Mufc coaching staff and game management

[SAFMUTD]

Why do you need a list of players from Sevilla? Do you think City want any of Lyons players? It is one 90 minute game. In context of an intense period post covid where squad depth matters more than ever. Just like it will next season too.

Point is no one is claiming Ole needs a 23 man world class squad. But the drop in quality from our first team to our bench players is ridiculous. Any manager would struggle.

Before Bruno came in January we were looking piss poor. We are making progress in the league and reached 3 semi finals. It is not where United should be. But look at our league position over the last 7 years post Fergie. This is the first glimpse of progression since Jose finished 2nd.

It matters because some posters here are justifying lossing to Sevilla because we have a poor bench, thats nonsense. We have a better squad than them, we should have won. We didnt, its a failure it happens. But lets say it like it is a clear failure instead of trying to justify Saint Ole.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Thats a good excuse if we were playing a semi in the UCL, we were playing against freaking Sevilla. How many of their players would start for us? how many of their bench would you take?

It seems we need a 23 player squad full of world class players otherwise Ole cant be blamed for shit.

I know right.
The extent people goes to make poor excuses just to defend precious Ole.

 

[romufc]

And that its why my friend all those team that lost were marked as big failures. City loosing to Lyon is a disaster, as much as PSG lossing to us last year and Liverpool lossing to atletico.

Regarding the subs, so its actually and advantage for them to have a medium squad so the drop between starters and bench is not as hard?

Besides City I dont think there's a top team in the world who has similar quality from the starters and the bench. Because top players want to play and wont settle for squad roles.

So Klopp is a failure? Pep is a failure ? Hahah you are so so dramatic. A team loses one tie and they are failures.

Besides City? Okay lets start. Based on the starting line up last week.
Don't be changing the goal post after this though.

Real Madrid -
They have have a midfield of Casemeiro, Kroos, Modric with Valverde and Isco as subs.
Their forward line of Hazard, Benzema, Rodrygo is backed up with James, Vinicius, Bale, Asensio.

Bayern Munich

Lewandowski, Perisic, Gnabry started up top backed up with Coman, Coutinho.
Bayern in midfield have Thiago, Goretzka, Muller backed up with Tolisso and Kimmich.
Their defence includes Pavard, Sule, Hernandez, Alaba, Davies and Boateng.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Not sure what Ole was supposed to do here. He set up the team well and we outplayed Sevilla and created lots of chances to win. Other than become 15 years younger and put himself on to finish the chances what was he supposed to do?

Sevilla hung on by a thread all game and got lucky. That's all there is to it.

Clearly the plan isn't working as intended.
Creating chances - yes, it worked well and wonders!
Finishing chances - absolutely not.

So what can he do? plenty.

There is a correlation between poor finishing and calmness + composure.
So maybe 1. Bring Matic in to bring calmness, composure, shape and better defensive support. It might work improve finishing or it might not.

Our best three forwards couldn't finish for shit... bad day in the finishing department.
So maybe he could try either one of these...
2. Change the whole system to push Pogba forward. He is a threat inside the box.
3. Sub out one of the 3 especially Rashford for maybe Ighalo to provide better presence in the box so Martial could start creating havoc more with his dribbles and creative plays.
4. Sub out one of the 3 with Mata who is good in small pocket of spaces and did very well last game, and is in good confidence and form.
5. Sub out one of the 3 with McT for his height inside the box, along with this may lead Pogba to be push up who may be better at finishing as does as helping us dominate better in winning possession with Fred.

Maybe Ole should also consider making other subs to maybe improve the side.
6. Sub Williams out for TFM to get better height and therefore better threats during our corner and freekick.

Another thing he can do is to give specific instructions to players. It's a mess this time, that mess does help us creating a lot of chances but it lacked composure which can affected finishing. So..
7. Tell Martial to dribble more on the left as he's creating havoc.
8. Instruct Bruno to maintain positioning himself at #10 instead of roaming to the wings.
9. Instruct AWB to always get ready and deliver more crosses.
10. Instruct Pogba to always get ready inside the box.
11. Greenwood to focus only on attacking the righter and centre side, and not drifting way to the left.

12. etc etc.

All kind of things. If it's clearly not working, it's foolish to let it be. Amateurish. Be proactive. You win nothing by merely hoping for the best. Wasting time, not for the first time.

Sevilla get lucky is a shit excuse.
They were being clinical and grabbed their chances.
We were not, that's the key differences.

Were we lucky against PSG?
No, we were clinical and grabbed our chances.

