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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I think there is room to be had for debate. I am Ole out, but I enjoy reading some of the more well thought out Ole in posts. I can even see myself agreeing with certain things and changing my perspective a little as I read. At the end of the day, I just want what’s best for my team.
We are all on the same side, which is why it’s so disappointing to see Ole being called an “idiot” by ole outters, or condescending posts from the ole inners, stating that we “just don’t get it”
I want Ole to leave tomorrow, but I still watched until the end last night hoping we got a shot on target. I still had my midweek ruined by the Arsenal game which actually hurt to watch!
I think it would help a lot of us to remember when we are replying that the person we are replying to wants the same thing as us, a successful Manchester United.
We are just debating the best way of getting there.
I don't think so. Rio was indirectly scathing after the Arsenal game. He is not going to come out and say openly anything against Ole but he was very straightforward.
He was called the baby face Assassin because he knew how to pull the trigger on scoring goals not because he was creeping up on defenders and choking them to death with piano wire.
One said its a joke the other is dead serious.Wait someone said that?
Seriously?
For feck’s sake
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They must both be joking.. Yeebus
You see managers flapping about all the time on the touchline. Pep is one of the worst at this.
Think I read once a manager say he's not trying to convey any message as the players don't understand it, just trying to rile them up.
Think I read once a manager say he's not trying to convey any message as the players don't understand it, just trying to rile them up.
I was happy that he got a chance after the toxic time of Jose later on. Things lightened up and here we had Ole with a smile on his face and we playing attractive football. Then we beat PSG against all odds and I thought we have turned a corner. Jose how toxic he was took the team to the 2nd place and won us 2 trophies. I knew we would not win anything last year and may not even make the CL spots. It was alright. But once he got made permanent things started going bad.
He became a populist manager. Just sound bites and no substance. He got rid of Fellaini and Lukaku. Honestly I had no problems of him getting rid either of them but I have problems of him not getting any replacements that are better than them. It is extremely bad management to get rid of assets and not replace them especially if you have to use them.
Then he talked about youth and all that. Anyone with a sense would know that he is speaking out of his backside. Our youth side has not been that great anyway. Only a few players are still good enough to be even on the bench.
What made me more upset was that he could not even get a corner kick right. I mean after almost an year we still have not been able to take more than one corner correctly in a match. I do not think we have ever taken a near post flick corner. Arsenal scored from theirs against us. Ours is always trying to find Maguire at the far post and most of the time the angle he comes in makes it difficult to get his header on target. We do not block their keeper and neither do we block their defenders who are trying to block our headers.
As Rio said lately it seems that we have no plays. Just give the ball to Martial and Rashford and hope they can do something. That is not football. That is lottery.
People should read G. Neville's book about how they beat Barca in the semi final in the CL. He said Carlos Quiroz made them practice their positional play without the ball for hours till they got it right. Without the ball. Do you think we practice anything like this now? We do not seem to know where the nearest United player is on the pitch.
Now we seem to be trying to get Longstaff or Rice or Grealish. Why? If they are world beaters or world class players they will not be playing for Newcastle, WestHam or Villa.
I want United to win and win soon but I cannot see anyway we are going to win with Ole Gunnar as the manager. All this talk of 6 transfer windows is pure moonshine.
Exactly.
Are we all living in some sort of alternate reality or something because it seems like it’s only fans on here or online that want him out. There’s absolutely no suggestion by the media or match goers that he’s under any sort of pressure despite serving up crap consistently. Teflon Ole!
That didn't sound that harsh at all. Only thing he did was maybe defend Rooney who didn't help things being totally past it and too slow up front.
Are you sure about that? I thought he was a hitman back in Norway?
Ole reckons we looked "jaded" versus Wolves last night.
Erm... Yeah mate. That's our style. You are the only person able to change that.
Erm... Yeah mate. That's our style. You are the only person able to change that.
Why do the people that want to keep Ole never talk about his tactics though. It's literally the biggest reason people want him out. Its why he's termed clueless.
Is it that you agree with his tactics and style of play? Is this how you want us to be playing every week? Is this the attacking football you envisioned Ole was talking about when he came in? Is this what you thought we would play like a year after Ole came in?
Is it that you agree with his tactics and style of play? Is this how you want us to be playing every week? Is this the attacking football you envisioned Ole was talking about when he came in? Is this what you thought we would play like a year after Ole came in?
