Out - Fellaini, Herrera, Lukaku & Sanchez; In - Daniel James

[Kush]

This was our activity over last two windows in midfield and attack.

I'm all for giving youth a chance but how on earth is this type of window sustainable? How can we expect a manager to deliver a Top 4 finish with such a thin squad while playing in Europa League?

Maybe, we ought to ring Fernando fecking Llorente sometime tomorrow morning.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Sanchez has left has he?

 

[Sanchez7]

As if he didn’t have a hard enough job, the board has pretty much made Ole’s task impossible with the disgraceful transfer window.

 

[settembrini]

You aren't 'all for giving a youth chance' because we are getting rid of these players to create space for guys like Greenwood, Gomes, Chong and Garner and it's upset you. Plus Pereira and McTominay who are already benefiting from us cutting Herrera and Fellaini just as Solskjaer said they would. It's a brave call from the manager but I think it's the right one.

And signing Lorente? Good grief. What a terrible idea that would be.

 

[Renegade]

This was our activity over last two windows in midfield and attack.

I'm all for giving youth a chance but how on earth is this type of window sustainable? How can we expect a manager to deliver a Top 4 finish with such a thin squad while playing in Europa League?

Maybe, we ought to ring Fernando fecking Llorente sometime tomorrow morning.

He’ll be a United player very soon.

 

[Robbie Boy]

This has serious potential.

 

[Deery]

Sanchez has left has he?

10 month loan move to Inter no option to buy

 

[Renegade]

He’ll be a United player very soon.

I reckon we’ll see a Mata Lingard Llorente forward line some point this season.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Martial, Rashford, James, Chong, Gomes and Greenwood can all play in the positions Sanchez would. He was messing up our wage structure and he didn't even perform for a single game. Lukaku is the bigger loss (pun intended)

 

[SungSam7]

Why oh why have we decided to let him leave without making any replacement for him. I understand we have Gomes and Greenwood coming in but we need somewhat of an established player to keep the team ticking. We seem to have lost Martial, what happens if we lose Rashford? Do we really expect the club to rest its expectations on the shoulders of two teenagers?
When SAF was in charge, we had at times 4 near world class players fighting for 2 spots, now we haven't even got 1!

 

[Wumminator]

“Ole said all these players would be gone after the Everton game, but they’re still here.”

All summer long. Dan James has potentially given me more memories then all of those players bar Fellaini in the last few years.

 

[Spaghetti]

I reckon we’ll see a Mata Lingard Llorente forward line some point this season.

Away at Anfield. 0-3.

 

[M Bison]

Apart from Ander (and even that’s debatable), not one of those players have done enough. We’re no worse off without them.

Glad to see the back of all them - clearing the decks of overpaid, underperforming wasters.

 

[M Bison]

“Ole said all these players would be gone after the Everton game, but they’re still here.”

All summer long. Dan James has potentially given me more memories then all of those players bar Fellaini in the last few years.

Good point

 

[Kush]

You aren't 'all for giving a youth chance' because we are getting rid of these players to create space for guys like Greenwood, Gomes, Chong and Garner and it's upset you. Plus Pereira and McTominay who are already benefiting from us cutting Herrera and Fellaini just as Solskjaer said they would.

Solskjaer is making a brave call but I think it's the right one.

And signing Lorente? Good grief. What a terrible idea that would be.

Seriously, that's your takeaway from all this? There has to be some semblance of experience and youth, otherwise they would all fade away if you place too much expectation too early. Our fabled CO92 weren't thrown into the team all at once, they all got their break one by one and they were surrounded by experience winners around them. So even if they didn't perform, they could be taken our of firing line.

What options does Ole have with such a thin squad? He'd have no option but to play kids.

 

[RonaldoVII]

Nobody is doubting the players that have gone but to not get new players in is shocking management.

 

[Bojan11]

People like Gary Neville think we asking for big rebuilds. But when you let two midfielders and two attackers go you expect more than a winger from the championship to replace them.

 

[Sanchez7]

The strategy of bringing in youth only works when you have an established first team squad and the youngsters can be slowly integrated into it. What do you think the huge expectations will do to the confidence of these young players if they fail to deliver? On top of that we have the habit of over hyping our young talent. Remember when Januzaj was given 11 shirt after two goals versus Sunderland??

Shambolic management.

 

[Catt]

He’ll be a United player very soon.

Where is that from?

 

[0le]

Seriously, that's your takeaway from all this? There has to be some semblance of experience and youth, otherwise they would all fade away if you place too much expectation too early. Our fabled CO92 weren't thrown into the team all at once, they all got their break one by one and they were surrounded by experience winners around them. So even if they didn't perform, they could be taken our of firing line.

What options does Ole have with such a thin squad? He'd have no option but to play kids.

