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Who were the top 10 goalscorers before the PL started ?
I think that would be a another interesting debate.
I think that would be a another interesting debate.
So Div.1 (say last 30 years?). Assuming goals is the focus...Who were the top 10 goalscorers before the PL started ?
I think that would be a another interesting debate.
Absolutely. For anyone to put Rooney above Cole is a nonsense.Andy Cole 10th!?
Yes I’m biased he’s my favourite United player but I have watched his Premier League 100 Club countless times & even towards the end he was scoring goals of every type.
The league has been blessed with some absolute ballers but if this is a list of the top ‘Premier League’ goalscorers it’s a f*cking shambles to not have him placed higher.
Also Liniker is a write off. Shearer not being 1st is an automatic red card offence.
Aguero is in that company.1. Shearer
2. Henry
The rest on the list were/are not on the same planet when you're talking about ruthlessness/Genius as a striker over 8 seasons in the PL. Neither of them played for a sugar daddy club either proving their calibre even further
Thanks for the reply.So Div.1 (say last 30 years?). Assuming goals is the focus...
Greaves would be No.1 for me.
Law, Charlton, Best obviously come to mind because of United... all scored lots even Best from wide
off the top of my head then .... Ian Rush, Ian Wright, Malcolm McDonald, Allan Clarke, Mick Channon (scored loads), Andy Gray, Gary Lineker, Kerry Dixon, Kevin Keegan, Tony Cottee, John Aldridge
All good players but Rush was a level above (the non United players) and Greaves was better than Rush.Thanks for the reply.
Interesting names there. I know of them,especially the United greats, and seen a few highlights but its rarely ever talked about.
I know alot about PL forwards and I think that conversation alittle tiresome now as I was born into it but before hand I know very little of the English game regarding certain players outside of the obvious big names.
Cole has 187 PL goals, Lampard has 177. Cole didn’t take pens and Lamps scored 60 pens. Deduct pens and it is 187 to 127.Just remember him being a better goalscorer
That’s 117 goals if you take away 60, Lampard scored 178 league goals.Cole has 187 PL goals, Lampard has 177. Cole didn’t take pens and Lamps scored 60 pens. Deduct pens and it is 187 to 127.
How is that even a debate.
Cole has the 3rd most goals in PL history. He also has goals before the PL even began.
I think he needs to win a Champions League to be placed in that company, considering the embarrassment of talent he is surrounded by on a weekly basis.Aguero is in that company.
The entire pre Premier League era can be divided into 3-4 periods, methinks — and you could then allocate one outstanding striker for each of those periods...Who were the top 10 goalscorers before the PL started ?
I think that would be a another interesting debate.
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For a post-war top 10, I'd think you'd add in Greaves, Rush, Law and Lofthouse. Greaves is clearly numero uno.Who were the top 10 goalscorers before the PL started ?
I think that would be a another interesting debate.
Well yes. Shearer from 1992 to 1997 was 0.81 goals per game. Ridiculous really. Some players have got close to that for a couple of seasons, but I can't think of anyone bar Greaves who has maintained that level for a sustained 5 year period.Shearer's pre-injury and ageing segment would be interesting for gpg as he was absolutely ridiculous before he had to modify his game.
That's the real Shearer, for all intents and purposes. Such a shame injury effectively ruined him despite him still being a solid contributor to his teams.Well yes. Shearer from 1992 to 1997 was 0.81 goals per game. Ridiculous really. Some players have got close to that for a couple of seasons, but I can't think of anyone bar Greaves who has maintained that level for a sustained 5 year period.
He should be regarded as one of the best because he was literally the best on the planet, best in the PL and incredibly successful during his time in the PL. Irrelevant of his time at RM.Never denied that. What’s that got to do with him being one of the best goalscorers in Premiership history though?
Owen won Ballon d’or at Liverpool and don’t see him on any lists.
My reasoning is pretty clear I feel like he only had one standout “Goal scoring” season for us regardless of what he won individually or with the team.
If this was a list of best ever players then yeah it’s a different argument.
Come on, it's only a half hour show.Match of the day doing these kind of things is a first step, and a pleasant one at that, but they need to refine and define these discussions instead of leaving them so nebulous and open ended.
If they want to assess goalscoring and goalscorers off the back of that, then surely gpg as well as total goals are the only factors.
If they want to discuss big game performance and goals there in, separate the categories and criteria to goals in finals, knock out competition and big 4/6 games.
Who you have, and where, would surely change between the two categories.
Not sure what you're referring to? The players would be established beforehand and then go from there.Come on, it's only a half hour show.