 

[ray24]

The problem is not ability of the players, but rather the ability of the coaches to maximise the collective ability of all the players. Man Utd do not have a team of good coaches that improves on the player they bought ever since Alex Ferguson retired. Even a "dud" player can be fully maximised to play a role for the team under Ferguson.

Klopp is able to improve the players he have with him. Kagawa for example, is a player that played better under him than he did at Man Utd. The list goes on. Pep is someone that maximise the ability of the top-tier players. Yes he has the best players playing under him, but the best players very often played even better than they did previously. Xavi, Iniesta and Messi all saw improvement in their performances, even if those players are always destined for greatness.

Teams can be unlucky in a knock-out competition. But being unlucky in all 3 knock-out tournaments do not reflect well on the coaches at Man Utd. Your fanbase is acting in the same way that eventually led to Barcelona's current state. It is basically trying to buy the biggest proven name in the respective positions, while neglecting the importance of giving those players the same level of coaching that allowed them to develop so well at other clubs.

A player like Daniel James will perform much better in Leeds under Bielsa than at MUFC because he would have been coached and taught how to react tactically to situation, something that is not there at MUFC currently.

 

[SAFMUTD]

So Klopp is a failure? Pep is a failure ? Hahah you are so so dramatic. A team loses one tie and they are failures.

Besides City? Okay lets start. Based on the starting line up last week.
Don't be changing the goal post after this though.

Real Madrid -
They have have a midfield of Casemeiro, Kroos, Modric with Valverde and Isco as subs.
Their forward line of Hazard, Benzema, Rodrygo is backed up with James, Vinicius, Bale, Asensio.

Bayern Munich

Lewandowski, Perisic, Gnabry started up top backed up with Coman, Coutinho.
Bayern in midfield have Thiago, Goretzka, Muller backed up with Tolisso and Kimmich.
Their defence includes Pavard, Sule, Hernandez, Alaba, Davies and Boateng.

Im not saying Klopp, Pep or Ole are failures as managers, thats a big statement. I said they failed this year in the UCL and Europa League which is true.

All the players you mentioned as bench are good players, but are they as good as the starters? besides Valverde and Vinicius in Madrid the other ones dont really challenge for the starting spots. Same in Bayern. The argument wasnt if they didnt had good options in the bench, the argument was if their quality doesnt drop from the starters to the bench players, which obviosuly does. There's a reason why the starters are starters and the bench players are bench players.

 

[romufc]

Im not saying Klopp, Pep or Ole are failures as managers, thats a big statement. I said they failed this year in the UCL and Europa League which is true.

All the players you mentioned as bench are good players, but are they as good as the starters? besides Valverde and Vinicius in Madrid the other ones dont really challenge for the starting spots. Same in Bayern. The argument wasnt if they didnt had good options in the bench, the argument was if their quality doesnt drop from the starters to the bench players, which obviosuly does. There's a reason why the starters are starters and the bench players are bench players.

But you only need 2/3 subs that are of that quality. I would say our midfield is okay replacing Fred with Mctominay or Matic, too many quality players will affect morale.

Just like a Grealish or Sancho to come on if Bruno/ Greenwood/ Rashford are having a poor game.

 

[lex talionis]

Game management is a legitimate criticism of Ole, but not in reaction to yesterday's defeat.

What let us down were serial poor finishing and shocking idiocy by Lindelof for the second goal. Ole did all he could do, although one could quibble with the decision to bring on James, who's gone from good (early in the season) to bad (midseason) to ugly (end of the season).

 

[OleTheGreat]

Ole‘a good side and bad side can be shown via Greenwood. The fact that Ole picked him and made him a starter and helping him develop is Ole’s good side. Not every manager would have trusted an 18 year old. However his bad side is the tactical set up with Greenwood. We should be creating situations where he gets opportunities for Mason to have a shot on goal. But more often then not we see Mason wide right or with his back to goal. Tactical set up should be done such that we make moves to make greenwood take a shot but that barely happens.

Mason is a striker and I guess he'll play more centrally if we had a proper player on the right. He has 2 good feet and therefore if he played more centrally, he'd move better and create more chances and score from many others. Ole needs reinforcements and Ed has to work with him and bring in the necessary players. Players like Sancho, Costa, Rice, Chilwell, and maybe another CB. It's not going to be an easy summer and we should not even hope to win the league next season because we certainly will not sign 4-5 players regardless of the pandemic that has potentially slowed down the market. We just cannot pick out the players and negotiate.

We'll barely again make CL spot next season and have the same rotten form in the cups. Gear up and watch us underperform for a whole season again. I'm not wishing anything until I see proper signings. Until then, Ciao everyone!