And what experience does Lukaku offer? The guy was unprofessional for a year. What experience does Sanchez offer, he has been useless for 18 months. We need experience yes, but that was also one reason to buy Maguire - he offers some leadership.

 

[el3mel]

It's Ok. We have 7 defenders. Time to test them in midfield and attack.

 

[Kush]

Apart from Ander (and even that’s debatable), not one of those players have done enough. We’re no worse off without them.

Glad to see the back of all them - clearing the decks of overpaid, underperforming wasters.

Wow, talk about having head in the sand.

Lukaku an 'overpaid, underperforming waster' got 42 goals for us in 2 season. That's an average of 21 goals, who'll score his goals? That's without accounting for goals Herrera and Fellaini would chip in from midfield, ~around 10 every season. Sanchez was a total waste, but with our squad so unbelievably thin we needed him to go through matches in Europa league. What's the point in saving 40% of his wages when that player isn't even guaranteed to leave next summer?

And what experience does Lukaku offer? The guy was unprofessional for a year. What experience does Sanchez offer, he has been useless for 18 months. We need experience yes, but that was also one reason to buy Maguire - he offers some leadership.

Experience that Lukaku offers is 20+ goals every season. You can't expect kids to be thrown into deep end and expect them to perform, you just need to see Greenwood performance vs Palace to get my point. With regards to Sanchez, he was an option despite being utterly useless in last 18 months. In case you forgot, we have 2 cups in England and Europa League to contend with besides PL.

 

[0le]

Wow, talk about having head in the sand.

Lukaku an 'overpaid, underperforming waster' got 42 goals for us in 2 season. That's an average of 21 goals, who'll score his goals? That's without accounting for goals Herrera and Fellaini would chip in from midfield, ~around 10 every season. Sanchez was a total waste, but with out squad so unbelievably thing we needed him to go through matches in Europa league.


Experience that Lukaku offers is 20+ goals every season. You can't expect kids to be thrown into deep end and expect them to perform, you just need to see Greenwood performance vs Palace to get my point. With regards to Sanchez, he was an option despite being utterly useless in last 18 months. In case you forgot, we have 2 cups in England and Europa League to contend with besides PL.

He isn't an option if he offers nothing. You then might as well just play a kid there. I take your point on Lukaku, but the expectation is that Martial and Rashford will step up, and maybe one of the youth players will contribute too.

 

[dev1l]

Who s next?
I think either Rojo or Darmian

 

[Stringer]

Yeah it’s really poor squad management by Woodward and co. I want to see youth given a chance but relying on so many unproven youngsters is going to cost us.

 

[Irwin99]

So....if the young players aren't quite ready and we get injuries then this could turn into a bit of a mess couldn't it?! It's very risky but you never know it might work, and also there's no guarantee Sanchez would have contributed anything to the season anyway given his awful form.

It will be interesting to see if the club make a move in January if things aren't going so well.

 

[Amadaeus]

Fred? We have an abundance of youth talent. We don’t have to consistently buy a midfield and attack because we have invested so much in our academy. Moreover, the players that left were not really priority players and could easily be replaced by these academy product. Only Herrera was a starter and Mctominay is not doing a terrible job replacing him. If Pogba had left, no doubt we would have gotten someone like Bruno to replace him since he was an important part of our team.

 

[Josep Dowling]

You aren't 'all for giving a youth chance' because we are getting rid of these players to create space for guys like Greenwood, Gomes, Chong and Garner and it's upset you. Plus Pereira and McTominay who are already benefiting from us cutting Herrera and Fellaini just as Solskjaer said they would. It's a brave call from the manager but I think it's the right one.

And signing Lorente? Good grief. What a terrible idea that would be.

Expecting 4 players to come from the youth system in the same positions is just terrible management. There is no way you can expect them to come in and get top 4.

Ferguson did it with world class players around them. We don’t have that situation.

 

[0le]

Expecting 4 players to come from the youth system in the same positions is just terrible management. There is no way you can expect them to come in and get top 4.

Ferguson did it with world class players around them. We don’t have that situation.

Good thing then we only have got rid of two attackers, one who contributed nothing and promoted three attackers (Gomes, Chong and Greenwood) and signed a fouth (James). Really then, out of four, we only need one to come good.

The midfield is a much greater concern.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Risky.

Shades of the 2015 summer window when Van Gaal pinned all his hopes on Rooney and Memphis scoring goals. It failed him.

 

[settembrini]

Seriously, that's your takeaway from all this? There has to be some semblance of experience and youth, otherwise they would all fade away if you place too much expectation too early. Our fabled CO92 weren't thrown into the team all at once, they all got their break one by one and they were surrounded by experience winners around them. So even if they didn't perform, they could be taken our of firing line.

What options does Ole have with such a thin squad? He'd have no option but to play kids.

