Munich - 60 years remembrance thread

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Thought the service was well done as was the one in Munich (and really liked the Red Star message).

Dont know if anyone who attended the service can shed any light but I saw pics of Harry Gregg attending and noticed he wasn't sat upfront and wondered why. I fully understand why Bobby Charlton did (as his career/time/impact with United is huge) but given what Harry Gregg did, I wondered if the club asked him to sit up front, especially as he said he may not attend again.

It might be he wouldn't want it (he does come across as a quiet, simple guy) but I've always felt the club should have done something more for him and hope that they've at least tried.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42953090
Thought the service was well done as was the one in Munich (and really liked the Red Star message).

Dont know if anyone who attended the service can shed any light but I saw pics of Harry Gregg attending and noticed he wasn't sat upfront and wondered why. I fully understand why Bobby Charlton did (as his career/time/impact with United is huge) but given what Harry Gregg did, I wondered if the club asked him to sit up front, especially as he said he may not attend again.

It might be he wouldn't want it (he does come across as a quiet, simple guy) but I've always felt the club should have done something more for him and hope that they've at least tried.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42953090
How is that such big deal were he sat its not like he sat at the other end of the pitch.
Regarding attending another memorial service we have to reconize that man is 85 years old, and he's not getting younger. So I think he was reconizing his age more than anything. At such old age health can regress quickly.

Yes, the club of course should have done more for the survivors, and book was written about it how the club failed the families of the surviors and those who died if remember correctly, I saw it on Amazon.co.uk but I have not read that book. But we must take it into an accont that the disaster happened in an era, where mental health was disregarded and that post traumatic stress disorder did not exist. The mental issues are probably the prime reasons why Kenny Morgans career forexample never recovered after the crash.
But should we fault the modern club for the decision making back then, no. But should the modern club do more to rectify the situation with familes of those who were affected in the disaster of course.
 

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Courtesy of @Tony Clifton:

Some rare colour footage of the Busby Babes, less than a year before tragedy struck.

Whelan hat trick :drool:. Think I read before he used to alternate with Sir Bobby and was more than good enough to keep him out of the first XI.
 

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Maybe because I'm getting older and (obviously) having known more people who died than I did when I started supporting United I tend to get weirdly emotional at the anniversary. I think firstly because I've known friends who have died when in their late teens / early 20s, but also as an adult I've lost friends who have lost children. I don't know where I rank Munich on an emotional level but I as we re-live it every year it seems like I can much more easily get over the other deaths but Munich is a lump in throat moment every time someone brings it up. Very odd emotion but one that will always keep me connected to the club
 

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Was thinking today, and I know it's been mentioned in this thread, and reflecting upon a thread I saw a while ago about statues and if we should make another, and who for? There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy Murphy deserves a statue right next to Sir Matt, the 'nuts and bolts' of the club at the time when everything was falling apart he kept it together and without him Manchester United would not have become the club it was then or what it has come to be now, can't think of anyone more deserving of one.

RIP lads
 

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The tragedy feels so close to home to me that I struggle to know what to say really. My Grandad was Busby's chief scout & signed many of the babes. He took the call at Old Trafford & headed out to inform relatives and loved ones who weren't contactable by phone. He kept things running with Jimmy. In fact, while Jimmy was away with the team at Norbreck Hyrdo in Blackpool, he was at Old Trafford keeping things going there.
 

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Never forget them. Always celebrate how amazing they were as a team. Someone said at the time they weren't just Manchester's they were everybodies they were loved and admired that much.

RIP
 

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Twas the night before Christmas, Old Trafford was bare.
The staff all gone home, there was nobody there.
The lights cast a shadow, a soft glimmer which
lit up the soft green grass on the pitch.

Just as the clock gave out its twelfth chime
An old man appeared, as if frozen in time.
He gazed at the tunnel, then broke out in voice
"ITS TIME TO BEGIN. let's HAVE YOU MY BOYS"

Out from the tunnel appeared a lone figure
Same as in life, only infinitely bigger
The old man called out as he slowly drew near
"good evening Duncan, are the rest of you here"

The figure broke out in wide open smile
"Good Evening Sir Matt, it has been a long while
The rest are all coming, they'll be here soon, "
As seven more shadows were cast by the moon.

Whelan and Bent, Pegg, Taylor and Byrne,
Jones, and Colman, they came out in turn.
He greeted each one, just by calling their name
then proudly announced "do you fancy a game"

They took to the pitch, and the still night was broken
By leather on leather, not one word was spoken
They played once again, like they did long before
And imagined the sound of the Old Trafford roar

Edwards called out "come on lads let's pretend
That we've just scored a goal at the old Stretford End"
As they ran to the edge of the pitch by the goal
There in the stands sat a solitary soul.

His eyes were all puffy, his cheeks wet with tears
As his mind wandered back to those wonderful years
"come down and join us" they cried all as one
"yes come down and join them" said Matt "go on son"

The lonely man stood and with much pain he said
"I'm afraid I can't play with you, you are all dead.
You are all ghosts, and I am alive
That was the price that I paid to survive"

My role was to go on, inspire the team
And finally realise Matt Busbys dream
To tell of your greatness, and as I get older
To burden the weight of your life on my shoulders. "

The ghost of Sir Matt then raised up his head
Giving out a loud groan, he finally said
"Bobby, You survived, that much is true
But we wouldn't be here if it were not for you

For you are the one who has kept us alive
That was the reason you had to survive
If you were with us, all we have would be gone
And the game that we play could no longer go on

If you can't understand why it happened this way
Then come here and watch when United play
They sing about us, they remember us all
We live and we breathe with each kick of the ball

The legends that live here, Robson and Best,
Cantona, Law, Giggs, Scholes and the rest
They are us, we are them, we are all here as one
And that is the reason United goes on

So come down and join us, we're begging you do
You are still one of us, and we're still one of you"
And then Bobbys face rose and he gave them a smile
And he said "I would love to come play for a while"

They played and they played, as they did in the past
Only not quite as skillful, and not quite as fast
And when it was over, and when it was done
They'd defeated Benfica by four goals to one.

Then Sir Matt said "lads, its been fun you know
But It's now Christmas day, and we really must go"
They walked to the front of the stadium and turned
And Sir Bobby said "there is something I've learned"

"You did not die, on that February night
You're still here with us, as you're with me tonight
And you'll live on forever as long as we play
As the ghosts disappeared down Sir Matt Busby way.

I wrote that.. As in, I am the actual author of that poem.
 

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Today markes the 60th years since United reaturned to action after the Munich Air disaster.

the famous match day program:
http://i1059. photobucket.com/albums/t425/Dunsbyowl/Man%20Utd%201958/8326557820_8798d69734_b_zpsdctlyzbn.jpg