Yeah, it feels that way now. I'm not sure how this is all going to be sorted out and who is going to sort it. Selecting Axel as captain over Pogba or even jones was surprising.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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There was Jones mouthing off in the stands at the weekend. Looking like the players mood has turned towards Ole or something is going to give either way.
I believe Ole said in general that players should be replaced. That's ok. But then again this was in the beginning of the Summer. Later he, again for me, made the decision that our attack was good enough. All the signs show it. We were after Dybala at the end of the window. I wouldn't call him a CF and most likely he would've been signed for playing as a #10 considering he opted for 4-2-3-1 since the beginning of the season.
Look I have no problems with him not acting in a twattish way. Where we disagree is that you believe he definitely wanted a CF and the board got in the way. To me - all things considered he made the decision that our attack was good enough as it is.
well I wouldn't go that far.Pogba will be gone in summer, no doubt in my mind. It's fine though because if Ole is still here we will probably buy Longstaff to replace him!
Everything at United points to a lack of football strategy and it is being done in hope rather than expectation. Ole says he wants to play a pressing game but the players most suited to that are among our worst, he sold our only 20 goal a season striker and replaced him with a couple of young players who have never scored more than 15 individually and he has centered his rebuild around a player who wants out who is also inconsistent as feck. It doesn't look like the management team sat down and really though out the plans for the season.
This will actually happen
We were averaging one shot a half under LVG for long periods and the games were unwatchable.
Given up on Ole?
I was always a person for whom result is on first, second and third place when United and NT are playing. I didn't care how but i cared only for the win( that explains my love for Jose right
?). Now, i just want to see that what you said. Something on which i can be proud. "Look at my team how we play nicely and with passion." If that means few years in EL, doesn't matter. I want to enjoy again while i watch our games. Because now i don't.I didn't say he wanted CF, I said he wanted replacement for Lukaku and I believe it as manager himself said it twice in 2 interviews. Ole didn't say in general, he was asked about Pogba and Lukaku, he answered to the specific question. Later he was asked about Lukaku when he gave interview to Norweign paper.
Yeah, losing hope on him. Always said he has right ideas but whether he can implement them is something we have to wait and see. Seeing how things are going, I'm not seeing any reason to be optimistic. Getting what the manager wants from players is the toughest task and at least for now Ole is failing. At this point, I have just blind faith that he can turn it around.
Of course, makes sense. What a mess.
We shouldn't be in a position where we have to pick 1. No big clubs do that apart from Italian clubs. We always had flying wingers, attacking mode on but played pragmatic football in very few games. We are a big club and should act as one.I was always a person for whom result is on first, second and third place when United and NT are playing. I didn't care how but i cared only for the win( that explains my love for Jose right
Agree with your point, we need team to play good football and with passion.
I'm afraid I'm on the same page. But what to do, appoint another interim manager. Im not sure Ed will do the right thing whatever that is.
We won't need longstaff ... Brandon Williams will be ready to replace Pogba
Ps. Nothing against Williams there before anyone leaps on me. I actually thought he played well and looked pretty good under the circumstances.
He also said you’d be surprised at the calibre or players that want to play here. He also said he wanted to build a team around Pogba. He also said I’m going to be successful here.
He says a lot but does the opposite. He’s worse than Moyes in my eyes. But he proved that at Cardiff.
Yeah, Ed going right thing is just fantasy at this point.
Not sure about interim managers too, we are too reactive. We should be talking to managers at this point, to take over next summer if they can't commit now.
Axel grew up in Rochdale, it was a nice touch to let him be captain. This was a runout for Pogba and mainly letting younger players get a chance. Not surprised the young players got to take the pens and they all scored. They need to get that experience.
Yeah saying that and what I posted both are same.How have we all missed this. Woodward has played a blinder. Get Ole in for a year, work on a long term plan of recruiting young hungry players that fit into the 'Utd way' then get the new manager in who has the same philospy of playing and move Ole to DOF.
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Ole said that wasnt the reason Axel was caption though.
