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Ten Hag will be fine and (if he's given enough control) he'll sort out the issues and bring it his 2/3 players who establish a more serious dressing room. Fans will be fine next season as they'll be fully behind him, some may wish to wallow in never ending depressive internet threads and moan about everything, but next season is a pretty much entire new start. We'll have a brand new management team and a lot of new coaches and a few new players. I'm very much looking forward to it.Ten Hag isn't just inheriting a broken squad. He's inheriting a jaded fanbase too.
Same, I still watch though, but definitely starting to wonder if the hassle of watching every game is worth it currently.. the worst part is, I barely remember any of the games, because they’re mostly the same reprieve zombie like football especially the past few seasons.I agree with the OP. For literally decades, I didn’t miss watching a game basically. As things turned bad, the habit sustained me and I watched anyway. This last month, I’ve usually found something more worthwhile to do with my time.
I'm interested to learn what the strategy is to kick the Glazers out? Wave some green and gold scarves around and then get five people to walk out of the stadium in protest seems to be the usual strategy.One day we'll be free from the Glazers; keep the faith. It will require a sustained, collective effort from the fanbase to get them out. We all know what utter scumbags the Glazer family are. It's now time to force change.
Nah man, it's RAWKish, for a few months now actually.How so? There are no “we will win the league next year” or “Maguire is better than van dijik” threads. If anything, this board is more grounded than rawk.
Yes the pessimism is off the charts but the club’s players, coaching and the board have given the fans little cause for optimism, not just this year but for close to a decade.
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That bloody racehorse dispute has a lot to answer for right now doesn't itWonder how Fergie feels about him selling out to the Glazers now
Club is a joke right now
Ridiculous thing to say, like telling a person with mental health issues to pull themselves together.Oh you bunch of drama queens.
We're a bit down.
It's a cycle of football.
A cycle of life.
We will rise.
Seriously?!Ridiculous thing to say, like telling a person with mental health issues to pull themselves together.
One hundred per cent. We need to re-discover our identity, but that's much easier said than done. The owners aren't football fans, let alone United fans. Worse than that, they haven't even tried to buy into the traditions of the club; they don't care about anything beyond revenue, taking hundred of millions out of the club. We knew this from the day they arrived, of course, but we still had Fergie to uphold standards on and off the pitch. In the subsequent years everything has been allowed to fall into decline - even the state of the stadium is symptomatic of what's happened. The malaise has now even spread to the players: multi-millionaires who don't give a toss, more concerned about their lifestyle and public profiles.I agree with Fortune here. To be successful again we need to be united and bring back the siege mentality that we used to have under SAF. That has been missing for the last nine years.
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Nobody will stop supporting. What's more, this goes way beyond form.I mean let's be slightly realistic here. We were in the champions League this year, and we are still in the top 6. Sounds very fairweather to stop supporting, we will be back, question is how long.
Yeah for some people it means a lotSeriously?!
You're pulling the "mental health" comparison with supporting a football club?
To use a Manchester analogy, I've gone full Joy Division and way past morose.I think one or two need to get a grip, quite frankly. This is football, over extended cycles you can have really poor sides. Poor decisions leading to poor outcomes and it starts to perpetuate itself, and then you have the double whammy of your rivals being exceptionally good which pulls them further away.
The fans become demoralised, the players already are demoralised or are the wrong types to begin with leaving you in a depressive hole. It becomes a very difficult ship to turn a club. Winning clubs tend to keep doing well until something big changes, and struggling clubs tend to struggle.
We've been poor in the past, Liverpool know better than any set of fans how painful periods after sustained success can be. You have to accept it, yes we should demand more but some people have entered a perpetually morose state and to be honest if you don't find enjoyment in it, do something else. It is fairly clear the club are now trying things so you either support the club as it rebuilds with some kind of positivity or you become part of the problem.
We could bring prime Maradona into this club and the club would ruin him a few months later. I don’t think it’s about players and managers anymore. As long as the club is being run for the Glazers to take dividends out of it, it won’t matter who we sign and who we sell.It wont get much better next season, unless we change half the squad
Everything is rotten, everything - the owners, the board, the players. Only the fans remain from our once great club. God help Erik Ten Hag, because this is beyond terrible. I'm a fourth generation Red and attended my first game in 1986; I can honestly say this is the most disheartened I have ever been. My dad attended his first game in 1964 and says the same. The club is hollowed out, devoid of any passion or direction. I fear for the future; we are at a fork in the road now: either we sort ourselves out very soon or we just fade away for many years. It isn't the club I grew up with; we seem to be just an income stream for absentee and reviled owners, without a plan and without a care. I'm at a loss, there is no sense of solidarity or belief any more.
