The threads concerning average players got me thinking what an average player is and that people have different conceptions of what one is. So who was the player who 50% of the people thought was world class and the other 50% say he is shit.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I think a lot of engine players and squad players fall into that category like Milner, Park, O'Shea.
I think Rakitic fits that. Plenty of people thought Sevilla was his ceiling and plenty of people thought he was good enough for Barca.
Thomas Muller is the #1 selection for this thread.
People who rate him consider him a phenomenally intelligent and brilliant player; people that don't, think he's some donkey who is fortunate that balls bounce off him and find their way into the goal. Some honestly cannot fathom why he'd cost £50m+ for a buying club.
People who rate him consider him a phenomenally intelligent and brilliant player; people that don't, think he's some donkey who is fortunate that balls bounce off him and find their way into the goal. Some honestly cannot fathom why he'd cost £50m+ for a buying club.
Carrick for non-United fans?
Theo Walcott might be a good shout too.
Pogba. cavani. Özil.
Busquets.
Some swear he's just been the lucky guy collecting trophy after trophy whilst Xavi and co did all the work, others consider him one of the best one-touch passers of all time.
Talk about extremes!
Some swear he's just been the lucky guy collecting trophy after trophy whilst Xavi and co did all the work, others consider him one of the best one-touch passers of all time.
Talk about extremes!
Lampard.
Gary Neville.
No one said Slippy???
I think that type of player in general really do divide opinion. The ones that quietly control the midfield and make it look simple. A lot of City fans claim Gareth Barry was hugely integral to their 11/12 title win. They're rarely ever highlight-reel players, and usually more appreciated by those watching them play a full 90 minutes every week.
Ibrahimovic seems to have a very divided following of those who think he's one of the world's top 5 and has been for some time and those who think he dies on his arse in the biggest games and can't be called world class.
Ozil. No posts on his two assists today.
Pedro, Zlatan (maybe not so much nowadays), Cavani, Mascherano
Yeah, he's shit.
Also because probably no one on here was watching the Arsenal game.
Carrick.
All good shouts. Barca's supporting cast in general (Pique, Abidal, Masch, Busquets) fall into this bracket because of the brilliance of the holy trinity, people lose the ability to judge their own contributions to the team.
Ronaldo
Berba
Good call. Still think Silva is a better player overall, but Ozil is an awesome #10, despite what I've seen others say.
Zlatan was the first one that came to mind even though I personally think it's mental anyone should question his abilities.
Beckham.
(IMO World Class)
(IMO World Class)
I don't think anyone doubts Zlatan or Muller's qualities. Ozil is a good shout though.
If Valencia was a new signing, as a right back with no previous as a frustrating winger he'd be a very popular IMO.
As it is, despite it being very low in priority of attributes for him, his poor crossing and lack of adventure will always be held against him.
As it is, despite it being very low in priority of attributes for him, his poor crossing and lack of adventure will always be held against him.
Diego Costa could be one
Joe Cole
Definitely Zlatan
Joe Hart
Wayne Rooney
Joe Cole
Definitely Zlatan
Joe Hart
Wayne Rooney
Juan Mata, just go to his performance thread.
Beckham
Fair point, I'd say. Not least if we consider him as a squad player/back-up RB. If he had been brought in as such by LVG last summer, I doubt he would be getting the constant criticism (abuse even) he gets now.
Then again, many of our fans seem oblivious to the fact that you can't have Cafu and Cafu's clone as your two RB options, so they'd probably demand that he'd be shot regardless of the circumstances.
And then there's a significant segment of others again, who seem to hold it against Valencia that Rafael was shipped out (because it makes sense, apparently, to keep a perma-crock on your books as a squad option).
At United Nani and Berbatov have heavily divided opinions in recent times. Danny Welbeck came close to doing the same and Rooney has been straying in to that territory over the last few seasons.
Cavani seems to do the same which I have never understood considering his goal scoring form over the last 5+ years (>30 goals a season average). I have never watched him regularly but he generally scores and looks dangerous whenever I do.
I suppose it is just one of those things. Every time I used to watch Ibrahimovic he generally underwhelmed, its only the last three years or so that I actually witnessed what the fuss was about and started truly appreciating him.
Cavani seems to do the same which I have never understood considering his goal scoring form over the last 5+ years (>30 goals a season average). I have never watched him regularly but he generally scores and looks dangerous whenever I do.
I suppose it is just one of those things. Every time I used to watch Ibrahimovic he generally underwhelmed, its only the last three years or so that I actually witnessed what the fuss was about and started truly appreciating him.
David Luiz was for awhile. Eventually everyone realised he is actually shit. Except Essex rob the bookies ofcourse.
Nani. Sergio Ramos (in the past)
Ozil.
I think most would agree he's talented but the debate is always over if he does enough over a season.
I think most would agree he's talented but the debate is always over if he does enough over a season.
Hoddle in the 80s. Easily the greatest natural talent around at the time. National team should have been built around him. Instead, he was constantly doubted because he tried to "ride tackles".
Mata
Oscar
Hummels
De Bruyne
Oscar
Hummels
De Bruyne
Stevie -me. In terms of where he lands in the grand scale of ratings. Was he world class ( Hate that term!) or not? Which positions were he world class in? Was he a very good jack of all trades but never truly a master at any?
Khedira, is he shit, average or good?
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