Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Permanent manager

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  1. Jul 15, 2019

    minh_loc_xoay New Member

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    If his tactics are easily accessible through Google, then we're screwed. Each and every of our opponents would have throughly researched on us and prepared some counters...
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    Every manager has their tactics analyzed. Even Bielsa, who is one of the most complex and demanding manager. Are they all screwed? Let’s be serious here. It just shows Ole knows something about football.
  3. Jul 15, 2019

    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Needs an actual CF.
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    DarkChild™ New Member

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    Word! I am firmly behind Ole. He has us in his heart and mind where it needs to be. I am excited for the new season. I couldn't believe it when we appointed Mourinho especially after LvG. No club will go near Mourinho now...call me salty but am gleeful about that. Couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
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    I am ready for the Boom Bust cycle.
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    Isotope Full Member

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    What are you talking about? Why would we struggle to score goals when we have three 200+k/wk strikers on the book?
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    Isotope Full Member

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    No sane manager (of top club) would be happy with this summer window (so far).
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    Buster15 Full Member

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    Yes exactly. We do and have for some time lacked creativity.
    Our strikers are more often than not isolated up front and that is a real problem as we fail to finish games off when we do take the lead.
    We have pace but not the clever passer who can unlock defences.
  9. Jul 16, 2019

    minh_loc_xoay New Member

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    Didn't we have this with Lukaku already?
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    Shamana Full Member

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    Lukaku has like no technical ability. He's a poacher.
  11. Jul 16, 2019

    United Hobbit Full Member

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    One of the biggest things that worries me about him is does he have a tough streak in him? It's great he looks fun to work with and that's great when we are winning and playing well but does he have that ruthless streak in him to give them a kick up the a*** when we are playing badly, causing us to lose a game? Look at Guardiola and much as I hate him, Klopp. Look at Sir Alex. They all had a rapport with their players but also had respect and if people or the team played badly they sure as hell knew about it. Obviously Jose went OTT with it but think there were a few comments by Ole that came across as far too happy clappy everything is roses after our pathetic games that closed the season. Initially when we first started the slump he came across as having a ruthless streak saying not all of these players will still be here next season. Yes I know that is mostly still out of his hands but he still used the worst performers and came across as favourites.
    I would far rather he came out following an abject performance, which I'd like to hope we wont be seeing many of, and say it isnt good enough and where we were poor, show you know what went wrong. Drop the worst performers in the next game. If he comes out with weak responses and coming across as we played well etc when we clearly haven't I think that will annoy me more than anything, because it will just seem accepting of the situation and continued bad performances are not good enough, unfortunately the mentality of the players doesn't help but then look at the Liverpool and City players and to a certain extent the Tottenham ones
    Ole is coming across as being very good at saying the right things but not necessarily following through with them, which could contribute as much to him losing the dressing room as Jose and his harsh comments did. If I'm "Rashy" and I can continue to put in poor performances without fear of getting dropped and on my fresh new contract, what incentive do I have to pull my finger out and look at where I can improve? I'm not saying Rashford puts in little effort I'm just using him as an example as towards the end of the season when he was clearly struggling, possibly even carrying an injury he came across very much as one of Ole's lads as he wasn't dropped despite Ole saying everyone was playing for their future.
    Also I think it would completely be the wrong thing to do to give Pogba the captaincy at this stage. He is one of the first to go missing and put in an abject performance, also what will the other players think if they see their captain strolling around the pitch? He doesn't come across as someone to rally the players and lead by example and if Ole does make him captain just to keep him I think again it will add to him coming across as a bit weak
    His body language in the last few games began to concern me also, it may just be his management style but I'm sure it wasnt for his first few games with us- was him staying sitting in his seat while we put in those pathetic performances. Obviously I could only see what the tv cameras showed us but it started to fuel the almost Moyes like image of looking lost and not entirely sure what he needs to do to sort it out. Dont get me wrong if I was manager and they performed like that I'd want to put my head in my hands in despair, however I am not and never will be the manager, he is and it's his job to try and fix it. Also what will the players think if they are strolling round the pitch and see him just sitting there?

    Dont get me wrong I would absolutely love him to succeed and put some of the ethics from his time at United into the players and these are probably just tiny things in the grand scheme of things they are just concerns I'd like to see him smash to pieces. Even if he doesn't succeed he will remain very highly regarded by the club and fans in my opinion
  12. Jul 16, 2019

    Shamana Full Member

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    I think OGS is pretty steely. You dont make it as a striker if your not. I think if he was backed by the board he would ship off half our players.
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    Lukaku is more of a "fox in the box" archetype than a creator/playmaker. He's not the kind of player who is going to pick the ball up and beat his man one on one to create a shooting chance. I think what people are referring to is more of an Aguero/Griezmann type forward who has the technical ability to create chances out of nothing, rather than needing to be fed them.
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    Shamana Full Member

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    I dont think being rough often works all that much. Lvg and mourinho were just cnuts.
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    So what have we learn so far this pre season about Solskjær’s tactics.

    4-2-3-1 in the first game against presumed weaker opponent. High pressing, high backline, intense collective press from the front first 5-10 seconds after ball loss. Similar to how we started in December.

    With ball: Early attack direct through the lines when possible, secondary option fast passing to get to open space and attack, third option possesion with slow build from the back.

    Different halves: 1st half - wide attacking, cut to the line with James and Chong/Dalot. 2nd half - quick combination play through center using Mata, Gomes, Pogba, Rashfords skills. Shaw/Bissaka coming high for possesion play.

    This to me seemed to be the intentions in our play. The high press and high full backs we saw in december already, and also the attempts at fast passing that we couldn’t sustain at the time due to lack of off the ball movement.