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Some good stuff!! Thanks for that. Bare in mind I was like 16 years old... take of that what you will..I was also the guy that said the majority was crazy to think Ronaldo needed selling after the debacle with Rooney. But not even I knew we would seek Ruud and Ronaldo would turn into a goal scoring machine. But hands up I got that wrong.
As for Ole I can guarantee you I will not be proven wrong. But let me know if I was wrong in another 16 years if the world is kind to me.
Also which players don’t I rate exactly?
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It would be a bit difficult for Ole to convey a touchline message to one of his players anyhow. He would have to get a message to that players "people" who would then have to mull over it before getting back to the player. Match would be over.
I just think people are over complicating this.
My question is even simpler. Taking budgets, players promised nor not promised, clear outs etc Is Ole getting the best out of the squad?
1. No he is underperforming they are better than the league position
2. Yes he is, the league position, performance and results are just about right
3. Yes and more. He's over-achieving and squeezing every bit of performance out of the squad and then some.
I believe it's firmly one.
If it’s anything like most football punditry, they don’t give a feck unless it’s a big game. Last two major games Utd had against City and Spurs were wins so in their eyes he’s doing his job fine at worst. It’s only when the results get really bad when the media decide to take notice. They go off of results and usually don’t see that we play boring, tepid football unless it’s a big game where fortunately the better team play exactly how OGS wants them to play so we do better than usual... and since pundits like fence sitting and not wanting to offend potential mates, they’ll just default to “Yeah he’s going through a blip but they just need to give him time”
Plus Sky’s main football pundit is a good friend of the manager and he is also a failed manager himself, so he’s not going to go in hard because of the friendly connection as well as he got lit up as a manager himself in Spain, plus part of an England team setup that were comfortably eliminated by Iceland of all teams in Euro 2016.
I agree with every word.
I have the same feelings with Ole as I had with David Moyes, never ever in a million years this will work.
Jesus I had no idea he took the squad to the Cliff, I can't say I'm surprised though. I bet all he does is bleat on about how it was back in his day.
This is exactly part of the problem and what we desperately need to move away from, I hear the same from the class of 92 as well. We need to move into the modern age, like all the other clubs seem to be doing.
It’s utterly scary that there’s actually posters in here that are still saying he’s going a great job. Our club is absolutely broken from every aspect at this point. What chance we do we even have with getting Woodward out when our fan base accepts being served shit on a plate week in, week out. Hopeless.
Agreed. I wonder if it’s just shitty reading comprehension or straight-up disingenuity... I keep seeing points like these, where they attribute stuff to Ole that, at best, we’ve no idea about, or at worst, copious of info contradicting their bullshit.
It really gets my goat. It’s not as if it’s too hard to mount a case for Ole-out using readily available facts.
Eh ? That's not true. I don't sound like I'm defending Moyes but we spent the entire summer chasing Fabregas and ended up panic signing Fellaini because of Ed Woodward having a mare of a market. It was also reported that LVG was ultimately the one who stopped the Kroos deal once he was hired. RVP spent most of that season injured and Kagawa, well did he do anything useful once LVG sold him immediately next summer ?
That doesn't mean Moyes was a good manager or deserved more time, I repeat, but it was as a massive rebuilding job as it's now. Winning the title the previous season was good and all but it was the last push of a squad filled of over the hill players and needed to replaced them, pushed up by a genius manager and the best striker in the world back then.
However Moyes didn't get a chance and rightly so because he was totally out of his fecking depth, and so seems to be Ole currently, so I don't find all these talking about "3 years plan" and "long term" logic to keep an out of depth manager because he's playing few youth. The plan can continue without him in charge. He's not by any means essential for it, and he's not doing anything that no other manager can do to persist with this mediocrity. We can do such rebuilding under a better manager, more experienced in it.
The most bizarre thing I find at the minute is fans saying Ole needs 3-4 transfer windows to build the squad he wants. And only then he can be judged.
Why? Moyes, LVG, and Jose we're all judged before having that amount of time. And LVG and Jose were far more successful managers prior to joining Utd and more successful than Ole while at Utd.
I despair at some of our fans these days I really do. They seem happy with mediocrity as long as we play academy players managed by past Utd 'legends'. That is not who Utd are or ever were. It is not 'going back to our roots'. It's accepting shite.
