If we could get him for the same deal Everton got Rooney for I guess it would be ok for a stop gap 4th place season.
Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed
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I wonder how we signed...
Martial
Baily
Lindelof
Mikhi
Shaw
Herrera...
Without scouts? We should never have signed, Romero, Blind, Zlatan, Lukaku, Pogba etc as our previous managers had worked with these players, or they were at the club one time.
Herrera was scouted by Fergie a lot since his role in sending us out of uel in 2012 . and Shaw was pretty much known all over england.
For 30 - 35 m it would be a Win win Deal. I rate him better than dier for big ucl games in tight spaces .
My point being, scouting has been done. Whoever the scout, they have been scouting dome on these players.
Scouting isn't only about the players playing ability, it's about his attitude, life style, his mentality etc...
More like the delusion surrounding last season for him at Chelsea is strong on here. So strong that it is believed a take no prisoners, no nonsense task master like Conte used a 'passenger' as first choice all season, keeping an inform Fabregas on the bench all season long, to win him a league title.
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Don't forget he was terrible in at Old Trafford and in the FA Cup Final as well so the opinion of the whole season is based on those 2 games.
Not a passenger, but his performances have declined year on year over the past three years, and he was clearly not in the top 6-7 players in that Chelsea team last season. No cause for concern?
£35M for a player past his best is not a good deal, and I don't think tight spaces will ever do a tanker like Matic any favours.
Sisoko went for 30 m. And sigurdson is quoted 45 and he might even move. It'll be a good deal. Dont care too much about the fee if the player decent. These are crazy times.
None of those players are worth anywhere near the money quoted, I'd rather we stepped away from the stupid fees for mediocre players.
We need to Fix certain things in our team if we have to give a decisive shot at the title.
Matic doesn't fix anything though, he's just another lumbering pair of legs for Herrera to do all the running for, and the title challenge won't happen regardless as the attack is well off being good enough right now.
Well it worked for Chelsea didn't it.
Well if they sell us Costa, Hazard and Kante as well I a sure it will work for us.
A better transition = more space = more goals = better attack. We are fine as long as we score 1 or 2 goals and dominate the midfeild and be resolute defensively.
We can dominate any midfeild with proper balance and matic is closest available and upgrade on fellani.
We have Herrara and Lukaku so we are just a player short really.
We have lukaku and herrera. Martial wil be a good player again.
Would he able to replicate his 13/14 form or is that highly unlikely?
This transition isn't going to magically happen nor is it going to be aided by a DM that can barely get turned around, which also makes any midifield dominating hard to do as Matic vs the press is a liability.
Costa and Hazard are comfortably better than any attackers we currently have IMO.
Hazard 's in hererra 's pocket
, Till we buy griezmann we'l be equal.Yeah, I'm being a bit harsh on Matic to be honest, I'd just prefer a quicker, younger option but obviously it's slim pickings out there.
I think this will happen by the weekend, personally. I'll def get behind him and stuff, but it just doesn't fill me with much enthusiasm.
Define quick? I don't remember Toni Kroos and Sergi being that fast. Infact except for Spurs who are these quick midfielders.
No idea - I'm not a paid football scout. They're out there, guaranteed. Other teams seem to find them, albeit those other teams are in a different position to us - ie - they can afford to take a gamble on a relative unknown, whereas we're under too much pressure to take that sort of chance, which I understand.
Put it this way, Matic is one of the slowest CM's I've seen in recent memory and therefore it's a given there are many much quicker players out there.
I don't think he's a bad player by any means though, just for the record.
Thank god your not a scout. He might be Fellaini like in size but he's not Fellaini like in pace. I think it's just lazy opinions when it comes to Matic. I'm not saying he is quick but he's quick enough for CM.
Prosinečki wasn't quick at all and he was a great player.
I'm not a scout, just to add.
I'm not a scout, just to add.
I strongly disagree about him not being in their top 6 last year. Without the balance he and Kante provided there is no way they'd have won the league. No one will convince me that the Matic Chelsea had last season would add no value what so ever to United. That particular line of thought does not compute in my head. Especially when an obviously declining Carrick who is an inferior player than last seasons Matic, was repeatedly crucial for us time and again on his day. Chelsea will rue the day they ever make the mistake of selling Matic to us. Matic even without improving on last seasomln's form will give us a faster version of what Carrick at 36 offers us: a calm resasduromg defensive presence protecting our defence and recycling possession, not to mention that added physical presence and bite he brings defensively, and above all, the fact he'd let Pogba and Herrera off the leash to bully teams in the final third of the field.
