ODI Auction Draft QF#1 - Crappy vs Mani

Who will win over a a 3 match series?


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Please adjudicate as to which team will win over a 3 match series with a match each on following pitches -

#1 Flat track - Paradise for batsmen, no assistance to either fast or slow bowlers.
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.

Team Crappy

#1 Flat Pitch /
#2 Good batting pitch
with assistance for seamers/pacers
#5 Good bowling pitch for spinners
  1. Sachin Tendulkar
  2. Mark Waugh
  3. Brian Lara
  4. Martin Crowe (*)
  5. Jos Butler (+)
  6. JP Duminy
  7. Jimmy Neesham
  8. Kagiso Rabada
  9. Saqlain Mushtaq
  10. Dale Steyn
  11. Curtly Ambrose
  1. Sachin Tendulkar
  2. Mark Waugh
  3. Brian Lara
  4. Martin Crowe (*)
  5. Jos Butler (+)
  6. JP Duminy
  7. Jimmy Neesham
  8. Kagiso Rabada
  9. Abdul Qadir
  10. Saqlain Mushtaq
  11. Dale Steyn
* Qadir comes in for Ambrose.

Team Mani

1.S.JAYASURYA
2.G.GAMBHIR
3.D.JONES
4.IMRAN KHAN
5.MS. DHONI (Wk) (C)
6.A.SYMONDS
7.S.RAINA
8.S.WARNE
9.M.MARSHALL
10.S.BOND
11.M.MORKEL
 
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Team Crappy




Batting:

- Opening pair is the same one world 11 would have had in 90s. Sachin is pretty much the undisputed GOAT of ODI cricket. Mark Waugh the best batsmen for Oz team in 90s in ODIs. Both of them are capable of playing big innings and win the match for the team.

- Brian Lara does not need any introduction. He was to Windies team what Sachin was for Indian one in 90s. With Lara at 3, I have 3 players up top who can play a big innings to anchor the match from batting point of view. Martin Crowe was a super ODI player who proved himself in 92 world cup where he got man of the series.

- Jos Butler is perhaps the best finisher and middle/lower order enforcer in play right now. The type if innings he has played for innings at no.5 or no.6 defies belief. He is yet another match winner (4th) in the batting line up. Following him are pair of Duminy and Neesham. Both of them suited well for the role of no.6 and no.7 batsmen here. Neesham especially is capable of accelerating at the end if required. Cummins, Qadir and Rabada is not an especially strong lower order but each of them is capable of sticking around to hold an end to support a batsmen.


Bowling -

- Pace attack is solid as they come - Ambrose, Steyn and Rabada. Steyn can attack and make an impact on any pitch while Ambrose will inject fear as usual on opposition ranks. Even on good batting wickets he is unlikely to leak runs. Rabada is the current go to bowler for SA and used to bowling in tight situations in batsmen friendly conditions.

- Saqlain, a contender for the best ODI spinner of all time adds further strength to the side. Qadir will give him support on spin friendly wicket.

- Neesham is in the side as an all rounder and provides the fourth pace bowling option. Over all the team has 8 solid bowling options. On good batting wickets, variety and options is a must to make up for any of regulating bowler having an off day.

Match Thoughts

- On Flat wicket I don't see any other result that a comprehensive win for my side. Two from my top 3 are primed to take away the match in those conditions with Butler coming in and exploding later.

- On spin friendly wicket his biggest weapon Shane Warne will come up against the player who hammered him the most in ODIs.

Sachin vs Warne


Bowler summary for 17 ODIs where Warne faced Sachin

Sachin vs SK Warne1994-2001ODIs: 17Dismissals: 1Matches/Dismissals: 17.00Average: 100.00

... Sachin averages 58.7 in these 17 matches.

On the other hand Saqlain with Qadir will be too much for his team to handle on spin friendly wicket.

- Same story as above on pitch that favours batting with some assistance for pace.