Ole out.
Why? Moyes, LVG, and Jose we're all judged before having that amount of time. And LVG and Jose were far more successful managers prior to joining Utd and more successful than Ole while at Utd.
I despair at some of our fans these days I really do. They seem happy with mediocrity as long as we play academy players managed by past Utd 'legends'. That is not who Utd are or ever were. It is not 'going back to our roots'. It's accepting shite.
Ole out.
People can’t take the blinkers off that he’s a club legend, therefore can’t criticise him no matter how bad he is as a manager.
Why? Because none of those coaches had a longterm plan, they were appointed to be quick-fixes and failed at that. LVG possible the only exception that actually looked to care about longterm plan, but he had retirement planned already.
Ole did not make any superstar name signings, got rid of deadwood, is playing youngest XI week after week in EPL and you can't see difference between that and other managers? If you really think that our current team is better than standings show, I think you need a reality check. I'm not talking about potentials, but on current level, with 23years of average age, with only few players anywhere near/at their prime and absolutely no squad depth.
You also seem to forget that we've been extremely unlucky in several games this season, have been underperforming our xPts and xG (if you have 0 understanding how those work, it might not look as important factor), had our star player out for more than half games with absolutely no squad depth, yet we're still in contention for TOP4 and were 2nd best team in league in December.
Of course knowing how many minutes our main players are playing, if we keep getting injuries and don't get any signings this month, fatigue will catch us just like at the end of last season and we will drop further away, we've already seen how our players looked at last game and it'll only get worse. However that is not Ole's fault, it's fault of previous managers and Ed, that only cared about instant results and didn't invest in long-term, stacking injury-prone deadwood in the squad and leaving Ole/coaches with incredibly hard job.
What a load of nonsense You give this squad to any decent manager and we would perform much better. Now it is the players who are to blame because they do not how to play football in a way we can pass to each other? These are all International players apart from Pereira. They know how to pass to each other. It is the fact that their coach does not know how to get them to play football. It is all get the ball to Martial or Rashford and hope they do something. It is a lottery.
What 3 years or 6 transfer windows he needs? He is trying to get young British players. He is saying this because no world class or potential world class players are going to come to United to play in a mid table team and to be coached by an incompetent manager. Even his ex player Haarland refused to come.
The Liverpool game against Everton should be a big slap in the face with a fish for Ole's supporters. They play their C team and are better against the first Everton team. Just proves what a good manager can do meanwhile we are stuck with this pseudo manager who apparently only needs 5 more transfer windows to win 2 games in a row. Joke.
He will come out with that's how he want us to play, even though he cannot seem to actually make it happen.
A lot of the Ole haters cited Ancelotti as being able to get Everton playing great football with a “style” after two weeks. Look at them now, their “style” is shite, this performance has been embarrassing. Let’s sack Ole and bring in Ancelotti, because it’s more fun playing shit football under an “experienced” manager instead of an inexperienced manager. If anything, this game vindicates then Ole supporters. You can’t polish a turd.
If anybody needs any evidence as to why Ole is not good enough, they only need to look at Liverpool’s performance today. A team of unknowns, and they’re clearly coached well and know exactly what they need to do against Everton. It’s not down to pure luck. The tactics and coaching are there to be seen. Winning against Everton’s strongest 11.
Yet our strongest 11, under Ole, can’t beat the likes of Newcastle, Watford and, wait for it, Everton’s strongest 11 who are currently being schooled by Liverpool’s B team.
I’m sick to the back teeth of the pathetic excuses the Ole In brigade keep regurgitating.
Yet our strongest 11, under Ole, can’t beat the likes of Newcastle, Watford and, wait for it, Everton’s strongest 11 who are currently being schooled by Liverpool’s B team.
I’m sick to the back teeth of the pathetic excuses the Ole In brigade keep regurgitating.
Message to Ole.
Watch Klopp. On his feet the entire time, even with kids out on the field. Not sitting on his arse
Watch Klopp. On his feet the entire time, even with kids out on the field. Not sitting on his arse
Think we all know what the problem is. Well those who know anything about football.
That name calling won’t go down well though. Might want to edit.
First I don't really remember anyone who wanted Carlo to manage us.
Second and more importantly, Ole is an experienced manager. He has been managing for +10 years. This point doesn't count.
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