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Kante, Hazard, Azpilicueta, Luiz, Costa, Cahill and Alonso were all more important than and played better than Matic last season. Courtois, Moses and Pedro about the same.
Remember his debut against City? He didn't just nullify Toure he ran all over him. Bullied him. Shame he's lost that mobility or will to play like that now and looks like more of a 'sitter' just spraying the call around and making the odd interception.
For me there is no way Cahill had a more crucial role to Chelsea last season than Matic. Neither did Courtois. I don't believe Pedro had a superior season either. The key players to Chelsea win IMO were Azpicuelta, Luiz, Moses and Alonso in defence, Costa and Hazard up top. And the 3 center midfielders Kante, Matic and Fabregas. And for me Kante, Hazard, Costa, Luiz, Matic, Moses & Alonso (together) plus Fabregas were their top 7 crucial performers last season. Those 7 IMO determined their title win.
Cahill was very important and consistent, was named in the PFA team of the year. Matic did not have a good season. If he came here for 40m and had the same kind of season it would not be a significant upgrade on what we have and he would be a failure. At very least we would have to hope he can still play like he did 3 years ago.
For me Alonso and Luiz made Cahill look good. Before and after Conte's tactical switch he was comfortably Chelsea's weakest defender.
After Barca made Carrick look like an OAP earlier today, is it right to get Matic who isnt exactly fast himself?
Matic had about 10 assists in the league last year and has consistently covered a lot of ground in central midfield. He can pick a pass and move around well enough. He would bring the necessary balance to Pogba and Herrera in a midfield 3.
That isn't a fair comparison. Carrick is s 36 year old on his last legs. Matic is neither as slow nor as immobile as he.
I think too many on here are conflating Chelsea's need to upgrade their players to suit their playing system better, with the players being replaced being useless. Conte tends to like mobile, dynamic players for his 3-4-3. Hence attempting to add the dynamism and legs of Bakayoko, and the back from loan Pasalic in place of Matic, plus squad men like Challobah and Loftus Cheek, kinda makes tactical sense. But just because a Matic suits their needs less, doesn't mean that is the case for other teams with different needs.
Mourinho as compared to a Conte prefers a rather regimented structure. His midfield and attack tends to have its players sticking to their roles and spheres of play, with them then being given freedom in those areas, rather than freedom to roam. Thus, for a side like United under a Mourinho, were dynamism and speed is not a requirement in center midfield for the holding role, but tactical understanding, positioning and ball recycling and retention is essential, a player of Matic's type and skill set would thrive. Especially when paired with more dynamic partners like a Herrera and a Pogba. To illustrate this further, Bakayoko for example is the perfect fit for Conte's preffered structure of play, but under Mourinho, employed in a Carrick role, he'd be an utter liability.
Mourinho as compared to a Conte prefers a rather regimented structure. His midfield and attack tends to have its players sticking to their roles and spheres of play, with them then being given freedom in those areas, rather than freedom to roam. Thus, for a side like United under a Mourinho, were dynamism and speed is not a requirement in center midfield for the holding role, but tactical understanding, positioning and ball recycling and retention is essential, a player of Matic's type and skill set would thrive. Especially when paired with more dynamic partners like a Herrera and a Pogba. To illustrate this further, Bakayoko for example is the perfect fit for Conte's preffered structure of play, but under Mourinho, employed in a Carrick role, he'd be an utter liability.
Yes. After seeing Carrick struggle again in a game like this a player like Matic that can finally fill his boots is even more important
After Carricks performance today I think we definately need a more mobile CDM and don't think Matic is enough of an improvement.
Matic isn't the best DMF to stand against Barca attack either but at the same time, he would have been better than Carrick by a mile. I don't want to see Carrick this season except in the cup games tbh.
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Really hope we avoid a lumbering sack of shit like Matic but I guess the aim is to make Tony Pulis jealous of all our big sweaty men...
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