a level above our other defenders in terms of controlling possession. Once everyone's fit, I assume the plan is to use Mount more frequently and we'll see less of Amrabat.
No it doesn't. He had the odd decent performance, but by and large he was absolutely rubbish.
The front 3 could benefit from having somebody with a pass-first mentality in it. To that end, Mount coming in for Antony would be something I'd like to see, at least until we're good enough to get away with the two free eights schtick.
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They did press us until back line spamming long balls so they stopped. Mctomminey is a false midfielder, every tine he starts, we dont have any form of control. Its really sad
Also Eriksen sub changed to game. I thought MM would replace Rashford as well but look like he has that diva status at this club and cant ve subbed off
Did Eminem write this?
60 million and not in consideration for coming off the bench in a game we were desperate for a goal.
I'm not sure he's a ETH signing, something doesn't sit right with me on this one now.
I'm not sure he's a ETH signing, something doesn't sit right with me on this one now.
ETH has a transfer veto. If he didn't like him, he wouldn't have signed him.
He wanted him for a "double 8" formation which failed V Wolves and Spurs. Didn't work so he abandoned ship, just like he did re passing out the back after two losses at the start of the 22/23 season.
You can't play that high pressing system unless the whole of the front line and midfield press together. They have not been drilled to do that.
Wish I had time to make AI Eminem “sing” it to me.the false number 8, sounds like the new hipster midfielder thing.
Couple it with an Italian term
False trequartista
Or should it be fully Italian?
La Falsa Trequartista mama mia *hand gesture* va fanculo
He is 100% a Ten Hag signing.
He has played very well. His absence now is tactical, not performance related.
For which top club, scouting agency or analytics agency do you work?
Just here to say what an amazing thread title, top notch.
Hopefully not for the one that spunked 80m on Antony.
To be fair The issue is changing from the build of structure of last season (3-2-2-3) with vertical passing in the build and the second 8 regular dropping alongside the DM to enable the left fb to join the attack. To the new structure (3-1-3-3), with shifting the ball alongside the back left and right before picking the pass into midfield. It leaves the sole holiding player having to fend off 3 players to receive the ball, with the three infront too high or wide forcing us to pass wide to progress the ball. Way easy to defend against for most teams because all they have to do is funnel our passing into wide areas, significantly reducing our ability to be fluid in passing let alone to create chances.
He’ll get plenty of games before the end of the season.
He's been a fan of Mount's for years. If he doesn't know how to use him that's on him.
Don't really see how those two returning will plug the gaping holes in midfield when we lose possession sufficiently to make the two advanced 8s work
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Most of the top teams play with two advanced 8s.
Compared position and minutes too?
I’m not arguing that. Just saying that nothing can be worse than a midfielder that hides from the ball and averages a pass every 15 minutes.