Yeah peak Shearer was mostly with us, and not with Newcastle (of course he was still excellent for them as well). He scored 112 league goals in 138 league appearances for us, and 148 in 303 appearances for Newcastle. He got injured and missed of half of his first season with us in 1992/1993 as well, otherwise his record would surely have been even better. He was insanely ruthless and clinical in front of goal.Well yes. Shearer from 1992 to 1997 was 0.81 goals per game. Ridiculous really. Some players have got close to that for a couple of seasons, but I can't think of anyone bar Greaves who has maintained that level for a sustained 5 year period.
I remember arguing with people that Ronaldo would definitely have broken the 40 goal Premier League barrier multiple times had he stayed at Utd, with them responding (nonsensically in my opinion) that the Premier League defenses were 'too tough' to allow that or something.Ronaldo would have smashed every single record if he stayed in England as long as most on the list
Very well put. Their criteria and then their list doesnt really tally I.e. if its goals scorers then Cole should be much higher on the list however you might have Drogba in your team before Cole.Match of the day doing these kind of things is a first step, and a pleasant one at that, but they need to refine and define these discussions instead of leaving them so nebulous and open ended.
If they want to assess goalscoring and goalscorers off the back of that, then surely gpg as well as total goals are the only factors.
If they want to discuss big game performance and goals there in, separate the categories and criteria to goals in finals, knock out competition and big 4/6 games.
Who you have, and where, would surely change between the two categories.
Who Aguero's teammates in City squads do think are better than Giggs, Scholes, Beckham? David Silva, KdB, Samir Nasri, Adam Johnson, Jesus Navas?I think he needs to win a Champions League to be placed in that company, considering the embarrassment of talent he is surrounded by on a weekly basis.
De Bruyne, Mahrez, Sterling, Rodri, Laporte, Bernard Silva, Fernandinho, Cancelo are all either world class or very close to that level.Who Aguero's teammates in City squads do think are better than Giggs, Scholes, Beckham? David Silva, KdB, Samir Nasri, Adam Johnson, Jesus Navas?
Blackburn absolutely were a sugar daddy club.1. Shearer
2. Henry
The rest on the list were/are not on the same planet when you're talking about ruthlessness/Genius as a striker over 8 seasons in the PL. Neither of them played for a sugar daddy club either proving their calibre even further
The CL has nothing to do with how good a PL striker he is. Neither of the other pair won the CL in England either so that’s an odd shout.I think he needs to win a Champions League to be placed in that company, considering the embarrassment of talent he is surrounded by on a weekly basis.
True but not for long. One minute they had money, next minute none. But yeah Shearer would have won a lot there had they been able to keep spending.Blackburn absolutely were a sugar daddy club.
By the time Henry got to Arsenal Bergkamp was only starting 20~ games a season for Arsenal and Henry scored 27 league goals in the 05-06 season when Bergkamp was essentially done.5. Henry, any strikers would score many goals if had Bergkamp as his partner (mind you Kluivert still holds the record for Netherlands), a brilliant Pires (I'd take Pires over any City AM bar KdB).
I remember arguing with people that Ronaldo would definitely have broken the 40 goal Premier League barrier multiple times had he stayed at Utd, with them responding (nonsensically in my opinion) that the Premier League defenses were 'too tough' to allow that or something.
Ronaldo has been amazing for a long time, but probably his 'ultimate peak' co-incided with when Mourinho and Ancelotti were in charge at Real Madrid, with him scoring 280 goals in all competitions for them during those 5 seasons (and for most of those seasons I think he was very rarely injured - I know he spent more time injured during Pellegrini's 1 season in charge there than he did during all 3 of Mourinho's combined), and when he was aged between 25-30.
He scored 31 Premier league goals in 2007/2008 at the age of 22/23. 4 years later in 2011/2012 for example when he scored 46 goals in La Liga and 60 overall, he was clearly an even better player at the age of 26/27 and a more deadly finisher, while to me the overall standard of Premier League defending looked to have noticeably declined at that point compared to the period when Ronaldo played in England. Does anyone really think that the Ronaldo of the early to mid part of the last decade, and (subjective I know) up against weaker defenses overall compared to a few years earlier, wouldn't have broken the 40 league barrier?
Of course I'm not saying that subjective hypotheticals like that should be factored in this particular list, it's just a general point.
Hasselbaink probably does too.Somehow Drogba manages to insert himself in these conversations. Had some important moments for Chelsea but like 9 in years in the prem and only ever scored more than 12 league goals twice (and this was Chelsea at their most dominant). Ehhh.
Jermaine Defoe probably has a better record