Team Mani


1.Opening batsmen's (S.Jayasurya / G.Gambhir )


This team got the complimentary opening partnership with ( S.Jayasurya & G.Gambhir ) Sanath would be more attacking while Gambhir would provide the support Jayasurya requires.Notable thing about these two openers is that they figured in the WC winning squad who had made tremoundous contributed to their success in the WC leading from the front.

2.MIddle and lower middle order ( D.Jones / Imran Khan / MS.Dhoni /A.Symonds / S.Raina )

Middle order is well suited to grind out those middle over and provide stability in case in case of any early wickets at the same time score some quick runs In death overs.All 5 got perfect nerve to pace the innings in such a way to chase it while batting second or put together a mammoth total when batting first.A.Symonds/ S.Raina coming at 6 & 7 shows the depth in the batting order, both these players are hard hitter of cricket ball and can clear boundaries at ease.Dhoni /Symonds /S.Raina all three with the strike rate close to 100 is arguable the best LMO combination you can see in this draft.

3.Bowling : 5 Premium bowlers + Two part timers.

( M.Marshall / Imran Khan / S.Warne / S.Bond / M.Morkel ) + S.Jayasurya & A.Symonds


Team will be feilded with 5 bowlers, led by M.Marshall & Imran Khan supported by S.Bond and M.Morkel all four can swing the ball either ways which would be difficult to get away in those early overs,their pace would trouble any top batsmen these bowlers can bowl those Yorkers or slow balls at will during end overs which would be difficult to dislodge. Middle overs will be handled by S.Warne, (best spin bowler the world had ever seen) will help in providing the team with his usual breaks in those middle overs which that team requires also would be supported by A.Symonds and S.Jayasurya.
Team is well balanced with pacers and spinners (S.Warne) along with part time bowlers and remains confident of bowling in any type of pitches, team would remains same for all three pitches.

4.MS.Dhoni -Captain / WK

Team marshalled by more efficient captain MS.Dhoni, he's not just the explosive batsmen, he improves batsmen's around him gives them much needed confident, which obviously translates to much better batting side while team decides to chase.Staying behind wickets helps him in set perfect fielding.Man had led country to two World Cup success.

5. Leaders in team: ( Jayasurya / Imran Khan / MS.Dhoni / S.Warne ) who will be valuable to the team in team of assisting for successful chase as well their inputs during team in fielding which can't be matched by any teams in this draft.



World Cup winners in the squad

1.S.Jayasurya - (Player of the tournament 1996 WC)

2.G.Gambhir - (Winner of WC 2011) Crucial 90 in final gave perfect platform to chase.

3.Imran Khan- ( Lead Pakistan to their first World Cup, contributed with both bat and ball)

4.MS.Dhoni -Winner of 2011 WC, captains knock in final coming lower down the order.

5.A.Symonds - Part of two World Cup winning squad (2003 & 2007) contributed with both bat and ball.

4.S.Warne- Winner of 1999 WC, perfect bowling finger in SF and Final.
 

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Surprised to see Ambrose missing on other pitch
 

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@Mani why is Imran batting so high? Maybe should swap with Raina, or push Symonds 4
 

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On Flat wicket
Both teams would score enough runs but team, result would be decided with team with over all quality and I can see my team is balanced all round compared to crappy’s with better bowling combination and all round batting from top to bottom.
 

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@Mani why is Imran batting so high? Maybe should swap with Raina, or push Symonds 4
In case of early wickets Imran would be ideal batsmen to stabilise the batting and can joint with Dhoni for latter on slog.Also all three are flexible I mean Imran /Dhoni /Symonds /Raina all capable of playing in any of the four positions.
 

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On Flat wicket
Both teams would score enough runs but team, result would be decided with team with over all quality and I can see my team is balanced all round compared to crappy’s with better bowling combination and all round batting from top to bottom.
Yeah you have the better bowling, just not sure on the order of your batting.
 