We do have a mixture of experience and youth unless somehow Mata, Matic, Lingard, Fred, Pogba, Martial and Rashford don't count as experienced players? Rashford is the greenest of that list and he's 'only' got 173 appearances for United plus 32 England caps.

Alongside them we have McTominay, James and Pereira. All have at least 50 senior appearances, all have been capped by their country.

That's 10 players for the 6 midfield/forward positions in the team before we get to the actually inexperienced players (Greenwood, Gomes, Chong, Garner). Greenwood is so far the only one to even make the bench this season and if the squad was kept as bloated as it had been in previous seasons then we wouldn't have that either.

If you want United to have a giant squad of senior players like recent seasons that's fine, I can understand why you would be upset with the current squad. But it's pretty silly to claim you are 'all for giving youth a chance' when our manager is trying to create a situation where our best young players can actually make the bench and it's upset you.

 

[RG 11]

I reckon we’ll see a Mata Lingard Llorente forward line some point this season.

Would make playing FIFA with United team amazing.

 

[sincher]

Always good to get rid of players we don't want or who don't want to be here. Rojo and Darmian next please.

 

[Sylar]

I still think we need to add rojo darmian to that list
And then next year one of Jones and smalling + matic and young

It's risky of course and cos of Ed we will probably only sign three players at a time. But we badly needed to get rid of a lot of these players sanche included

 

[RG 11]

You aren't 'all for giving a youth chance' because we are getting rid of these players to create space for guys like Greenwood, Gomes, Chong and Garner and it's upset you. Plus Pereira and McTominay who are already benefiting from us cutting Herrera and Fellaini just as Solskjaer said they would. It's a brave call from the manager but I think it's the right one.

And signing Lorente? Good grief. What a terrible idea that would be.

You can't really win anything with kids if they aren't backed by a stable squad with the likes of Keane, Schmeichel, Cantona, Irwin etc

We have one short of world class player in Pogba, inconsistent but talented players in Rashford and Martial and a former world class but declining player in De Gea. This team lacks leadership and experience. Throwing kids deep into this with 6 years of mediocrity doesn't help anyone.

 

[RG 11]

As if he didn’t have a hard enough job, the board has pretty much made Ole’s task impossible with the disgraceful transfer window.

Agreed. Woody's incompetence has sold Ole down the river. With Shaw injured, we're back with Ashley young in the first team as well. You can't go very far with such averageness. Arsenal are much more stable and likely for the 4th spot at this point.

 

[In Rainbows]

You can't really win anything with kids if they aren't backed by a stable squad with the likes of Keane, Schmeichel, Cantona, Irwin etc

We have one short of world class player in Pogba, inconsistent but talented players in Rashford and Martial and a former world class but declining player in De Gea. This team lacks leadership and experience. Throwing kids deep into this with 6 years of mediocrity doesn't help anyone.

Sanchez isn't in Martial's category. Sanchez is part of Deadwood FC.

 

[El Jefe]

One more British player in the squad. What's the problem

 

[RG 11]

Sanchez isn't in Martial's category. Sanchez is part of Deadwood FC.

Ofcourse. I'm all for moving him out but we really needed some more experienced players in. Im fully behind the decision for getting rid of all the players.

Major issue is with incoming players.

 

[Kostur]

So Martial seems already out with some muscular injury, this is something I've already mentioned in the Shaw thread, we've got absolutely no idea how our lazy fecks are going to react to the foretold change in intensity in the game. Now let's fast forward to November/December, it's not really beyond realm of possibility that by that time somebody will already have been injured (from the attacking options) and we're running into x-mas period with games every 3 days or so, it's pretty much a decider then whether your season goes to shit or you can salvage something from it.

Sanchez has been nothing short of useless, make no mistake, but at the end of the day you can throw this fecker forward to give Martial/Rashford/James a rest for a game because we've got the numbers. If we'll be lacking attacking options we'll inevitably start throwing those, who are supposed to play in the midfield this season (Pereira/Pogba) to either #10 or wings and we'll come up short in the midfield, even purely numbers wise again, not even talking about quality here because good luck if you think that Fred will magically come good for some fecking reason or that Garner can play every three days or so. We could go into December with Matić, McTominay, Fred and Garner as our midfield options where games pile up and we could still be in three cup competitions. At this point you'll have to hope we're out of the league cup to spare us a game or two.

But hey, we've got the youth, right? Well the problem is that we might actually be overplaying them, for most of our youth players on whom we seem to pin our hopes on (Gomes, Garner, Chong and Greenwood) senior football will be something completely new given that they didn't have any loans even to Championship to get some experience. There might be too much pressure on them which will only have a reverse effect of what was initially intended. I'm not even talking about the obvious lack of quality here, again, purely numbers, experience, fatigue, mental stress.

It's genuinely staggering that we've somehow managed to find ourselves in such a situation. The scenario really isn't far fetched given our injuries record and all of that is not even putting Ole's credentials as a managers into a question.