 

[Mark Pawelek]

Right, so the season is done and I think this needs to be addressed because it’s been really bad all season. Lo and behold in our final game of the season it happens in such an embarrassing way. It would be unfair to attribute this just to Ole. The whole point of Phelan, Carrick and McKenna is to assist with this and advise Ole.

But what the feck is going on... I can count at least ten games this season where we’ve either been losing control of a game, getting run ragged, certain players are looking leggy or just having complete stinkers and nothing is done to change it.
Nobody on our bench can work it out yet you’ve got hundreds of us whining in the match day thread pointing the problems out and then finally about twenty mins later (and by that time too late) do our coaching staff make the required changes.

Tonight, Rashford having a complete stinker. Fred and Williams tiring... but nothing is done until the 87th minute.
West Ham and Southampton games too. We’ve been able to make five subs yet it has weirdly made our coaching staff even worse at making required changes during a game.

I get our bench isn’t great but If the players who are starting are having complete mares or are completely shattered whats the point leaving them on.

There’s no point signing Sancho, having great team spirit, developing young players, getting the best out of certain players if you ruin it all by being so incompetent at managing a game of football. It’s such a massive factor. It’s literally the difference between being a team who finish 3rd and lose lots of semis to actually challenging for titles, getting to finals and winning cups. It’s been a year lads, sort it out!

Reads like a losing my rag rant. Coaches do their work before a match. Rashford is one of United's top 4 forwards (Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Fernandes). Coaches don't have anyone they can sub on for him. We're not in SAF days when he could take players off and bring on equivalent level. United only have a 1st-11, with no real bench.

 

[SAFMUTD]

But you only need 2/3 subs that are of that quality. I would say our midfield is okay replacing Fred with Mctominay or Matic, too many quality players will affect morale.

Just like a Grealish or Sancho to come on if Bruno/ Greenwood/ Rashford are having a poor game.

So our bench is poor as feck but we are just 1 player away to having a great bench? that doesnt make any sense. I know our bench is not great, but players as Ighalo, Mata, Matic, McTominay for sure should be able to impact a game.

Dont misunderstand me, Im not saying we have a great squad we crearly dont way too many passengers but I dont think that we should blame that one for a 1 leg tie. If anything if affects a season long tournament.

 

[Water Melon]

Clearly the plan isn't working as intended.
Creating chances - yes, it worked well and wonders!
Finishing chances - absolutely not.

So what can he do? plenty.

There is a correlation between poor finishing and calmness + composure.
So maybe 1. Bring Matic in to bring calmness, composure, shape and better defensive support. It might work improve finishing or it might not.

Our best three forwards couldn't finish for shit... bad day in the finishing department.
So maybe he could try either one of these...
2. Change the whole system to push Pogba forward. He is a threat inside the box.
3. Sub out one of the 3 especially Rashford for maybe Ighalo to provide better presence in the box so Martial could start creating havoc more with his dribbles and creative plays.
4. Sub out one of the 3 with Mata who is good in small pocket of spaces and did very well last game, and is in good confidence and form.
5. Sub out one of the 3 with McT for his height inside the box, along with this may lead Pogba to be push up who may be better at finishing as does as helping us dominate better in winning possession with Fred.

Maybe Ole should also consider making other subs to maybe improve the side.
6. Sub Williams out for TFM to get better height and therefore better threats during our corner and freekick.

Another thing he can do is to give specific instructions to players. It's a mess this time, that mess does help us creating a lot of chances but it lacked composure which can affected finishing. So..
7. Tell Martial to dribble more on the left as he's creating havoc.
8. Instruct Bruno to maintain positioning himself at #10 instead of roaming to the wings.
9. Instruct AWB to always get ready and deliver more crosses.
10. Instruct Pogba to always get ready inside the box.
11. Greenwood to focus only on attacking the righter and centre side, and not drifting way to the left.

12. etc etc.

All kind of things. If it's clearly not working, it's foolish to let it be. Amateurish. Be proactive. You win nothing by merely hoping for the best. Wasting time, not for the first time.

Sevilla get lucky is a shit excuse.
They were being clinical and grabbed their chances.
We were not, that's the key differences.

Were we lucky against PSG?
No, we were clinical and grabbed our chances.

Hats off.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Reads like a losing my rag rant. Coaches do their work before a match. Rashford is one of United's top 4 forwards (Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Fernandes). Coaches don't have anyone they can sub on for him. We're not in SAF days when he could take players off and bring on equivalent level. United only have a 1st-11, with no real bench.

