We'll probably knock down the Stretford End and quadrants whilst continuing playing at OT during construction.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford
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We'll probably knock down the Stretford End and quadrants whilst continuing playing at OT during construction.
Maybe but seeing the size of the Spurs place makes me think even that might not be doable
Ive got no idea what’ll happen but we own 40 acres in that area so plenty of room. The issue is the type of land we own and what buildings are already on it. There’s a couple of spots where if we just had a little more, it’d be an option… still could be with a bit of clever thinking… the recent stories about redevelopment include Peel, who are hugely experienced at this type of thing and finding solutions.
As @matherto has said, a rotation is an option but personally, I’m leaning towards a fully new one. Long term planning.
A la Spurs? The shaping of our owned land (how it curves inwards) does look like that might be an option … shame we don’t own another few acres a bit further back from the Stratford End.
I didn't know about Peel. They are massive and adept at managing local authorities too. They would want a big fat profit but would also get things done.
With Andy Burnham on board with the area regeneration project, surely the 'available land for the stadium' issue disappears?
That's what I've been thinking when seeing some of the whingeing about daring to contemplate touching where they've been going for numerous years. It's not as if we've only ever played in Old Trafford in that stadium. It's location and ground number three we have been able to enjoy. If folk can't handle moving a few metres, or should that be yards, over from the existing ground then I'd hate to think the reaction to leaving the ground where the historical trophy count started and they had to traipse miles from one side of the city to the other at a time when transport wasn't exactly at today's standards.
Also seeing Trigger's Broom/Ship of Theseus mentions reminds me of the old Lone Ranger Theme/William Tell Overture situation where whichever you referenced spoke volumes.
They are and they would. John Whittaker is no mug but neither is Ratcliffe… there‘ll be some form of JV arranged (if all goes ahead), but given we own the land, we’re in a decent negotiating position.
Loads about the proposal on the Internet, one link below. You can see if we could buy some of the land a couple of hundred of yards behind the Stratford End (looks like container storage?), that and what we own could be an option.
https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/ma...-area-around-manchester-uniteds-old-trafford/
Ground share with Salford City. Why Gazza is getting on board.
I don't see the big deal of building a new stadium. Most sports teams do it. Juventus did it, Arsenal, Everton.That's what I've been thinking when seeing some of the whingeing about daring to contemplate touching where they've been going for numerous years. It's not as if we've only ever played in Old Trafford in that stadium. It's location and ground number three we have been able to enjoy. If folk can't handle moving a few metres, or should that be yards, over from the existing ground then I'd hate to think the reaction to leaving the ground where the historical trophy count started and they had to traipse miles from one side of the city to the other at a time when transport wasn't exactly at today's standards.
Also seeing Trigger's Broom/Ship of Theseus mentions reminds me of the old Lone Ranger Theme/William Tell Overture situation where whichever you referenced spoke volumes.
I hate the idea of a new stadium but I am also realistic and it makes so much more sense to play at OT while you are building a 100k state of the art stadium that you can move into and close off the old one when they are done. They will do it right and bring homage to OT in the new one no doubt. But my inner kid who went there first 40 years ago screams no. But SJR is making all the right noises and him being 71 might actually work in our favour with him wanting to enjoy the fruits of his investment and work before he has to pack it in.
Dare I say I hope we do what Liverpool have done with Anfield and redevelop OT, rather than build a whole new stadium. Best of both worlds in keeping the iconic venue, but revamping it to ensure it's modern and fit for purpose.
I went to Tottenham's new stadium the other week and it was very impressive it must be said, but lacked the atmosphere of OT - it could just be because their fans aren't as good as ours!
I went to Tottenham's new stadium the other week and it was very impressive it must be said, but lacked the atmosphere of OT - it could just be because their fans aren't as good as ours!
I gave you a pass first time but this time I feel obliged to correct, it's Stretford End
New stadiums I believe are ruining atmospheres, look at West Ham spur Southampton arsenal used to have great atmospheres. Moves grounds maybe the “ultras or louder attendees” are all spread around etc. seems like something been sucked out of them a little.