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In case of early wickets Imran would be ideal batsmen to stabilise the batting and can joint with Dhoni for latter on slog.Also all three are flexible I mean Imran /Dhoni /Symonds /Raina all capable of playing in any of the four positions.
Raina wasn't really a slogger though, he was a proper bat who could score quickly, i don't see the point in having him so low. Otherwise your team is really good.
 

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Yeah you have the better bowling, just not sure on the order of your batting.
No worries there Imran has batted at those positions before and the notable match is 1992 World Cup final after those to early wickets
 

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Raina wasn't really a slogger though, he was a proper bat who could score quickly, i don't see the point in having him so low. Otherwise your team is really good.
Dhoni/Symonds /Raina coming at the last 15-20 overs would be ideal for those quick runs.Also the left right combination would give bowlers some trouble in those end over pressure situations.Also Imran himself a good hitter of cricket ball,along with Jayasurya or Jones he can score those quick runs if needed.
 

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Raina at 7 seems like waste to me.

Anyway I don't agree that Mani's bowling is clearly better than me. Warne is a better spinner than Saqlain but he is also up against Sachin and that negates his impact quite a bit as has been proven in so many India-Aus encounters. Saqlain himself has an absolutely outstanding record in ODIs, he was lethal in that format and I remember Pakistani captain, Akram was it?, experimenting by bowling him from 30-50 overs because at his peak he was impossible to score off.

Batting wise the top 3 would feast on two batting friendly wickets, my top 4 is also technically superior to make it count on bowling friendly wicket. Lara and Sachin are big names but Mark Waugh was THE batsman for Australia in 90s for quote a while. I remember in 96 WC even though Lara was also there, the talk was about Sachin vs Waugh.

100 he scored against India in 96 WC -
Another 100 in QFs against NZ in a big chase -
His brother may have been better at tests but in ODIs he was clearly Oz's best batsman in ODIs until Pointing started to shine or Bevan started to make more of an impact.
 

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Imran at 4 looks a bit weird but I'm sure he could do fine there. That apart I like the balance of Mani's team, built around Dhoni at 5 with plenty of good bowling options. I don't share the anxiety some have with Raina lower down at 7, I think he'd be fine joining Dhoni or Symonds in the last 10 overs or so to score quick runs.

Crappy on the other hand has that superb 1-5, a 6 and 7 I'm not too excited over but they're fine and I like both bowling line-ups too, though I bet Crappy wishes he could have fitted Ambrose past the OS/NS rule on the third pitch!

I worry Crappy has put too much store on his admittedly great 1-5 to score his runs, whereas Mani has some great bowlers and more quality spread throughout his batting line-up, with his lower middle better equipped to finish than Crappy's. I'm going Mani for now but will be back.
 

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Imran at 4 looks a bit weird but I'm sure he could do fine there. That apart I like the balance of Mani's team, built around Dhoni at 5 with plenty of good bowling options. I don't share the anxiety some have with Raina lower down at 7, I think he'd be fine joining Dhoni or Symonds in the last 10 overs or so to score quick runs.

Crappy on the other hand has that superb 1-5, a 6 and 7 I'm not too excited over but they're fine and I like both bowling line-ups too, though I bet Crappy wishes he could have fitted Ambrose past the OS/NS rule on the third pitch!

I worry Crappy has put too much store on his admittedly great 1-5 to score his runs, whereas Mani has some great bowlers and more quality spread throughout his batting line-up, with his lower middle better equipped to finish than Crappy's. I'm going Mani for now but will be back.
It is always better to have a stronger top order than a lower one in ODIs. You want your best players to get the most balls.
 

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It is always better to have a stronger top order than a lower one in ODIs. You want your best players to get the most balls.
I like your one two and three but who knows some quick early wickets match is gone so it’s always better to spread it even,my batting line up look even from top to bottom,to begin with Jayasurya /Gambhir at top followed by Imran and Jones then comes the arguably best LMO in this draft Dhoni(best ODI finisher) followed by Symonds and Raina.This team is equipped better to deal with uncertainty than yours atm.
 