    It’s going to be interesting to see if we play similarly against Damned United, or if we take some tactical measures design to meet the Challenges specific to Bielsaball.
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    United Hobbit Full Member

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    I've just been listening to a podcast at work, not really got into them before but I'm on my own this week so need entertainment, my goodness I'm nodding along like one of those stupid nodding dogs to every word the guy is saying, they are basically saying what a lot of people on here have said about the importance of getting a DOF (where is this by the way I thought we were getting one, haha :houllier:) and also saying how in Sir Alex's time if a player left there were so many other good players who could cover there was less reliance on one player, he said in recent times it's almost like we have been buying puzzle pieces without knowing the end picture, his teams had identity etc and also while football clubs are also businesses nowadays we seem to be focusing too much on the business part but if you focus on the football and win things it will take care of the business side.
  17. Jul 16, 2019

    He'sRaldo New Member

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    Sounds about right. The notable thing to me was that there seemed to be no positional play to our possession, which contributed quite a lot to the poor off the ball movement.

    Hope we work on that soon, as we'll be facing quite a few buses and the youngsters won't be able to use pure skill to beat them consistently.
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  18. Jul 17, 2019

    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    Tactics look sharp.
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    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    Top performance, just hope him and Woody don't use this an excuse to not further strengthen the squad.
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    Tom Cato Full Member

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    Defense was shaky at times. Rojo lost his man in the 1st half when Leeds got a point blank shot. He better be last man on the pecking order for our CBs until he's sold.

    I don't expect the lads go to full tilt and maximum effort in a pre-season game at all, but losing your man badly is always a nono
  21. Jul 17, 2019

    MikeKing Full Member

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    Very entertaining too, and it really compliment most of our players. Finally looks like a modern and offensive style of football is being implemented throughout the club. We've seen similar football in the u18 setup I feel, a couple of years back. Same players who played then gets to play a lot in preseason, this is very exiting. Ole and McKenna seems to be a good duo!
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    Xaviesta Full Member

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    Thought Manchester United looked good with the ball. Sure it's only pre-season but you'd rather play well in pre-season than play poorly in pre-season.
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    SER19 Full Member

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    Gomes and Greenwood are 2 of the most exciting prospects in years.

    Add in rashford, wan bissaka, Shaw, mctominay, martial(and the young boy lingard) plus potentially garner and chong, and I'm glad it's solskjaer overseeing them this year.

    I can fully see Greenwood forcing his way in this season and Gomes the season after.
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    starman Full Member

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    He looks a lot more refreshed. At the end of last season he was starting to looklike a old granny
  25. Jul 19, 2019

    Isotope Full Member

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    Still feel one decent winger away to be a proper team.
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    DatIrishFella Band of Brothers, Thief

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    If he sets us up like this for the season, albeit it would be tough, ill be delighted. So fun to watch.
  27. Jul 21, 2019

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    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    I'd fear for JLings and Beans' security if Keane joined the backroom staff. Poor youngsters wouldn't know what hit them.
  29. Jul 21, 2019

    targetman New Member

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    Strange question perhaps, but does anyone know what Ole wrote about for his UEFA Pro Licence thesis?
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    I believe it was called "Cultures of Resistance and Compliance: Football Fandom and Political Engagement in Manchester"
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    VJ1762 Full Member

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    While I still think we should have gone for Pochettino, I was glad that even after we changed the whole team after 60 against Inter, the team looked like they knew what they were doing. Too often after Fergie, our players looked out of ideas in games and looked like they just met each other. I hope Ed backs the manager with a quality CB and CM this summer. A club with United's resources spending just 60 odd million this summer is unacceptable.
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    criticalanalysis Full Member

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    Yes. It's still a bit disorganised in terms of the patterns of play and pressing but at least we are trying patterns and pressing! The game against Spurs will be a good indicator of where we are.

    I hope we don't concede possession and smother them in open play like we have trying to play the last few games. Stick to the philosophy Ole.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...hind-manchester-uniteds-gruelling-pre-season/

    It's not just running for the sake of it, from the same article.
  35. Jul 22, 2019

    Eddy_JukeZ Full Member

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    Yeah our pressing has been much better. It's a collective press too which makes me happy to see.

    I just hope we continue this and don't sit back vs the top teams when we play them.
  36. Jul 22, 2019

    Santoryo ripping the reward

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    My advice to Ole would be to NOT listen to any of these past United players who think they know better. Most of them have been failures whenever they tried their stint at managing(Neville, Roy Keane etc) and are only big mouths in the media.
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    While I do love how we’ve tried to play, and that we’re seeing so much of the youngsters (even if I expect to see less of them as the season approaches, naturally), this has been the most encouraging sight so far: Hardly ever have I seen a team change 6:7 players simultaneously and look as cohesive afterwards. Probably in Pep’s Barcelona, but it’s just not what I expect. It points towards clear ideas of how to play, implemented in the collective. We saw that kind of organisation with Van Gaal, for about a third of the pitch, and at the cost of any sort of attacking creativity and spark. Saturday, we saw it over at least two thirds of the pitch, and with much more expressivity from the players. They looked like having fun doing what they were told! For a while now at United, it’s always seemed like it had to be one or the other.
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    I read today that James Tucker in the Telegraph claimed that the atmosphere at United has been superb despite the intense training-regime they have been put through. Shaw, McTominay and Rashford in interviews all saying their fitness is a lot better than last season.

    Not exactly what Mark Ogden claimed 2 weeks ago when he said that there were a lot of complaining about OGS.
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    westmeath Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Is it credible that preseason fitness wasn’t as good under Mourinho? I find it hard to swallow, Mourinho was experienced enough to at least get that bit right.
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    That is all well and good. A run of poor results in the league quickly changes that though.

    I think the first 10 league games will be crucial for Ole.