Christ on a bike mate. Are you actually suggesting a coaches influence ends once the team step out onto the pitch?
You’re also over rating our starting eleven and their performances over the last few weeks. A few of the players you listed were either gassed or having pub level performances in recent weeks and were not subbed off.
It’s not a losing a rag rant it’s pointing out something that is so obvious. I’ve said it during the season numerous times, this isn’t knee jerk.
For all the solid work done by our coaching staff this season they still have gaping holes in certain elements of their coaching which will prevent this team from ever becoming something more than “the teams just below the best teams”.

Clearly the plan isn't working as intended.
Creating chances - yes, it worked well and wonders!
Finishing chances - absolutely not.

So what can he do? plenty.

There is a correlation between poor finishing and calmness + composure.
So maybe 1. Bring Matic in to bring calmness, composure, shape and better defensive support. It might work improve finishing or it might not.

Our best three forwards couldn't finish for shit... bad day in the finishing department.
So maybe he could try either one of these...
2. Change the whole system to push Pogba forward. He is a threat inside the box.
3. Sub out one of the 3 especially Rashford for maybe Ighalo to provide better presence in the box so Martial could start creating havoc more with his dribbles and creative plays.
4. Sub out one of the 3 with Mata who is good in small pocket of spaces and did very well last game, and is in good confidence and form.
5. Sub out one of the 3 with McT for his height inside the box, along with this may lead Pogba to be push up who may be better at finishing as does as helping us dominate better in winning possession with Fred.

Maybe Ole should also consider making other subs to maybe improve the side.
6. Sub Williams out for TFM to get better height and therefore better threats during our corner and freekick.

Another thing he can do is to give specific instructions to players. It's a mess this time, that mess does help us creating a lot of chances but it lacked composure which can affected finishing. So..
7. Tell Martial to dribble more on the left as he's creating havoc.
8. Instruct Bruno to maintain positioning himself at #10 instead of roaming to the wings.
9. Instruct AWB to always get ready and deliver more crosses.
10. Instruct Pogba to always get ready inside the box.
11. Greenwood to focus only on attacking the righter and centre side, and not drifting way to the left.

12. etc etc.

All kind of things. If it's clearly not working, it's foolish to let it be. Amateurish. Be proactive. You win nothing by merely hoping for the best. Wasting time, not for the first time.

Sevilla get lucky is a shit excuse.
They were being clinical and grabbed their chances.
We were not, that's the key differences.

Were we lucky against PSG?
No, we were clinical and grabbed our chances.

Good post. Ole needs to get someone in who can read a game and thinks outside the box. Fergie did the same with Queiroz when he saw he needed a different perspective. I don’t understand why people in this thread are getting touchy and coming out with lazy excuses.

 

[Foxbatt]

Web and Leroy are spot on. They are not starting is for a reason. Mostly because they are not as good as the starting 11.
The coaching has been terrible. Our movements off the ball are not good. When our full backs were getting over loaded, there were two options.
Either our wingers dropped to help or get the ball to our wingers as soon as we got possession. We did neither. It shows that the coaching staff had no clue or the players refused to listen. I don't believe the latter.
When was the last time we scored from a corner?
When did we ever had a near post flick in a corner? I can't even remember. We have decent headers. Maguire, Pogba, Matic, and even Lindelof. When you look at our corners we know it's not practiced and is left to Bruno to take one and Maguire to try and head.
Why is Pogba not moving forward? Why do they let Rashford try his antics day after day?

It's easy to say that crosses has to be cutoff. Of course they have to but why is the full back or midfield player or the player covering did not get back? Is he tired to get back? If so why is he not replaced?
These are things coaching staff had to see during a match.

 

[SteveW]

Clearly the plan isn't working as intended.
Creating chances - yes, it worked well and wonders!
Finishing chances - absolutely not.

So what can he do? plenty.

There is a correlation between poor finishing and calmness + composure.
So maybe 1. Bring Matic in to bring calmness, composure, shape and better defensive support. It might work improve finishing or it might not.

Our best three forwards couldn't finish for shit... bad day in the finishing department.
So maybe he could try either one of these...
2. Change the whole system to push Pogba forward. He is a threat inside the box.
3. Sub out one of the 3 especially Rashford for maybe Ighalo to provide better presence in the box so Martial could start creating havoc more with his dribbles and creative plays.
4. Sub out one of the 3 with Mata who is good in small pocket of spaces and did very well last game, and is in good confidence and form.
5. Sub out one of the 3 with McT for his height inside the box, along with this may lead Pogba to be push up who may be better at finishing as does as helping us dominate better in winning possession with Fred.

Maybe Ole should also consider making other subs to maybe improve the side.
6. Sub Williams out for TFM to get better height and therefore better threats during our corner and freekick.