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Raina at 7 seems like waste to me.

Anyway I don't agree that Mani's bowling is clearly better than me. Warne is a better spinner than Saqlain but he is also up against Sachin and that negates his impact quite a bit as has been proven in so many India-Aus encounters. Saqlain himself has an absolutely outstanding record in ODIs, he was lethal in that format and I remember Pakistani captain, Akram was it?, experimenting by bowling him from 30-50 overs because at his peak he was impossible to score off.

Batting wise the top 3 would feast on two batting friendly wickets, my top 4 is also technically superior to make it count on bowling friendly wicket. Lara and Sachin are big names but Mark Waugh was THE batsman for Australia in 90s for quote a while. I remember in 96 WC even though Lara was also there, the talk was about Sachin vs Waugh.

100 he scored against India in 96 WC -
Another 100 in QFs against NZ in a big chase -
His brother may have been better at tests but in ODIs he was clearly Oz's best batsman in ODIs until Pointing started to shine or Bevan started to make more of an impact.
Nothing like waste in ODI,if Raina gets his chance then he would fire some quick runs if not batsmen above him Dhoni and Symonds capable enough for some quick runs so I don’t agree with waste argument here.
 

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Two very good sides.
I think Crappy will take the game on spin track whereas Mani should take one with some seam assistance. Steyn is one of my favourite players but his ODI career wasn’t per his level. I think his economy is bit on higher side too for a bowler of his ability. Similarly Rabada hasn’t had similar impact in ODIs as in tests.Bond on other hand was top class in ODIs.
Flat track is close one but here I slightly leaned towards Mani believing his bowlers to keep it tighter, relatively. Mostly because of pacers. Warne will be smashed, keep him away from Sachin :lol:.
 

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Sachin is quality Goat pick for Crappy and he's good against most of the bowlers, in draft we speak about a team and the over all quality Crappy's tucked with Sachin and Lara in top 3 places (his strong point) aganist my bowling line up of (Imran/Marshall/Bond/Morkel) where is I got Jayasurya who's is specialist batsmen rewrote the concept of pitch hitting in the early overs which was revolution in the mid 90's also surprised many bowling side who had no answers against his batting.Coming into LMO he got only Buttler who is the only threat I can see from him where as I got Dhoni/Symonds/Raina, I got batsmen who can not only cause damage in those early overs but also at the end over.
Also I don't rate Duminy / Neesham much here they can't be reliable in those chasing situations that too coming up against Imran/ Bond in the death overs wouldn't be that easy.
 

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Sachin is quality Goat pick for Crappy and he's good against most of the bowlers, in draft we speak about a team and the over all quality Crappy's tucked with Sachin and Lara in top 3 places (his strong point) aganist my bowling line up of (Imran/Marshall/Bond/Morkel) where is I got Jayasurya who's is specialist batsmen rewrote the concept of pitch hitting in the early overs which was revolution in the mid 90's also surprised many bowling side who had no answers against his batting.Coming into LMO he got only Buttler who is the only threat I can see from him where as I got Dhoni/Symonds/Raina, I got batsmen who can not only cause damage in those early overs but also at the end over.
Also I don't rate Duminy / Neesham much here they can't be reliable in those chasing situations that too coming up against Imran/ Bond in the death overs wouldn't be that easy.
Are you trying to argue that Jayasuriya will have more impact here than Sachin? Or even Lara? That's crazy talk. Current Indian ODI side with a strong top 3 has shown that how important same is. Raina is no better than Duminy, both fail in same ball park. I would also rather have Neesham at 7 than Raina since former is a big hitter.
 