Think they stopped thinking when they appointed Ole full-time. It must have been giving them a headache. If they had waited until summer they would have had to continue thinking. They went against every statement they put out there. One day this club will once again get something right, but it will not be while Ed Woodward is in charge.
You said he said it politely so he clearly had a plan for a striker. I responded by saying he says a lot but nothing ever comes to fruition with Ole.
Evidence in the summer showed that our replacement for Lukaku was Dybala and Mandzukic. So just to speak on factual evidence. Was that good planning?
Played football for my NT under 18s, and yes "lack of coaching" is an issue. And Ole is ultimately resposible. By the way, the main motivation a footballer gets is when he tries to do things and it works. They can treat each game as a battle, however, if they are not given certain instructions, they are likely to lose many many battles. Football is extremely tactical these days, and we lack severely in that department.
These mans think it’s SE Dons level and you can just tell players to go out and do their ting.
Probably it was because Axel was from Rochdale growing up and its just a way to keep him happy while he sits and waits for the chelsea game.
Very good post with some perspective! Refreshing!
It's so logical but when it comes to United there no logic. Maybe Allegri?
Guys you don’t get it. If we win (happens not too often now), Ole is genius. If we play shit like we always do, it’s the players. That’s how it works for our deluded fanbase. Only our fans can make banners and chants for managers that have won nothing and in some cases even before their first match All of this is only because we had 1 guy throughout our entire history where patience paid off (completely ignoring the fact that he has achieved way more at Aberdeen than Ole ever did). Then you get stupid desperate comparisons with Klopp, another manager in a completely different universe compared to Ole .
We have clearly managed to find a manager worse than Moyes, I thought it was impossible but here we are. He is so much out of his depth here that it’s sad. But apparently he deserves more time and money to rebuild the team because these 6 months or so where we are quite literally on relegation form doesn’t count, it’s part of some masterclass from Ole to make us great again
All of this is only because we had 1 guy throughout our entire history where patience paid off (completely ignoring the fact that he has achieved way more at Aberdeen than Ole ever did). Then you get stupid desperate comparisons with Klopp, another manager in a completely different universe compared to Ole . We have clearly managed to find a manager worse than Moyes, I thought it was impossible but here we are. He is so much out of his depth here that it’s sad. But apparently he deserves more time and money to rebuild the team because these 6 months or so where we are quite literally on relegation form doesn’t count, it’s part of some masterclass from Ole to make us great again
Did you watch the game last night? (Not meant in a patronising way). What did you think? We were let down by our more senior players. Pogba was a bit rusty and missed a couple of free headers. He just needs match fitness hence why he was playing.
Rojo offered nothing at left back, didnt cross or overlap - except was seen wildly shooting from 40 yards several times. Lingard was anonymous. Fred is embarrassing, playing simple passes to the wings into touch etc. Experienced but not too good.
I think our problems are multiple. We are quite predictable to play against - we lack creativity in the final third and our wingers cut inside, so in defending against us you just force them wide and have us move the ball around in front of you all day without getting anywhere. Teams don't attack us because they know we want to counter. And i don't see the personnel to really get out of that in the squad at the moment.
I think we have a solid back 6 building, unfortunately i think they come under a lot of pressure because out ball retention and passing range in midfield isn't the best. We almost seem to try and bypass any build up play with the quick balls over the top. As soon as a team gets two banks of 4 and we need to do any pass and move in the final third we don't. Its like subuteo soccer. We are going the right way - modern football is playing 3 forwards rather than ‘strikers and wingers’.
I think Ole deserves the chance to get a couple more players in. I’m not yet completely sold and i think he was tactically naive against west ham, by not playing a different tactic or formation to mitigate our lack of wide players. But i don't think sacking him solves anything.
Out of interest, if you think he should go, who would you replace him with and what can they do to get this squad of players firing?
No, I said he wanted replacement, not that he had a plan for striker. I dont know which player he wanted but it's just foolish to assume everything is reported by the media.
Not even sure what's the point of all this. Ole himself said twice that he wanted striker but we have to ignore that because media didnt link us with players.
Anyways good day. So bored of this.