I didn't say it doesn't.Yeah for some people it means a lot
Given your views on Harry Maguire, I think that tells us how much value we should place on your wider opinions.Ten Hag will be fine and (if he's given enough control) he'll sort out the issues and bring it his 2/3 players who establish a more serious dressing room. Fans will be fine next season as they'll be fully behind him, some may wish to wallow in never ending depressive internet threads and moan about everything, but next season is a pretty much entire new start. We'll have a brand new management team and a lot of new coaches and a few new players. I'm very much looking forward to it.
I think you make a good point. It's difficult to relate to half a million per week players who are like movie stars. Of course things change, but money is everything now; that's just the game is at the elite level. I had great sympathy for the FC United guys, and I wouldn't criticise them, but it wasn't for me. No doubt they will now say they told us so back in 2005; that it was going to end up this way, the soul of the club being killed. Perhaps they were right and I buried my head in the sand.I feel like this about football in general really. Ill always support United but recently the missus and I have been going to watch our local team. Now, the standard is really shite but there’s an honesty there. There’s players giving their all. And in winter there’s nowt like standing on a freezing terrace with a bovril from the crappy burger van. I used to love going to watch United in the 80s and even though they were not at the top it was a magical experience. All that’s gone now.
And showed you how wrong you were?I loved the club until Rangnick joined
He ruined everything, tarnished what greats like Moyes and Van Gaal builtAnd showed you how wrong you were?
I actually think we can still be successful with the Glazers at the helm. Money will not be an issue, so providing that we have a world class manager and our new recruitment team make the correct decisions, then surely we can succeed. Is this delusional?We could bring prime Maradona into this club and the club would ruin him a few months later. I don’t think it’s about players and managers anymore. As long as the club is being run for the Glazers to take dividends out of it, it won’t matter who we sign and who we sell.
It isn't just about trophies, is it? Maybe it is, but there are far more problems at United than results. Of course, success on the pitch makes a world of difference; it can cover the cracks, but success is far more difficult when a club is dysfunctional, as we are witnessing now.I actually think we can still be successful with the Glazers at the helm. Money will not be an issue, so providing that we have a world class manager and our new recruitment team make the correct decisions, then surely we can succeed. Is this delusional?
Woodward was the problem, rather than the Glazers. Yes they’re parasites and yes they’re taking money out of the club etc etc, but investment hasn’t really been the problem, rather the personnel they hired to run the club. FSG are cut from the exact same cloth.I actually think we can still be successful with the Glazers at the helm. Money will not be an issue, so providing that we have a world class manager and our new recruitment team make the correct decisions, then surely we can succeed. Is this delusional?
I think after a season where you've lost 4-1 to Watford and 4-0 to Brighton people have plenty of reasons to be dramatic.Oh you bunch of drama queens.
We're a bit down.
It's a cycle of football.
A cycle of life.
We will rise.
I wish our problems could be solved so easily, but we need fundamental change in all aspects of the club, which is far easier said than done.It'll pass soon enough. A couple new starting midfielders is the first step By the start of the 23/24 season the team will be unrecognizable from what we had this year.
We won't give up on them, but we need to see big changes. Number one, we need people running the club and playing for the club who actually give a shit about the club and the fans.We can't give up on United.
Ted Lasso isn't much of an authority on football but he is right about the one thing that above all is important to be right about -- it's the hope that keeps you alive.
Oh yeah, definitely. In a perfect world we would be free from the Glazers, but I don't think that our results on the pitch need to necessarily be a reflection of our owners. Providing that funds are given in addition to having a streamlined, competent, recruitment team and a top class manager.It isn't just about trophies, is it? Maybe it is, but there are far more problems at United than results. Of course, success on the pitch makes a world of difference; it can cover the cracks, but success is far more difficult when a club is dysfunctional, as we are witnessing now.
Yeah, this is precisely my thinking.Woodward was the problem, rather than the Glazers. Yes they’re parasites and yes they’re taking money out of the club etc etc, but investment hasn’t really been the problem, rather the personnel they hired to run the club. FSG are cut from the exact same cloth.
They're all millionaires by the time they're 20 and will be surrounded by flunkies and hangers on. They need strong leadership and they're not getting any.The younger players that came up from our academy etc should be ashamed and need to go watch some documentaries on United and Robson and Charlton and Ferguson.
Who would have imagined those twin towers of glory could be toppled so easily?He ruined everything, tarnished what greats like Moyes and Van Gaal built
A common error around here. Not every capitalist has the same strategy. Woodward put commerce before football. And now we see the result.Woodward was the problem, rather than the Glazers. Yes they’re parasites and yes they’re taking money out of the club etc etc, but investment hasn’t really been the problem, rather the personnel they hired to run the club. FSG are cut from the exact same cloth.