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Are you trying to argue that Jayasuriya will have more impact here than Sachin? Or even Lara? That's crazy talk. Current Indian ODI side with a strong top 3 has shown that how important same is. Raina is no better than Duminy, both fail in same ball park. I would also rather have Neesham at 7 than Raina since former is a big hitter.
I think you would have mis read it, I had agreed Sachin is Goat pick and he will be good against most of the bowlers what I'm saying here Jayasurya impact in the early overs can't be ignored at the same time Raina is far better and reliable batsmen than Duminy also Neesham doesn't deserve place in all time draft.For me Symonds at 6 and Raina at 7 vs Duminy at 6 and Neesham at 7, you judge it which combination would have better impact.
 

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Dhoni in the successful run chases among Indian Batsmen's Dhoni comes 1st and Raina in 3rd behind Kohli.


His place in India’s batting order often under criticism with dwindling returns of the last two years, MS Dhoni was on Friday named Man of the Series for three consecutive half-centuries in a famous 2-1 ODI series win over Australia.

Chasing 231, India accomplished their target with four deliveries left in the game with Dhoni – dropped first ball by Glenn Maxwell at point – scoring an unbeaten 87 from 114 balls, this time from the No 4 spot. Australia found a big moment when Virat Kohli departed for 46, but that was the last success Australia found as Dhoni and Kedar Jadhav put on 121. (ALSO READ: I’m happy to bat at any number: MS Dhoni)

Scores of 55* and now 87* have taken Dhoni’s batting average in successful ODI chases to a phenomenal 103.07, the first Indian batsman to achieve such a number (minimum 25 innings). In 112 Indian ODI wins, Dhoni now has 2783 runs at 103.07 from 73 innings, at a strike-rate of 88.34 with two hundreds and 19 half-centuries. ALSO READ: Dhoni, Jadhav seal ODI series win after Chahal’s six)

HIGHEST BATTING AVERAGE IN SUCCESSFUL ODI CHASES (minimum 25 innings)


PlayerMINORunsHSAvgSR
MS Dhoni11272462783183*103.0788.34
V Kohli817828489918397.9898.23
S Raina7855271865116*66.60101.74
R Sharma7673223149152*61.7487.52
D Karthik37291771564*59.5876.96
The next best is Kohli with a batting average of 97.98 from 81 successful ODI chases, in which he has batted 78 times. No other Indian batsman has an average higher than 66.60


https://www.cricketcountry.com/arti...average-in-successful-odi-chases-soars-792853
 
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Bowling Crappy is a tad weak, but nothing that he can not cover up with his batting. The main difference is at no. 5, 6, and 7. And as good as Buttler is, the support he gets from Duminy and Neesham still pales against Dhenier and Roy supported by Raina.

Crappy should have gone for upgrading one of Duminy or Neesham instead of going for Saqlain. Qadir would still have been good enough to bowl with on any surface.
 

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Nothing like waste in ODI,if Raina gets his chance then he would fire some quick runs if not batsmen above him Dhoni and Symonds capable enough for some quick runs so I don’t agree with waste argument here.
This is the way I see it batting-wise. I'll take a strong 1-7 over a comparatively stronger 1-5 because at this level I'm assuming every player will have a key role to play at some point over a series. In Crappy's case we're talking about a great top order but we're also talking about a great ODI bowling attack they're facing. For me that means Duminy, Neesham and Crappy's long tail will be in play and I don't see them coping with Mani's bowling attack as well as I see Mani's LMO and tail marshalled by Dhoni coping with Crappy's.
 

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Didn't vote because I was unsure of which would be the better side over three games. In think it would have been easier had crappy replaced one of Duminy/Neesham. On Mani's side, top order seemed fragile but felt his bowling and LMO was better
 

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Are you trying to argue that Jayasuriya will have more impact here than Sachin? Or even Lara? That's crazy talk.
I think Tendulkar and Waugh is the best possible opening combination possible in ODIs, but “impact” is a strange choice of word here when talking about Jayasuriya. I mean that guy only knows how to play one way. He’s inconsistent and he can get out early more often than not, but if you don’t get him out he can hurt you more than almost any other batsman. It doesn’t even matter who the bowler is, he’ll take them on and dominate. If he doesn’t get out early he wins the game.