Hopefully not. It won't be long before people will turn against him. Appointing him will make sure that we haven't learnt anything from out past mistakes.
That would be the only sensible solution right now so you can bet we won't even approach him.
You are right and its heartbreaking and infuriating to see the same errors being repeated whilst the one messing up being given the latitude to resist making any change. When we sacked Jose, they sold the lie that a TD would be in place before the next manager is appointed meaning that the Glazers and Woodward know that our processes are flawed then Ole had a dream start and they just saw that start as an opportunity to take another short cut and avoid uncomfortable changes. As soon as Ole was appointed, no DOF worth his salt would have come in because the biggest football decision that he can contribute had been made. Now that the evidence of poor planning and a flawed process is bare they are hiding behind a huge rebuild. No United aren't rebuilding we are just shit, Chelsea is a club that can say they are rebuilding because despite the results you can see what they are trying to achieve on the pitch and point out exactly where they need to improve on to be a genuine challenger. We are just floating without a plan on the pitch and in the boardroom.
His only qualities are that he speaks well in press conferences and that he is a club legend. And that pretty much sums up our standards these days.
He's been here for like 10 months already and we're yet to see any improvement in our gameplay or players.
I understand that it's not an easy job for any manager and I am prepared to be patient even when results don't go our way, but do I expect to see at least some signs of improvement. Some patterns in our attacking play, some solid positioning when we defend, players gelling together and showing improved understanding of our system and teammates.
But not only that we show no signs of improvement, we're getting worse every week. Put on a random caftard in charge with Phelan as an assistant and we will likely see the same thing. Except for the fact that random_caftard123 would actually make some subs before the 82th minute.
He's been here for like 10 months already and we're yet to see any improvement in our gameplay or players.
I understand that it's not an easy job for any manager and I am prepared to be patient even when results don't go our way, but do I expect to see at least some signs of improvement. Some patterns in our attacking play, some solid positioning when we defend, players gelling together and showing improved understanding of our system and teammates.
But not only that we show no signs of improvement, we're getting worse every week. Put on a random caftard in charge with Phelan as an assistant and we will likely see the same thing. Except for the fact that random_caftard123 would actually make some subs before the 82th minute.
To me Ole seems to be very close to where Mourinho got to half the way through his time at United: He no longer trusts the players in that dressing room, they know it too and both sides are now in a cold war waiting to see who Woodward will side with.
Its obvious. Keano's right, when you look at Ole, you look at his eyes, you can tell he's fuming.
I actually get the feeling that he hates some of these players as much as Jose did. However, he's far less open and aggressive about it than Mourinho.
I think if Ole gets to stay he will do everything he can to replace pretty much every member of the squad.
Its obvious. Keano's right, when you look at Ole, you look at his eyes, you can tell he's fuming.
I actually get the feeling that he hates some of these players as much as Jose did. However, he's far less open and aggressive about it than Mourinho.
I think if Ole gets to stay he will do everything he can to replace pretty much every member of the squad.
Why do you think so? It seems we have the most forgiving fans in the world when it comes to managers, even now there are still some defending the non-manager in charge. Surely everyone understands the importance of reaching Top 4 this season, and if there's one manager available who can achieve that it's Allegri.
Why would anyone want Allegri? The guy coasted on having the best talent in Italy, and he's another defensive manager. We already saw him with a club in a similar position to us (Milan), and he was their Moyes according to some Milan fans. United's problem has been getting the side to play attractive football, and a defensive pragmatic manager isn't going to cut it. Get a more progressive manager.
Some of these songs have backfired spectacularly, sadly. Come on feel the Moyes. Jose's playing the way United should, something tells me I'm into something good. Ole at the wheel, tell me how good does it feel.Only our fans can make banners and chants for managers that have won nothing and in some cases even before their first match
Moyes the most dour man alive, his skin dryer than the Atacama desert will suck you dry, nothing to feel there. Jose's football was dreadful. I like the Ole one but was sung far too much too soon (might've even got the players backs up a bit) and now looks like he's steering a bus on bricks or on a ship without a rudder with the hull leaking in.
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