I try to get 4+ games a season would be at more if funds allowed it with travel prices etc from ireland going up and up. and have been going since I was 3, I still get butterflies travelling to the ground seeing the stadium in skyline, walking through the tunnel etc. the ground is not the same stadium I first visited in 1992 it has changed and been renovated so much but the feelings and the buzz is the same. A brand new stadium I think can kill the connections and feelings.
I try to get 4+ games a season would be at more if funds allowed it with travel prices etc from ireland going up and up. and have been going since I was 3, I still get butterflies travelling to the ground seeing the stadium in skyline, walking through the tunnel etc. the ground is not the same stadium I first visited in 1992 it has changed and been renovated so much but the feelings and the buzz is the same. A brand new stadium I think can kill the connections and feelings.
Didn’t notice and just typed it in this reply and my IPad is selecting the middle option of three … I type Stretford (had to overrule IPad) and it puts it as Stratford. Now I’ve over ruled it once, it now leaves it alone. CheersI gave you a pass first time but this time I feel obliged to correct, it's Stretford End
I always knew Apple were a bunch of heathens.Didn’t notice and just typed it in this reply and my IPad is selecting the middle option of three … I type Stretford (had to overrule IPad) and it puts it as Stratford. Now I’ve over ruled it once, it now leaves it alone. Cheers
Bunch of winkers… see, it’s doing it again!
Why is he asking for public money for new stadium?
We did do that, 25 years ago. We now have reached a different stage though where more expansion and refurbishment will not add up financially and building a new stadium a few hundred metres away will probably be the answer.
Well City did get the council house so only fair if we get a hand out !
But ye did seem a bit much to expect that - financing a new stadium is going to be his biggest challenge
City do pay for the privilege though
He’s not, he’s asking them to cough up for the surrounding areas and infrastructure, tram stops, public realm areas, retail outlets, etc, alongside the regeneration of the Trafford Park area master plan
He seems to want to build a new ‘national stadium’ to host England/Cup Finals/concerts etc, and also there is a regeneration plan for the surrounding area so I guess he is chancing his hand to see if he can get a discount on the bill!
What interview is that in?
Given the area name would the new stadium if built behind OT just be called Trafford Park? Seems kinda obvious and not as dumb as ‘New Trafford’.
Would most local Utd fans be happy with the new stadium being seen as a Wembley for the north?
Ye sure why not - making Northern football fans trek to London for everything is unnecessary, FA Cup semis used to be all around the country and England should move around the country too
If a new ground is to be built the likelihood is united would need a temporary home due to safety etc.
Doubt city would be happy sub letting there ground and all other grounds close by are too small.
Doubt city would be happy sub letting there ground and all other grounds close by are too small.
The FA's contract for semis at Wembley ends in 2027 so the Ralph Milne Thunderdome should be available not too long after that.
Trafford Park is an industrial park, Old Trafford is the area that contains, amongst other things, the industrial park, the cricket ground, 1000,s of houses, retail parks and office blocks
Names?
INEOS SportsComplex at New Trafford. "The INEOS"
INEOS SportsComplex at New Trafford. "The INEOS"
There's only 2 stadiums in England that woudn't be 'too small' and both are 200 miles away
The Rat Den.Names?
INEOS SportsComplex at New Trafford. "The INEOS"
or
The INspec Ethylene Oxide and Specialities Stadium (aka the "New Old Trafford")
Wharfside ArenaNames?
INEOS SportsComplex at New Trafford. "The INEOS"
Rolls off the tongue nicely and sounds modern, trendy, and forward-thinking
The regeneration around Wembley since the new stadium was built is great, so yes. As Ratcliffe says, there is a lack of investment in the North.
I think when he said "Wembley" of the North, i think he means a large capacity stadium that can serve as an area for finals/national games etc. Not a copy and paste of Wembley...
Some of the journo's have said that they want a single tier, similar to what Spurs/Dortmund have.
The A Team did it. Scooby Doo did it. The ghostbusters did it
I love seeing cup semis at neutral grounds too. Old Trafford or Villa Park. Looks brilliant I think
Good to see Jim's preference is for a new stadium.
He wants the Wembley of the North so sounds like he will push for 80-90k seats.