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Ole Sack Watch
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That's right, you are Ole Solsjkaer.
I agree whole heartedly about the owners, it’s quite clear they don’t give a fig about the on pitch issues - but I’d take issue with the bit about Ole being stubborn. Maybe he genuinely believes he can turn this around? Maybe he thinks he is acting in the best interests of the club in keeping stability and continuity. We don’t know because he is a private guy and keeps the media at arms length with cliches and platitudes. He certainly isn’t a quitter, and he isn’t going to give up. If he is to move on then it I’ll have to come from the club.
How does it expose him as a person? If anything it expose his inability to manage the team.
It matters because whether we like it or not in sport decision makers are influenced by optics and how their clients react to events be it sponsors or fans. Sky Sports are arguably the largest platform in the game, they shape part of the narrative and how people feel about certain things, Neville plays an important role in how narratives are shaped on Sky which has an influence on consumers actions and reactions. And before someone try to make that point, no Neville isn't the only one and no Neville isn't the one taking the ultimate decision, he is just a dishonest cog in the media's machinery.
If they have any sense, they’re currently parked up in the analysis room or somewhere similarly visible at Carrington and not associating themselves with this preposterous ‘holiday’ charade.
I am still genuinely shellshocked Solskjaer has made this decision of his own volition. And if somebody else suggested it to him, that person should be fired by cannon straight into the Irwell and Solskjaer immediately afterwards for listening to them.
Astonishing stuff.
They deserve zero support. Why waste the time? They’re not trying so why should we?
5) He plays the United way, United DNA
I agree. Someone asked the other day if United are making people depressed?
for me it’s the totally toxic stuff that fans post on social media that makes me depressed
Well there’s a dissonance between the two. A public statement, and the way he operates his own businesses.
He’s clearly got something in his head about not wanting to publicly say a manager should lose his job. Perhaps something to do with his failure at Valencia? It is what it is, not sure why so many people need to hear him call for Ole’s head. I couldn’t care less what he thinks.
When was that podcast? He hasn’t had a podcast today.
Logic still dictates that he goes.
I don't think there's any serious football person that can sincerely argue for him remaining in post. Even Rio, one of his biggest supporters and former teammate, thinks he should go.
As much as the Glazers and Woodward are (deservedly) derided on here, they're not completely thick. They know Ole isn't going to succeed and that we need a new manager. The *only* thing that could possibly be holding this situation up is their complete cluelessness of who to replace him with. They probably don't want to just appoint anyone with a decent CV, they will want to think hard about it and want a new manager to be compatible with Fletcher/Murtough and the existing squad of players etc. I'm not necessarily wholeheartedly endorsing their approach, just setting out what I think is happening behind the scenes.
If you're an executive making these decisions, you are weighing up a number of factors. They probably want to identify a replacement and line him up for the job before sacking Ole. Because I reckon otherwise they fear being in a period of limbo where they are scrambling around for a new manager (like Tottenham last season/Summer). That type of limbo brings *a lot * of heat on executives and they really want to avoid that at all costs.
Tldr; They won't sack Ole until they have identified an attainable replacement.
I don't think there's any serious football person that can sincerely argue for him remaining in post. Even Rio, one of his biggest supporters and former teammate, thinks he should go.
As much as the Glazers and Woodward are (deservedly) derided on here, they're not completely thick. They know Ole isn't going to succeed and that we need a new manager. The *only* thing that could possibly be holding this situation up is their complete cluelessness of who to replace him with. They probably don't want to just appoint anyone with a decent CV, they will want to think hard about it and want a new manager to be compatible with Fletcher/Murtough and the existing squad of players etc. I'm not necessarily wholeheartedly endorsing their approach, just setting out what I think is happening behind the scenes.
If you're an executive making these decisions, you are weighing up a number of factors. They probably want to identify a replacement and line him up for the job before sacking Ole. Because I reckon otherwise they fear being in a period of limbo where they are scrambling around for a new manager (like Tottenham last season/Summer). That type of limbo brings *a lot * of heat on executives and they really want to avoid that at all costs.
Tldr; They won't sack Ole until they have identified an attainable replacement.
Not bowing to someones insistence you say something that will gratify a number of people who in turn will get a great amound of schedenfreude out of hearing you say said thing is more than a little understandable.
In the end, Gary Neville is not a journalist, he's a pundit who can have any opinion he wants. Graeme Souness is allowed to go on TV and shit all over Pogba for even existing. Its opinions.
Maybe its time for people to consider the way they speak in open forum if they want to have a cordial conversation.
Exactly. I love this club, have done all my life and that's why this hurts to see. But if they're clearly just back slapping and giving jobs for the boys, what exactly is there to support anymore? We're going nowhere, the club doesn't care and is apparently refusing to even bother looking at what can be done. It's just the lowest point in my life supporting United. I'm ready to tap out for a bit for the good of my health.