Another thing he can do is to give specific instructions to players. It's a mess this time, that mess does help us creating a lot of chances but it lacked composure which can affected finishing. So..
7. Tell Martial to dribble more on the left as he's creating havoc.
8. Instruct Bruno to maintain positioning himself at #10 instead of roaming to the wings.
9. Instruct AWB to always get ready and deliver more crosses.
10. Instruct Pogba to always get ready inside the box.
11. Greenwood to focus only on attacking the righter and centre side, and not drifting way to the left.

12. etc etc.

All kind of things. If it's clearly not working, it's foolish to let it be. Amateurish. Be proactive. You win nothing by merely hoping for the best. Wasting time, not for the first time.

Sevilla get lucky is a shit excuse.
They were being clinical and grabbed their chances.
We were not, that's the key differences.

Were we lucky against PSG?
No, we were clinical and grabbed our chances.

Wow, you really think FM is real life.

 

[Ali Dia]

I understand playing our best and most in form players a lot but Rashford has been very poor since he came back. he probably would have been dropped long before last night in a better squad. I would have kept Chong until after this match and gave him a go as a sub as soon as they went ahead or even started him and subbed Rashford on instead. Rashford desperately needs competition. I think it’ll be him who loses his place first if we get sancho.

 

[Mainoldo]

Ever consider Phelan, Carrick, Mckenna know more about football than you?

Embarrassing thread.

I tell you who knows more about football than us and them. Jose Mourinho!

 

[passing-wind]

Ever consider Phelan, Carrick, Mckenna know more about football than you?

Embarrassing thread.

That's true but they all seemingly are poor at their respective responsibilities with the exception of Phelan. Do we look like a side that is well drilled ? Do we look like a team that has had an emphasis on coaching ? They aren't good enough doing nothing but collecting paychecks.

 

[sammsky1]

Clearly the plan isn't working as intended.
Creating chances - yes, it worked well and wonders!
Finishing chances - absolutely not.

So what can he do? plenty.

There is a correlation between poor finishing and calmness + composure.
So maybe 1. Bring Matic in to bring calmness, composure, shape and better defensive support. It might work improve finishing or it might not.

Our best three forwards couldn't finish for shit... bad day in the finishing department.
So maybe he could try either one of these...
2. Change the whole system to push Pogba forward. He is a threat inside the box.
3. Sub out one of the 3 especially Rashford for maybe Ighalo to provide better presence in the box so Martial could start creating havoc more with his dribbles and creative plays.
4. Sub out one of the 3 with Mata who is good in small pocket of spaces and did very well last game, and is in good confidence and form.
5. Sub out one of the 3 with McT for his height inside the box, along with this may lead Pogba to be push up who may be better at finishing as does as helping us dominate better in winning possession with Fred.

Maybe Ole should also consider making other subs to maybe improve the side.
6. Sub Williams out for TFM to get better height and therefore better threats during our corner and freekick.

Another thing he can do is to give specific instructions to players. It's a mess this time, that mess does help us creating a lot of chances but it lacked composure which can affected finishing. So..
7. Tell Martial to dribble more on the left as he's creating havoc.
8. Instruct Bruno to maintain positioning himself at #10 instead of roaming to the wings.
9. Instruct AWB to always get ready and deliver more crosses.
10. Instruct Pogba to always get ready inside the box.
11. Greenwood to focus only on attacking the righter and centre side, and not drifting way to the left.

12. etc etc.

All kind of things. If it's clearly not working, it's foolish to let it be. Amateurish. Be proactive. You win nothing by merely hoping for the best. Wasting time, not for the first time.

Sevilla get lucky is a shit excuse.
They were being clinical and grabbed their chances.
We were not, that's the key differences.

Were we lucky against PSG?
No, we were clinical and grabbed our chances.

Shouldn’t he just send Phelan for pre and post match interviews and that would solve everything?

Else buy an additional preset tactics patch.

Could also restart if we lose, keep playing same match until we win, and only then ‘save’; that way you’d win every game of the season.

 

[Mr PG]

Pogba is a huge goal threat. Should have subbed of Rashford at 60 min mark for Matic or McTominay and moved Pogba to no.10. My annoyance is Ole knows Rashford been struggling a few games now and leaving him on all game in the hope he conjures up something reeks of naivety. Dan James was never going to be the solution but right now Dan James would have done better than Wan Bissaka at right back.

 

[DRJosh]

To bluntly put it, you can't polish turd. We have literally no game-changing subs. Ole was one of those and he would have noticed this straight away.

There is no logic to throwing on a few subs in the faint hope they would change the game. More often than not it doesn't work and those posters arguing otherwise are all doing so with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Foxbatt]

To bluntly put it, you can't polish turd. We have literally no game-changing subs. Ole was one of those and he would have noticed this straight away.