It's on the twitter page for the Here We Go podcast.
Because he’s talked a whole load of nonsense for 3 years. Pretty much used buzzwords to pull the heartstring of United fans but in reality has put none of his words into action.
If I was I wouldn't be slumming it here.
He is definitely a good man manager. If he is not and has no tactics then he would have not finished 3rd and 2nd in the league or reached so many semi finals. And if it‘s just because our squad was too good, then why is it not good this season anymore regardless of the manager?
What is happening currently is what happens with every manager including top managers apart from very few like SAF whose methods worked year after year.
Poch had a really bad last season at Spurs. Tuchel got bad results in his last few months at PSG. Things which were working previously for them didn‘t work anymore. That doesn’t mean that all of a sudden they turned into rubbish tacticians or coaches, but that their time was up.
Same way Ole has not turned into a rubbish manager. Just that things which worked for him aren‘t working anymore because he can‘t take this squad any further. Now a point has been reached where it hardly matters who we play, most of the time it‘s just not going to work until this cycle is over and a change has been made.
Get a grip. Dissapointment is one thing, being dumb is another.
Also ole gets credit for removing the toxicity caused by Mourinho. Has it not occurred to people that as soon as Mourinho left the toxicity would have gone, players would have been relieved and eager for the change. It’s not as if they’d keep whatever hatred they had for Mourinho to the next manager.
You don't need to anyway.
I'm changing my vote to 'No - Give him more time' in the hope that it might work as a jinx and they sack him.
A massive boycott is required if the fans really want change. We heard Rio even come out the other day and call a spade a spade. The fans need to act now and fast.
I'm actually done with all this shit for now. I can't believe how fecking stupid the club are when it comes to football - they may be good at making/keeping their money but not on the point of the club
I can't believe Ole is still here and has almost no pressure on his job
I can't believe Ole is still here and has almost no pressure on his job
True, I could be somewhere where people are friendly to each other.
No one says he should not have an opinion. But as a pundit, it is expected of him to have an informed opinion (that's what makes pundit a good pundit), not a biased one.
Further to this, having an opinion means nothing if you're not prepared to change your views when presented with concrete evidence that your opinion is on the wrong side (Instead if you just dig in, that shows stubbornness, an element that will not allow you to argue in good faith).
I'm just guessing since I don't know Gary, but its not wholly unreasonable to say that maybe he is taking this stance because he's seen people also not argue in good faith.
We are friendly
He's going nowhere looking at the fixture list! Could say all winnable games bar Chelsea away and the Board wont do it. November Watford A Villareal A Chelsea A, December Arsenal H Crystal Palace H Young Boys H Norwich A Brentford A Brighton H Newcastle A Burnley H, January Wolves H then two week break...
Yes I believe he genuinely thinks he can turn it around but that also points to delusion. In these 3 years, his coaching hasn't demonstrated a clear style of play and continuous improvement. Results were achieved through good runs here and there which weren't always down to good performances. If he sees his team from a 3rd person point of view, he will see that there is clear lack of coaching ability in him & his staff and it has in fact gone downhill. But he is refusing to do so. Players look lost on pitch. In such case, he should recognise things aren't working and should walk with mutual consent.
The perfect time to bring a new coach in who can implement ideas and build a bit of confidence...
Okay. But it’s not a resent tweet like the account that tweet it and his podcast was yesterday as I said.
Not an easy fixture list at all. We'll be in a mess.
The club followed Rio last time when he told them to get the contract out and put it on the table. Let’s hope they listen to him again.
The next three games I see being the same as the last three, beat Watford, draw Villarreal, loss Chelsea. Apparantly this is acceptable now.
For those wanting Solskjaer sacked, how many defeats would you be willing to stomach in order to do so? Would you be happy to cheer the opposing team for the next 5 matches, for example, for the ‘greater good‘ of removing the manager? Or would 10 consecutive defeats, perhaps, be the price you’re willing to pay if it means that would bring a new manager in?
We'll win 6 or 7 even with Ole and we'll hear Ole's at the wheel belting out again at Old Trafford.
If Ole survives this break, he'll still be here next season. The distraction techniques are easy come summer for the club, it'll all be about how we're signing this player or that player and all the sheep will lap it up as though it will make a difference. We'll be back in this situation come next season.
The problem is, we have no notion that any amount of losses will force the boards hand. It's inconceivable he is in a job now!
He's clearly not going anywhere is he? (Apart from on holiday)
The club is absolutely pathetic from top to bottom, and is clearly OK with being the laughing stock of English football currently. Seriously, what does he actually have to do to get the sack?
We could face the good players we've managed to assemble leaving, causing us to descend even further into mediocrity.
The club is absolutely pathetic from top to bottom, and is clearly OK with being the laughing stock of English football currently. Seriously, what does he actually have to do to get the sack?
We could face the good players we've managed to assemble leaving, causing us to descend even further into mediocrity.
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