There is no logic to throwing on a few subs in the faint hope they would change the game. More often than not it doesn't work and those posters arguing otherwise are all doing so with the benefit of hindsight.

This is the problem. You need to change the way we play if we put on subs unless they are like for like. If we take of Rashford and put on Odion and push Martial to the left, then we need to get the best out of Odion is to play the way he can play best. It is that we are too rigid. Actually people accuse LVG of being rigid. So is Ole. He always play with three forwards. Jose is the least rigid of those three. With the pace of Martial, he always has the option of going two up front and dropping the third striker and go direct with Odion. He never does it. It is always three.
It is not with hindsight. Even a blind man can see that some our players cannot run as they have nothing left. Seville put on fresh legs and that created a lot of problems for us. Some of us knew that we were not in the game as players would hesitate and then look and put their heads down and start running back to help the defence.
Our players would always give the ball to Pogba, Bruno or Mata when he is on the pitch. They do not have to. Most other teams especially in Europe do not so. Other players are capable too. When they grab the ball they restrict the space. Why do our defenders have to get to the byline to put a cross in? Why can't they do it early? Why do our defenders only can take a throw in? You look at the way we play. It is 90s football.

 

[cyril C]

Thats a good excuse if we were playing a semi in the UCL, we were playing against freaking Sevilla. How many of their players would start for us? how many of their bench would you take?

It seems we need a 23 player squad full of world class players otherwise Ole cant be blamed for shit.

How many times have Sevilla won Europa? Do you know why? Individually they may be average, as a team they may not be as lethal as Alt Madrid , but against above average good teams, they are strong enough. In fact, they have created next to nothing on chances, just capitalise on our mistakes, which is good enough to progress.

 

[Foxbatt]

How many times have Sevilla won Europa? Do you know why? Individually they may be average, as a team they may not be as lethal as Alt Madrid , but against above average good teams, they are strong enough. In fact, they have created next to nothing on chances, just capitalise on our mistakes, which is good enough to progress.

They are coached and drilled well too.

 

[sglowrider]

Get to feck with an embarrassing thread like this.

Ole, Mike and Kieran will know, and have forgotten, more about what's needed at any given time in any game whether we are ahead, or losing than if everybody of a Red persuasion on the forum put their heads together to come up with the answers.

This is what happens when you ace it on FIFA20 or FM and then think you can manage as well. Or those twats on AFTV who started their own football teams like Mr DT and think then they can coach and manage a team.

 

[Class of 63]

This is what happens when you ace it on FIFA20 or FM and then think you can manage as well. Or those twats on AFTV who started their own football teams like Mr DT and think then they can coach and manage a team.

They are probably the type of person that would leave comments after watching a porno criticising the star mans performance "your technique was all wrong, you should mix up your tempo and depth of thrust ...."

 

[SAFMUTD]

How many times have Sevilla won Europa? Do you know why? Individually they may be average, as a team they may not be as lethal as Alt Madrid , but against above average good teams, they are strong enough. In fact, they have created next to nothing on chances, just capitalise on our mistakes, which is good enough to progress.

Sevilla is a good team, the greatest in this second tier competition, but thats what it is a second tier competitions for second tier teams. For the amount we spend we should be conquering, relatively easy, this competitions which we are not supposed to be in the first place.

No offense to Sevilla but any team in the round of 16 in the champions league would be excited to have the draw against them, nevermind in a semifinal.

Im surprised by how many in here are ok with being eliminated by them as if this is the standard now, I know we are not on our highest point but it seems our mentality and expectations gets lower and lower each year.

 

[cyril C]

Sevilla is a good team, the greatest in this second tier competition, but thats what it is a second tier competitions for second tier teams. For the amount we spend we should be conquering, relatively easy, this competitions which we are not supposed to be in the first place.

No offense to Sevilla but any team in the round of 16 in the champions league would be excited to have the draw against them, nevermind in a semifinal.

Im surprised by how many in here are ok with being eliminated by them as if this is the standard now, I know we are not on our highest point but it seems our mentality and expectations gets lower and lower each year.

We are fortunate to go into the Semi without any financial burden of a must-win game. A loss is just a knock on our pride and perhaps a loss to someone's bonus plan. Look at it on the bright side, Liverpool already start training, before we played Semi, so we are 3 weeks behind them in terms of preparation for new season, on top of any constraint imposed by quarantine.

As who would like to face Sevilla. We were polled before as who I would prefer facing - Wolves or Sevilla. I did not reply because I really don't know. We failed to beat Wolves, are we confident in beating Sevilla? If we face Everton tomorrow in a one-off game, are we confident in beating them? We had a good run since Xmas doesn't mean we have reached the same level as Liverpool or City. Regardless of how much you have spent (ask Barca), assembling the most expensive squad does not equate to success. I have repeated the same argument regarding Sancho. Buying it right is more important than buying the most expensive item, and I keep on hearing argument for Grealish or Saul. Too much influence from the Agent perhaps.

 

[SAFMUTD]

We are fortunate to go into the Semi without any financial burden of a must-win game. A loss is just a knock on our pride and perhaps a loss to someone's bonus plan. Look at it on the bright side, Liverpool already start training, before we played Semi, so we are 3 weeks behind them in terms of preparation for new season, on top of any constraint imposed by quarantine.

As who would like to face Sevilla. We were polled before as who I would prefer facing - Wolves or Sevilla. I did not reply because I really don't know. We failed to beat Wolves, are we confident in beating Sevilla? If we face Everton tomorrow in a one-off game, are we confident in beating them? We had a good run since Xmas doesn't mean we have reached the same level as Liverpool or City. Regardless of how much you have spent (ask Barca), assembling the most expensive squad does not equate to success. I have repeated the same argument regarding Sancho. Buying it right is more important than buying the most expensive item, and I keep on hearing argument for Grealish or Saul. Too much influence from the Agent perhaps.

Im not saying its a cake of a team, but god damn if we thinks is normal to go out against Sevilla if can as well be normal for next year to go out on group stage. Since we will face way harder teams in the UCL.

 

[murali_red]

The problem is not ability of the players, but rather the ability of the coaches to maximise the collective ability of all the players. Man Utd do not have a team of good coaches that improves on the player they bought ever since Alex Ferguson retired. Even a "dud" player can be fully maximised to play a role for the team under Ferguson.

Klopp is able to improve the players he have with him. Kagawa for example, is a player that played better under him than he did at Man Utd. The list goes on. Pep is someone that maximise the ability of the top-tier players. Yes he has the best players playing under him, but the best players very often played even better than they did previously. Xavi, Iniesta and Messi all saw improvement in their performances, even if those players are always destined for greatness.

Teams can be unlucky in a knock-out competition. But being unlucky in all 3 knock-out tournaments do not reflect well on the coaches at Man Utd. Your fanbase is acting in the same way that eventually led to Barcelona's current state. It is basically trying to buy the biggest proven name in the respective positions, while neglecting the importance of giving those players the same level of coaching that allowed them to develop so well at other clubs.

A player like Daniel James will perform much better in Leeds under Bielsa than at MUFC because he would have been coached and taught how to react tactically to situation, something that is not there at MUFC currently.

You are over rating Pep, for the amount of players Pep had at his disposal and brought himself from the market, the amount of players max out should be a very small percentage, which can be translated to luck. He didn't get best of several good players which everyone knows citing they suit whatever system he plays

 

[murali_red]

This is the problem. You need to change the way we play if we put on subs unless they are like for like. If we take of Rashford and put on Odion and push Martial to the left, then we need to get the best out of Odion is to play the way he can play best. It is that we are too rigid. Actually people accuse LVG of being rigid. So is Ole. He always play with three forwards. Jose is the least rigid of those three. With the pace of Martial, he always has the option of going two up front and dropping the third striker and go direct with Odion. He never does it. It is always three.
It is not with hindsight. Even a blind man can see that some our players cannot run as they have nothing left. Seville put on fresh legs and that created a lot of problems for us. Some of us knew that we were not in the game as players would hesitate and then look and put their heads down and start running back to help the defence.
Our players would always give the ball to Pogba, Bruno or Mata when he is on the pitch. They do not have to. Most other teams especially in Europe do not so. Other players are capable too. When they grab the ball they restrict the space. Why do our defenders have to get to the byline to put a cross in? Why can't they do it early? Why do our defenders only can take a throw in? You look at the way we play. It is 90s football.

Yes, it's basically pass the ball to Pogba, Bruno, Martial, Maguire makes good passes to Martial frequently, so he should be capable of passing to other areas as well. We are too dependent on few players. It should be a mix of both.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

That's true but they all seemingly are poor at their respective responsibilities with the exception of Phelan. Do we look like a side that is well drilled ? Do we look like a team that has had an emphasis on coaching ? They aren't good enough doing nothing but collecting paychecks.

You have no idea what is happening on the training pitch and behind closed doors.

Of course they're being 'well drilled'. That's why our defensive record is the second best in the league, after being shite last season. Improvements time and nothing any coaching team can do about the individual errors for Sevilla's winner. But you will not see us concede a goal like that again.

So quick to remember what they inherited and how we played previously. You have to be wilfully ignoring it not to see the improvement.

 

[Morpheus 7]

The squad management could have been better, think the issue is the squad though. There is a clear lack of trust in this bench. We have played the same team too much over lockdown. We need players the manager trusts, then we will see better changes and subs. We needed a goal against Sevilla and we are relying on James and Ighalo.

The coaching of setpieces, playing from the back needs to improve. It's clearly not fast and efficient enough. There is a concentration issues at setpieces. We should be scoring more from corners. I think the coaching could be better tactically at times, there is room for improvement. I still think the squad needs addressed, can't keep players the manager doesn't trust or play. That's down to the board to fix. When Ole gets more of his own players, then the criticism of the manager and staff needs questioned.

 

[Bestietom]

Whoever is coaching our defence should get their finger out. The schoolboy errors will have to stop. Please don't tell me about our defence stats. When it comes to important games we just seem to collapse. 3 semi-finals and we just can't seem to get over the line. I also still feel that our Midfield is not right, The big hole is still there.

 

[ray24]

You are over rating Pep, for the amount of players Pep had at his disposal and brought himself from the market, the amount of players max out should be a very small percentage, which can be translated to luck. He didn't get best of several good players which everyone knows citing they suit whatever system he plays

But he did improve the game of players like Sterling. He allows Kevin De Bryyne to play at a even higher level than before. Pep has always worked with top-level players, but he is able to improve their game in many ways.

It's very common to see fans from Pep's rival clubs underrating his ability as a coach, but most Barca, Bayern and Man City fans will say he has improved many of the players at their club while he was there. Not everyone is a success, and there's plenty of players who couldn't play well under him, but that's the case for many other coaches as well.

 

[Foxbatt]

You have no idea what is happening on the training pitch and behind closed doors.

Of course they're being 'well drilled'. That's why our defensive record is the second best in the league, after being shite last season. Improvements time and nothing any coaching team can do about the individual errors for Sevilla's winner. But you will not see us concede a goal like that again.

So quick to remember what they inherited and how we played previously. You have to be wilfully ignoring it not to see the improvement.

Of course we don't know what goes on the training pitch but we do know what goes on during the game.
It's not well drilled. It's pathetic. School boy errors will not be made so regularly if it's a well drilled team. Yes we can and will get beaten but not so much of errors.
When was the last time we scored from a Corner? When was the last time we had a near post flick from a corner? I for sure can't remember.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

Of course we don't know what goes on the training pitch but we do know what goes on during the game.
It's not well drilled. It's pathetic. School boy errors will not be made so regularly if it's a well drilled team. Yes we can and will get beaten but not so much of errors.
When was the last time we scored from a Corner? When was the last time we had a near post flick from a corner? I for sure can't remember.

It was juat a couple of errors. It's not systemic.

Sometimes games like that happen where whatever we do the ball's not going in for us, then we get suckerpunched

I could point to many games in successful United teams where there have been defensive cock ups, does that mean the players weren't 'drilled' then?

Not every defeat has to mean there's a serious issue. We're a team who's starting from a low point and gradually getting better - there will be plenty more ups and downs to come.

 

[cyril C]

Im not saying its a cake of a team, but god damn if we thinks is normal to go out against Sevilla if can as well be normal for next year to go out on group stage. Since we will face way harder teams in the UCL.

You are contradictory if this is the right term. You are expecting the team to beat practically any Europa team because you are expecting harder opponents next season. But then are you not expecting the team, manager included, to improve over the next few months?

What is wrong about losing? What is important is why we lost, how we lost, and whether we can do better next time. A team always lose somehow and somewhere alone the season. My point was, after securing Cl qualification, in contrary to another thread saying we should send in the boys, we SHOULD try our best to win this tournament, but more importantly, learn, and find out where we are short. There is relatively little pain in losing, at least financially, so enjoy the game.

 

[Number32]

We really don't have a legit defensive coach, and also a bang average goal keeping coach. Mike Phelan has done a great job last year, but he's the one who is responsible for our defensive woe this season. Coaching defense as a unit is not an easy task, we need a fresh defensive minded coach to balance our attacking force.

 

[AR87]

We really don't have a legit defensive coach, and also a bang average goal keeping coach. Mike Phelan has done a great job last year, but he's the one who is responsible for our defensive woe this season. Coaching defense as a unit is not an easy task, we need a fresh defensive minded coach to balance our attacking force.

Defensive woe for the club 3rd in the league in GA and xGA is some more woe I can take.